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[bjdbwea]

Ecael wrote...

Except the explanation is completely invalid when it also applies to Mass Effect 1.

Continue ignoring facts and spewing bias though, I'm sure the developers appreciate that kind of feedback. Or rather, they don't and you're just helping to drive them away from the forum so that they don't care what their "fans"  think about the game.

Congratulations, you're accomplishing the exact opposite of what you think you're doing.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I never expected the forums to have any significant impact. I know too well how this business works to have any illusions about that. For the same reason it doesn't make much sense for you or others to attack anyone who dares to criticize the game, by the way.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 04 juillet 2010 - 05:53 .

[Livemmo]

Its mow2 which is probably the most highly played game on both the 360 and ps3. why would they drop the price when they continue to make sales?

[onotix]

may i ask you how you felt about mass effect and mass effect 2 being on sale a while back?

because it really pissed me off that i had to buy mass effect for 10 dollars and me2 for 30-ish >:|

[Ecael]

bjdbwea wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Except the explanation is completely invalid when it also applies to Mass Effect 1.

Continue ignoring facts and spewing bias though, I'm sure the developers appreciate that kind of feedback. Or rather, they don't and you're just helping to drive them away from the forum so that they don't care what their "fans"  think about the game.

Congratulations, you're accomplishing the exact opposite of what you think you're doing.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I never expected the forums to have any significant impact. I know too well how this business works to have any illusions about that. For the same reason it doesn't make much sense for you or others to attack anyone who dares to criticize the game, by the way.

Because it's not like people think the internet criticism of Mass Effect 1 had a significant impact on gameplay changes, right? Of course, now that I point out that they don't really post here anymore, you say that BioWare isn't known to listen to their fans.

You seem to be perpetually disappointed. And perpetually backtracking into every one of your assumptions about BioWare, the game, and the majority of the people who play it.

[Jigero]

People are complaining about spending less money?

[Bryy_Miller]

Canned Bullets wrote...

I was at Gamestop yesterday, I saw that a good fairly new game like Mass Effect 2 dropped to 40 USD, when an older more mediocre game like Modern Warfare 2 was still at 60 USD. What the hell? They released a demo 5 months late just to try and draw sales in. What the hell is wrong with people? Anyone else kind of mad at the price drops?

If capitalism sickens you, then I have no idea how you function.

[SithLordExarKun]

Ecael wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Except the explanation is completely invalid when it also applies to Mass Effect 1.

Continue ignoring facts and spewing bias though, I'm sure the developers appreciate that kind of feedback. Or rather, they don't and you're just helping to drive them away from the forum so that they don't care what their "fans"  think about the game.

Congratulations, you're accomplishing the exact opposite of what you think you're doing.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I never expected the forums to have any significant impact. I know too well how this business works to have any illusions about that. For the same reason it doesn't make much sense for you or others to attack anyone who dares to criticize the game, by the way.

Because it's not like people think the internet criticism of Mass Effect 1 had a significant impact on gameplay changes, right? Of course, now that I point out that they don't really post here anymore, you say that BioWare isn't known to listen to their fans.

You seem to be perpetually disappointed. And perpetually backtracking into every one of your assumptions about BioWare, the game, and the majority of the people who play it.

Ecael, why do you waste your time arguing with this clown? First, he bashes the game, and then he bashes bioware, right after that he comes up with stupid conspiracy theories and then he bashes the people who do enjoy the game.

This guy is an accomplished liar i tell you constantly lying about biowares agenda and jumping into any pro ME2 thread and accuse whoever reviewed the game who gave it a good rating and claim they are stupid/don't know what a good game is.

[DomerPyle]

Siansonea II wrote...

What sickens me is that school kids are playing my M for Mature game. Aren't you kids satisfied with your Pokemon cards and your ill-fitting trousers?

why does that sicken you? lulz. they're just games. i even played DOOM when i was 4 and it didn't have a negative effect on me

on topic: less money is good, and single player games just don't have the long-term value of multiplayer games.

case in point: PlanetSide. that game is still around after 7 years because it has long-term value. same can be said for StarCraft.

[Ashira Shepard]

Jigero wrote...

