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[MindYerBeak]

So which one is the toughest, a Cunning or a Dex Rogue?

My Leliana just before the Archdemon fight had the following stats:

Strength - 24
Dexterity - 44
Cunning - 53

Hit Rate - 77%
Damage Dealt: 101124
Greatest Damage dealt - 590

What are your stats for a Cunning/Dex Rogue?

Modifié par MindYerBeak, 03 juillet 2010 - 10:26 .

[beancounter501]

The only real stat that matters there is your hit rate. And 77% is bad. Not just bad, but really bad. All of my warrior builds are pushing 92 to 95 by level 15. That is a really BIG difference. Even worse that is the average which means you are hitting bosses even less. Who cares about some random darkspawn - you want to be killing the bosses! Your Leliana is basically deadwood in the party. Good for a mild buff through SoC, but other wise taking up space of character that could get in there and kill things.



Now who is toughest between cun or dex rogue? Dex obviously - cunning only really helps your damage. Probably better off going 22 to 30 cun, 20 str rest dex.

[MindYerBeak]

I'll try that on my next playthrough. The more you hit the more damage you should do.

[DWSmiley]

I think that's a little harsh, BC.  Leliana is in my parties to scout ahead, take care of locks and traps and buff with songs.  She can also debuff with shattering shot and suppressing fire.  Any beastie she happens to kill is just icing on the cake - thus her cry of excitement, "That's one for me!"

[MindYerBeak]

Leliana certainly wasn't deadwood. During the Archdemon fight there were only 2 of us left alive, one of which was Leliana. Without her in the party I'd have had a great deal of difficulty.

[MindYerBeak]

So are there any Dex Rogues who can show their DPS with which I can compare them both in order to stat my next Rogue?

[DWSmiley]

My last dex dw rogue ended up wih defense of exactly dex+100. So at dex 64 I was immune to normal attacks. No points in str but racial + Fade = 15, with gear boosts enough to wear the best light outfit - Felons, Cadash Stompers, Red Jenny Seekers and Honnleath Helm. That meant I was still able to get cunning almost to 50. A very deadly character. Even mid-game, at level 12, she took out a Brecilian revenant, mostly healthy, and a skeleton archer all on her own. She went through a lot of poultices but I'm no solo expert - no other character of mine could have done that.

[soteria]

My experience has been that Leliana always misses a lot, due to her awful initial stat allocation and role as a cunning archer. Only toward the end of the game does she improve, and not enough to change the stat sheet.



Dex is probably easier. I just find it more boring.

[MindYerBeak]

I'm running with a Rogue for my next playthrough. Leliana with a crit rate of 590 didn't do too badly, though I hope to spec my own Rogue differently. The Hit Rate may not have been at 100% but it's the damage dished out overall that really counts in the long run. I suppose eventually it boils down to Horses for Courses. You pays yer money and makes yer choice. Haven't decided yet whether to go Dex or Cunning.

[DWSmiley]

After many bard/ranger builds for Leli I'm switching to bard/duelist and ditto for my next pc rogue archer (cunning).  Song + Aim + pet is too draining and the +10 attack from dueling will be nice.  BTW, don't read too much into that greatest damage stat.  It just means she hit a whitie with 3-4 times the damage needed to kill it.

[beancounter501]

OK, saying she is deadwood may be a little harsh. But if you want to go the cunning route, then all of your gear should really focus on improving your attack rating. Give her the Harvest Festival Ring which improves her attack by 4. And like DWSmiley said above taking Duelist is a huge help. Combine the two would improve your attack rating 15 points. Enough to move from a poor attack rating to a solid attack rating. Those 15 points would improve your hit rating from 77 to the low 90s. Which is what you really want.



The best way to measure your characters performance is to write down the total damage numbers for every character at the start of a zone and then compare them at the end of the zone. Even though AoS may distort your actual damage.

[DWSmiley]

Another nice attack item I only recently discovered is the Armsman Tensioner helm, +6 attack.  Varathorn sells it for a mere 6 gp or so, after that main quest is done.

beancounter501 wrote...

The best way to measure your characters performance is to write down the total damage numbers for every character at the start of a zone and then compare them at the end of the zone. Even though AoS may distort your actual damage.

What that won't measure though is the value of disarming traps and opening locks, and maybe also the value of having a stealthed Leli sneak around the corner and see exactly what monster is standing where.

[Last Darkness]

I agree on the dead weight issue, its not harsh its fact. Dont try to attack fact with Thematic or roleplaying purposes you just make yourself sound silly comparing apples to fish.

Its a doubles edged blade Dex and cunning, Cunning lets you do more damage but you suffer a decreased hit rate, Dex gives you a better hit rate and suffers really on damage based on abilities that require Cunning (Point for point Dex and Cun will give the same +damage except Cun also gives more damage through armor penetration bonus)



If your a Cun Archer rogue you really only want Str and Dex at minimums for skills and Gear and put everything else into Cunning. Be a Bard/Assassin, duelest is a ok choice for inexperinced players since it gives solid bonuses early in the long run its no where as good as a Bard with Song of courage though (BTW the auto crit ability of Dueliest is not so useful for Archers since they can easily get 100% normal crit rate on their own) Assassin is good for any rogue who want to do damage cause mark of death boosts your and your partys damage by a whopping +20% very useful on bosses let alone Song of courage boosting attack, damage and critical chance from being a Bard. Master Archer+Aim+Song of Courage will definetly help with the low attack score and only gets better from other abilities, The heroic offense spell and rally just to name a few.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

beancounter501 wrote...

The only real stat that matters there is your hit rate. And 77% is bad. Not just bad, but really bad. All of my warrior builds are pushing 92 to 95 by level 15. That is a really BIG difference. Even worse that is the average which means you are hitting bosses even less. Who cares about some random darkspawn - you want to be killing the bosses! Your Leliana is basically deadwood in the party. Good for a mild buff through SoC, but other wise taking up space of character that could get in there and kill things.

Gross exaggeration here...  my rogue has a 74% hit rate and I still steamroll through fairly easily on Nightmare.

The game just isn't that hard that anything less than a perfect character build will not get you through... you can beat it on Nightmare with some fairly screwed up characters.

Modifié par ITSSEXYTIME, 05 juillet 2010 - 12:41 .

[DWSmiley]

Last Darkness wrote...

I agree on the dead weight issue, its not harsh its fact. Dont try to attack fact with Thematic or roleplaying purposes you just make yourself sound silly comparing apples to fish.

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I don't disarm traps for thematic or roleplaying purposes...

[taine]

Cunning I suppose is good if you are willing to do a lot of micro-managing during combat and are backstabbing almost all of the time. You will do more straight damage that way.



I prefer Dexterity based Rogues though, mainly because it is the equivalent of adding a second tank just with a lot more damage. By the end of the game a Dexterity based Rogue is just as, if not more, effective at staying alive than a sword + shield Warrior.

[rayzorium]

What on earth crit for 590? Arrow of Slaying?

[Last Darkness]

rayzorium wrote...

What on earth crit for 590? Arrow of Slaying?

With a Spirit Warrior Archer in Awkening ive seen a Arrow of Slaying regularly crit for over 2k damage.

[MindYerBeak]

Arrow of Slaying deals out a lot of damage. Long cooldown, though.