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[Stjerne]

I'm gonna make a new DW str warrior and ive already decided im gonna use Starfang as my main hand, but my Off-Hand  im not sure. its between The Rose's Thorn or The Veshialle. wich one should i use?  plz Help.

[soteria]

They're both good choices. The Rose's Thorn will give you a faster attack speed with both weapons and save you a talent, and the Veshaille probably has an edge in damage from specials. I'd say the Veshaille is probably the more popular choice, but a dagger off-hand is an under-used and similarly strong option.

[Stjerne]

i know alll of that, but i cant decide but The Rose's Thorn Have 30% Critical/ Backstab Damage and thats very big in attacks like Punisher where you crit with both weapons. But, DW Sweep doesn't crit, so you'll do more damage with the Veshialle, but with Whirlwind, the crits will be bigger with Rose's Thorn. The Crit in Riposte is bigger too.+ as you said i save one talent point and can put 6 points more in strength on my Character.

[Elhanan]

Which allows 3 Rune slots? That would be one factor. Both are expensive, and I know Nature dmg is no good vs Undead, if that helps.

[beancounter501]

Both are really good. It really depends on the spread between your strength and dex. If your strength is at least 15 points over your dex then you should go Veshaile. Otherwise go Rose of Thorns. The strength dual weld does not really start to pick up steam until the latter levels.

[Last Darkness]

duel wield Veshialle, also so you know on a Str build Veshialle does 25% more damage then Starfang due to How Swords and Axes calculate mainhand Str.



Realisticaly it really boils down too do you wanna go to 36 Dex or stay at 30 and put those points into str.

[Bahlgan]

It seems a tad odd for me to allow a warrior to use a dagger. Sure, there's the dagger your warrior warden would use for when he slits the throats of those whom he is performing executions. Otherwise, it just doesn't seem brutal or gung ho to fit a warrior's prowess in the game. Personally, and for more than just my preferences, I recommend using the Veshialle.

[TemjinGold]

Bahlgan wrote...

It seems a tad odd for me to allow a warrior to use a dagger. Sure, there's the dagger your warrior warden would use for when he slits the throats of those whom he is performing executions. Otherwise, it just doesn't seem brutal or gung ho to fit a warrior's prowess in the game. Personally, and for more than just my preferences, I recommend using the Veshialle.

Are you calling Duncan a pansy then? 

[Zy-El]

You can't just look at straight damage. Veshaille wins in that department. The Rose gives you faster attack speed and Momentum, that's made even more evident. Getting your foe down to that one sliver of life and capping him off with a quick dagger stab sometimes is the difference.

And don't think of these daggers as being daggers in the traditional sense, they look more like short swords or the Roman gladius.

[BroBear Berbil]

Use Rose's Thorn for off-hand imo. Full-sized weapon in MH + dagger in off-hand is just beastly if you do a Momentum + Haste + Precise Striking combo.

[Last Darkness]

Bahlgan wrote...

It seems a tad odd for me to allow a warrior to use a dagger. Sure, there's the dagger your warrior warden would use for when he slits the throats of those whom he is performing executions. Otherwise, it just doesn't seem brutal or gung ho to fit a warrior's prowess in the game. Personally, and for more than just my preferences, I recommend using the Veshialle.

The later daggers in this game, rose thorn, the edge, Fang for example look like full size swords.

[Last Darkness]

OnionXI wrote...

Use Rose's Thorn for off-hand imo. Full-sized weapon in MH + dagger in off-hand is just beastly if you do a Momentum + Haste + Precise Striking combo.

That only works in that combo too lol,  Try Momentum+Bloodthirst  you get +10% crit chance and +5% more attack speed over that other combo.

If you really wanna see something magical
Warrior Berserker/Reaver
 Duel Daggers with at least 60 Str/60Dex together +15 damage runes in both daggers, concentrated crow poison (+6 damage and chance to stun) running Momentum+Berserk+bloodthirst+aura of pain+blood frenzy and of course some type of flaming weapons or something.

I did this with a city elf so i could use Rose Thorn+Fang

[Bahlgan]

TemjinGold wrote...

Are you calling Duncan a pansy then? 

Well well, that would be cruel if I were to insult the very avatar I represent, no? 

Nah, I am not saying Duncan is a pansy. To answer YOUR question though, I do not believe Duncan is a warrior, but rather a rogue. Think about it: How else do you think he is so fast with his reflexes? Might be just me. But then against that wouldn't explain the medium or heavy armor he was wearing.

I am sorry, Rose's Thorn certainly has a bunch of good stats, especially that 30% increase to crit damage, and health regen plus the crit chance. It just doesn't feel the same to me though, it is what it is. Wish they had a sword version of the weapon. I don't see Veshialle being hardly any weaker. In fact, the staina regen and the same amount of crit hit chance make the two weapons comparable.

