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[AntiChri5]

Who cares? Its just Tali-hate spam anyway.

[AntiChri5]

She would kill Tali to destroy Shepard, making him vulnerable.



Talis death is the least suspicious (suit malfunction) and Shepard can even be manipulated into believing he was responsible for her death (sleeping with her).



This messes Shepard up so badly that he lets down his gaurd and, while grieving, gets seduced and mind melted.

[FourSixEight]

Shandepared wrote...

FourSixEight wrote...


However, Reave is better in most combat circumstances, to get Morinth you have to kill someone who doesn't deserve to die...

That is debatable.

No one's saying she's never done anything wrong. But you're still murdering her all for the promise of someone who may or may not be as powerful as she thinks she is. It's also a disservice to Nef's memory to let Morinth walk free.

[Zulu_DFA]

AntiChri5 wrote...

She would kill Tali to destroy Shepard, making him vulnerable.

Talis death is the least suspicious (suit malfunction) and Shepard can even be manipulated into believing he was responsible for her death (sleeping with her).

This messes Shepard up so badly that he lets down his gaurd and, while grieving, gets seduced and mind melted.

Don't worry. If that happens, you'll be playing as Zaeed in ME3. Zaeed had sex with an ardat yakshi once. It didn't end the way the ardat yakshi hoped. So she sold him out to the Blood Pack.

[FourSixEight]

Shandepared wrote...

FourSixEight wrote...

No one's saying she's never done anything wrong. But you're still murdering her all for the promise of someone who may or may not be as powerful as she thinks she is.

I consider it pre-emptive self defense.

That would be paranoia. If you're a Renegade at that point and Samara told you 'Btw, I may have to kill you, let's hope it doesn't come to that', she's trying to be nice by giving you some advance warning. You'll still have time to kick her off the crew before she has a chance to put her Code in action. But with Morinth, there are no guarantees.

Even if you can resist her influence, there's no guarantee your squadmates can. Speaking to Morinth on your ship reveals she's still interested in claiming your priiiize, so, assuming you're not a moron and thus want to romance her, you either need to start watching your step like a madman and put cameras everywhere or confront her eventually and risk having things turn ugly.

Modifié par FourSixEight, 04 juillet 2010 - 11:31 .

[FourSixEight]

Shandepared wrote...

FourSixEight wrote...

Even if you can resist her influence, there's no guarantee your squadmates can.

She's not interested in the squadmates.

You know this how? She's a serial killer who's been manipulating peoples' emotions for centuries, so if she's the one who told you, I wouldn't put faith in anything she says. She also said that the Ardat-Yakshi were the genetic destiny of the asari, and that turned out to be bogus.

[Blackveldt]

Shandepared wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...

 In any case, Shepard realizes that Morinth is too intrigued to do anything rash.  Still not the smartest choice, as it is rather needlessly evil and does nothing to further the mission.

Shepard, "Morinth will be more useful to me on my mission..."

Apparently Commander Shepard feels that this does further his mission.

I was thinking in terms of actual playthrough.  There is no significant difference with the exception of Morinth's/Samara's special skill (Dominate vs. Reave).  On Insanity level, Reave is by far more useful.  Shepard never actually explains how Morinth is more useful, so it is up to the player to assume the role and have his/her own reason(s).

Modifié par Blackveldt, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:55 .

[Bomb In My Pants]

Blackveldt wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

@Blackveldt: When Shep kills Morinth. He is very vulnerable. Alone, unarmed, unshielded.

I was referring more to your argument concerning Morinth catching Shepard outside of this particular scenario.  However, now that you've mentioned it, one could argue that Shepard is not as vulnerable as you may believe her/him to be.  It is more like the events that take place on the Purgatory--Shepard is absolutely unwilling to go in unarmed (despite the relatively reasonable no-firearm request) and without backup.  Just like at Purgatory, Shepard is unwilling to go in 'unarmed,' so to speak; Samara is Shepard's weapon and backup, if you will--just simply better concealed.  And the Commander is resourceful, astute and influential enough to know that s/he can trust Samara.

Not to mention the fact that there is a short sword, and a revenant machine gun on the wall!

[Bomb In My Pants]

I think I'll suspend judgment for now...until I've actually done it for myself.



The only reason I haven't probably, is because playing renegade sucks, quite frankly, and it happens so late in the game.

[tonnactus]

Bomb In My Pants wrote...

I think I'll suspend judgment for now...until I've actually done it for myself.

The only reason I haven't probably, is because playing renegade sucks, quite frankly, and it happens so late in the game.

You dont have to be a renegade to have the option to take morinth.

[tonnactus]

Blackveldt wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...

 In any case, Shepard realizes that Morinth is too intrigued to do anything rash.  Still not the smartest choice, as it is rather needlessly evil and does nothing to further the mission.

Shepard, "Morinth will be more useful to me on my mission..."

Apparently Commander Shepard feels that this does further his mission.

I was thinking in terms of actual playthrough.  There is no significant difference with the exception of Morinth's/Samara's special skill (Dominate vs. Reave).  On Insanity level, Reave is by far more useful. 

I would disagree completly. One is a good crowd control skill, the other one is just an altered version of warp and completely overrated anyways. A dominated enemy is the focus of all other enemies around him/her and give you much more breathing time. The game become a lot easier with,not matter if shepardt has it or morinth use it.

[FlyinElk212]

I think in terms of gameplay, Morinth and Samara are on equal level...as they should be.

Where the problem lies for me is the story that revolves around the choice. Even within the cutscene, Samara and Morinth seemed to be on equal level when it came to power.

If you're going to give me the "Renegade" option of keeping Morinth over Samara, at least give me a viable reason to do so! Show that Morinth is clearly superior in power to Samara! In the cutscene, show Samara really struggling to keep up with Morinth (or something like that)! That way, Renegades have a justifiable reason for choosing her over someone who's already plead allegiance to you.

[Ooga600]

choosing morinth is just stupid, even if you are renegade.

[FourSixEight]

And if it turns out to be possible to retain the bonus powers you acquired in ME2 for ME3, you won't really need Morinth at all by the time ME3 rolls around. Plus it's not as if Samara is going to try and kill the best hope for humanity *right while s/he's fighting the epic war with the Reapers.*

[Malsumis]

In ME3, those that kiilled Morinth instead of Samara lose to the Reapers. Why? Use your imagination...



All jokes aside, I still wonder if we are going to have the vampire Asari in ME3, would give that choice greater meaning. Extremely doubtful, but interesting to think about.

[Blackveldt]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

I think in terms of gameplay, Morinth and Samara are on equal level...as they should be.
Where the problem lies for me is the story that revolves around the choice. Even within the cutscene, Samara and Morinth seemed to be on equal level when it came to power.
If you're going to give me the "Renegade" option of keeping Morinth over Samara, at least give me a viable reason to do so! Show that Morinth is clearly superior in power to Samara! In the cutscene, show Samara really struggling to keep up with Morinth (or something like that)! That way, Renegades have a justifiable reason for choosing her over someone who's already plead allegiance to you.

I believe the biggest reason for gamers would be to simply pursue that subplot in order to see how different this choice can affect ME3.   However, one possible Renegade reasoning is as follows:  Morinth and Samara may be on equal ground . . . for now.  However, Morinth, as an Ardat Yakshi, can meld with many people, thereby increasing her power(s) immediately.  After all, she is only 400 (compared to her mother's near 1000 years of age).  A truly evil Renegade might allow this 'for the greater good' and in time, Morinth would have far surpassed Samara's biotic abilities.