People are complaining about spending less money?

It's just simply horrifying to have to see all those bills remain in the wallet, oh the pain!



heheh...

[Vicious Mello]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

I was at Gamestop yesterday, I saw that a good fairly new game like Mass Effect 2 dropped to 40 USD, when an older more mediocre game like Modern Warfare 2 was still at 60 USD. What the hell? They released a demo 5 months late just to try and draw sales in. What the hell is wrong with people? Anyone else kind of mad at the price drops?

If capitalism sickens you, then I have no idea how you function.

Yes, because simply everyone must love capitalism! Oh gosh, how I cannot LIVE without it!

... You're being ignorant. Not everybody has to love capitalism. It's an economic system that leaves a lot of people behind without a second thought, if you haven't noticed. Primarily the mentally or physically handicapped, as well as the elderly.

[-Severian-]

Vicious Mello wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

I was at Gamestop yesterday, I saw that a good fairly new game like Mass Effect 2 dropped to 40 USD, when an older more mediocre game like Modern Warfare 2 was still at 60 USD. What the hell? They released a demo 5 months late just to try and draw sales in. What the hell is wrong with people? Anyone else kind of mad at the price drops?

If capitalism sickens you, then I have no idea how you function.

Yes, because simply everyone must love capitalism! Oh gosh, how I cannot LIVE without it!

... You're being ignorant. Not everybody has to love capitalism. It's an economic system that leaves a lot of people behind without a second thought, if you haven't noticed. Primarily the mentally or physically handicapped, as well as the elderly.

Umm... except that's not what he's saying? He's wondering how they survive if it's actually sickening to you, since it's everywhere. He wasn't defending it. Try reading before launching attacks.

[Vicious Mello]

^ That's not how I read that at all.

[Christmas Ape]

Vicious Mello wrote...

^ That's not how I read that at all.

Is that because you're looking to fight about market politics, or because you don't see any middle ground between "wholeheartedly support" and "am sickened by"?

[Loerwyn]

erilben wrote...

Fallout 3 and Oblivion didn't get a price drop until GOTY versions (which came out a year later). It costs more to buy Dragon Age on Amazon too. ME2 being a single player game isn't a good excuse for this.

Oh, but they did.

Maybe it's just England where games drop in price quite often. The only titles I can think of which have had delayed price drops (or none, exempting sale periods) are Spore, Sims 3 and Modern Warfare 2. Everything else has gone down very quickly. As an example, it's not uncommon to see Dragon Age: Origins on Amazon or elsewhere for under £15, when it retailed for £30. It's been like that for a few months now, and Mass Effect 2 has dropped too. I see it fairly often for £16 at a non-sale price.

[Khayness]

The market = survival of the fittest.

And the fittest is often the most dumb and most agressive.

[Vicious Mello]

Khayness wrote...

The market = survival of the fittest.
And the fittest is often the most dumb and most agressive.

Ah yes, how progressive and humane of the human race. Though nothing short of what I expect.

[AlanC9]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
 Ecael, why do you waste your time arguing with this clown? First, he bashes the game, and then he bashes bioware, right after that he comes up with stupid conspiracy theories and then he bashes the people who do enjoy the game.

This guy is an accomplished liar i tell you constantly lying about biowares agenda and jumping into any pro ME2 thread and accuse whoever reviewed the game who gave it a good rating and claim they are stupid/don't know what a good game is.

All that's true, but I'm kinda glad Ecael corrects him. Saves me the trouble.

[bjdbwea]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Ecael, why do you waste your time arguing with this clown? First, he bashes the game, and then he bashes bioware, right after that he comes up with stupid conspiracy theories and then he bashes the people who do enjoy the game.

This guy is an accomplished liar i tell you constantly lying about biowares agenda and jumping into any pro ME2 thread and accuse whoever reviewed the game who gave it a good rating and claim they are stupid/don't know what a good game is.

I don't even ask why you seem to feel personally insulted when someone dares to criticize the game. But I do ask that you refrain from the insults and wrong accusations. Didn't a mod just tell you the same?

Not everyone shares your opinion, and people will make use of their right to free speech. If you can't deal with that, maybe you shouldn't read internet forums.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 04 juillet 2010 - 01:56 .