[Last Darkness]

Bahlgan wrote...

TemjinGold wrote...

Are you calling Duncan a pansy then? 

Well well, that would be cruel if I were to insult the very avatar I represent, no? 

Nah, I am not saying Duncan is a pansy. To answer YOUR question though, I do not believe Duncan is a warrior, but rather a rogue. Think about it: How else do you think he is so fast with his reflexes? Might be just me. But then against that wouldn't explain the medium or heavy armor he was wearing.

I am sorry, Rose's Thorn certainly has a bunch of good stats, especially that 30% increase to crit damage, and health regen plus the crit chance. It just doesn't feel the same to me though, it is what it is. Wish they had a sword version of the weapon. I don't see Veshialle being hardly any weaker. In fact, the staina regen and the same amount of crit hit chance make the two weapons comparable.

Except for veshialle will always do something close to 75% more damage then rose thorn. You have to weigh in the attribute modifier as well and with high Str builds wow axes do insane damage.

[Bahlgan]

Last Darkness wrote...

Except for veshialle will always do something close to 75% more damage then rose thorn. You have to weigh in the attribute modifier as well and with high Str builds wow axes do insane damage.

My instincts always told me that daggers were never really for mighty warriors in plate anyhow. I mean think about it: Giant juggernauts and titans wielding toothpicks (essentially)?? Hah! Dream on!

[Last Darkness]

Bahlgan wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Except for veshialle will always do something close to 75% more damage then rose thorn. You have to weigh in the attribute modifier as well and with high Str builds wow axes do insane damage.

My instincts always told me that daggers were never really for mighty warriors in plate anyhow. I mean think about it: Giant juggernauts and titans wielding toothpicks (essentially)?? Hah! Dream on!

True enough haha

In game the higher end unqiue daggers are as big as swords anyways. But really yes daggers have faster attack speed and high armor penetration its boils down to Attribute modifiers.
Daggers use 50% of Str/Dex and then modify it by only 85% of that value counts towards your damage.
Swords use 100% of Str and Modify it by using 100% of that value.
Axes use 100% Str and modify it by 115% of that value.
So after a certain point axes will do more damage then swords even though swords have the highest base damage.

Of course whats funny is a optimum Dex tank build using a dagger, imagine how silly that would be in real life lol. Heavy Plate Armor, big meaty shield, and a little dagger. hahah

[Bahlgan]

Bahlgan wrote...

See? This is why, in a way, Diablo 2's weapon bases were better. Sharp weapons (daggers, axes, swords) performed more damage against living targets, while blunt weapons (maces, mauls, staves, flails) were better cadidates against undead targets.

Sure, I can see in DA:O that maces and mauls are ideal for targets with heavy armor, while axes and daggers are perfect for crit chance (to me that's more of a gambling attribute). This leaves out swords. Swords have highest base damage and thus are ideal to your average target. However, I was kinda hoping that there would be some other attribute that made swords on par with the others. Perhaps a greater chance to hit since swords are usually lighter than the others anyway?

Modifié par Bahlgan, 10 juillet 2010 - 12:44 .

[Last Darkness]

Getting Off Topic



Main hand Veshialle Axe and Offhand Starfang or Keening. Thats th best duel wield main hands damage combo besides duel Veshille's.



Reasoning despite its lower base damage Veshille does the most damage in game for a single hand weapon and has awesome stats. When you use Skills it calculates your mainhand weapon for damage (Correct me if im wroung im pretty sure this is correct though) so to maximise damage you want that setup.

[GoodFella146]

I always value stamina regeneration very highly so it's easily The Veshialle for me. I like making my characters self sufficient on stamina so abilities like Death Blow and Feast of the Fallen are very key for me as well. This way I also never need to add attribute points to Willpower ever and still be able to use lots of activated abilities. I suppose in Awakening you can just use a Stamina Draught but I never bother crafting those since I'm so used making my characters self sufficient.

[Mecha Tengu]

bah who needs swords when you can have glaives

[Last Darkness]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

bah who needs swords when you can have glaives

So thats what happened to Iilliden after Blizzard gave him his pink slip.

[Bahlgan]

Oh boy.. This thread's value just jumped DOWN.. Was hoping to escape WOW

[Mecha Tengu]

Illidan was roflsompted by 25 random scrubs, and now copies of his glaives are being circulated as mods everywhere

[Last Darkness]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Illidan was roflsompted by 25 random scrubs, and now copies of his glaives are being circulated as mods everywhere

I hear hes such a push over now, you can poke him with a pillow and kill him.

[Bahlgan]

WOW does a good job at not only satirizing their villains and/or story heroes, but they even did a good job at making the Lich King look like a complete ****, what with taking merely 10 now to kill him. TEN!! As opposed to 25 against Illidan!! lmao