[SithLordExarKun]

bjdbwea wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Ecael, why do you waste your time arguing with this clown? First, he bashes the game, and then he bashes bioware, right after that he comes up with stupid conspiracy theories and then he bashes the people who do enjoy the game.

This guy is an accomplished liar i tell you constantly lying about biowares agenda and jumping into any pro ME2 thread and accuse whoever reviewed the game who gave it a good rating and claim they are stupid/don't know what a good game is.

I don't even ask why you seem to feel personally insulted when someone dares to criticize the game. But I do ask that you refrain from the insults and wrong accusations. Didn't a mod just tell you the same?

Not everyone shares your opinion, and people will make use of their right to free speech. If you can't deal with that, maybe you shouldn't read internet forums.

Ah yes, "wrong accusations", something you are incredibly fond of doing which is to simply being up false conspiracy theories.

I don't feel insulted when people critisize the game, what annoys me is people like you going to the extent to make unsupported accusations towards a company just because you hate the game so much. By the way, the reason i call you, and the other ME1 fanatics who treat the game like the pinnacle of video games, clowns, is because you guys are friggin hilarious. I don't see how that is an insult at all.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Ecael wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Yeah I play MW2 also, but the people at my school are just like "Mass effect sucks I just want action."

And there you have my interpretation of the price drop: BioWare/EA dumbed down ME 2 to get exactly those people to buy their game. But apparently it still wasn't enough, or maybe the advertising didn't make clear enough how different ME 2 is from ME 1, so now they try to show them with a demo how well you can "own" enemies in ME 2 too, and give a price drop as an additional incentive.

Do you have some kind of internet tourette syndrome that causes you to badmouth BioWare every time someone mentions one of their games?



Mass Effect 1 dropped to $40 at the same exact time - right before public schools ended.

bjdbwea is just a Mass Effect 1 fanboy, ME2 hater. I thought you guys had already realised that.

[LPPrince]

GOING BACK TO THE POINT OF THIS THREAD,(christ people, give it up already)

One of my friends said he hated ME1. He never got off the Citadel. He just wanted to shoot things, and not have to talk to people.

So I told him that ME1 was a Cinematic RPG with TPS elements. He didn't care.

I also told him that ME2 was a Cinematic TPS with RPG elements, and if he wanted to shoot things, he could do it there. But nope.

He refuses to even download the demo, because apparently in his mind, if ME1 was that "bad", ME2 can't be much better.

I told him ME2 is like the 14th highest rated game of all time. He still wouldn't budge.

What this brings to my mind is that Bioware shouldn't try to grab FPS/TPS fans.

Keep ME1's vibe alive. Have the story be as magnificent as it can be.

Have the conversations be long and informative. Let us walk around and absorb the beauty of the universe they created.

Let us roam around, get rewards for not taking the beaten path the moment we see it.

Let us form deep, long lasting relationships. Hell, I always wanted to romance Tali(I'm the guy that started the whole Tali-fan mess back on the old forums, hahaha), and Miranda's awesome, but I've finally decided that I'm sticking with Ashley for my first playthrough of ME3.

If Bioware wants the money and attention of FPS/TPS fans, then they need to make a full blown FPS/TPS game without elements of anything else, because it seems to me the fans of shooters like to just shoot things and not really do much else.

Nothing against shooters or their fans, as I play MW2 myself.

But instead of diluting the series that drew us all in, for Mass Effect 3, lets pray that Bioware takes the immersive and absolutely masterful story of the first, the amazing combat of the second, makes a few tweaks here and there as necessary, and then creates one of if not the greatest game of all time.

Modifié par LPPrince, 04 juillet 2010 - 03:33 .

[bjdbwea]

LPPrince wrote...

But instead of diluting the series that drew us all in, for Mass Effect 3, lets pray that Bioware takes the immersive and absolutely masterful story of the first, the amazing combat of the second, makes a few tweaks here and there as necessary, and then creates one of if not the greatest game of all time.

Indeed. I just hope you're not the next one to be attacked and insulted for voicing your opinion. Isn't what you said what every fan of the Mass Effect series wants?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 04 juillet 2010 - 04:00 .

[LPPrince]

bjdbwea wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

But instead of diluting the series that drew us all in, for Mass Effect 3, lets pray that Bioware takes the immersive and absolutely masterful story of the first, the amazing combat of the second, makes a few tweaks here and there as necessary, and then creates one of if not the greatest game of all time.

Indeed. I just hope you're not the next one to be attacked and insulted for voicing your opinion. Isn't what you said what every fan of the Mass Effect series wants?

God, I hope its what we all want.

[Ecael]

bjdbwea wrote...

I don't even ask why you seem to feel personally insulted when someone dares to criticize the game. But I do ask that you refrain from the insults and wrong accusations. Didn't a mod just tell you the same?

You claim that you don't insult other people, while at the same time you accuse BioWare/EA of being greedy, accuse their fans of being dumb and tell the developers and moderators that they can't properly do their job.

Sorry, but all the whining started this mess, and that's why they're not here anymore. What I described above is not constructive criticism.

Not everyone shares your opinion, and people will make use of their right to free speech. If you can't deal with that, maybe you shouldn't read internet forums.

Internet forums are run by the moderators, and they have to right to censor what you consider "free speech" as much as they want. Your First Amendment rights do not apply, so stop trying to become the definition of a Fan Dumb:

http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/FanDumb

"The key characteristics of a Fan Dumb tend to be someone who holds obsessive and even irrational views on the object of their interest, often coupled with an over-developed sense of entitlement and / or victimisation. They usually believe that the very fact that they are a fan of something entitles them to special or exclusive treatment or that they are being persecuted by numerous different parties (the creator, the producers, other fans, etc) because of their fandom."

You talk as if BioWare owes something to you from Mass Effect 2 because you were so loyal to the first game (entitlement), and when someone rebukes all your insults at BioWare, you claim to be the one that's being personally attacked by the masses (victimization).

So what if you bought the game for $50+? A million other people did too on the first week of release. They're not all complaining about the game. Yet these forums are filled with whiners who represent these categories:

• People complaining non-stop about flaws, but never adding to the discussion with actual ideas for improvement (fanfics do NOT count)
• People with ideas only consisting of "Be more like ME1", "Be more like ME2", or "Be more like Dragon Age", even though ME1 and ME2 had the same team working on it
• People who complain that BioWare should stop caring only about money, but then threaten not to BUY ME3 if things aren't what they wanted - as if they want BioWare to care about their money
• People who have been around for years and insist that BioWare make things their way (because they're "true" BioWare fans), and everyone else who disagrees are just BioWare fanboys/fangirls (huh?)
• People accusing others of being fanboys/fangirls on a BIOWARE FAN FORUM while using a BIOWARE AVATAR, often with signatures showing support for a BIOWARE CHARACTER while posting in BIOWARE CHARACTER support threads.
• People who think BioWare is selling out because EA publishes for them now - and NOT MICROSOFT - and ignore the fact that Dragon Age was also published by EA (the actual game development started in 2007, right as EA bought BioWare)
• People who think BioWare will listen to them after telling them that they don't know how to do their jobs
• People who accuse EA of being a greedy puppetmaster the moment a BioWare employee does something wrong, like leaving a typo in their post
• People who say that the critics and moderators don't know what they're saying, but then take their opinion as the word of God if they say something that remotely agrees with them
• People who accuse BioWare of targeting a younger audience and then obsess over their favorite characters like Twilight fans
• People who accuse BioWare of listening too intently to feedback, and then giving THEIR feedback that BioWare shouldn't listen to feedback while giving feedback on ME2
• People who comment on BioWare's writing when they can't even write a coherent argument that contradicts itself a million times (posthole!)

You blame the lowest common denominator for the direction that Mass Effect 2 took, yet you don't realize that you're becoming exactly that.

Stop whining.

Modifié par Ecael, 04 juillet 2010 - 04:35 .

[Bhatair]

Ecael wrote...


[*]People who accuse BioWare of listening too intently to feedback, and then giving THEIR feedback that BioWare shouldn't listen to feedback while giving feedback on ME2.