Does anyone else think it might be cool if the rachni instead of helping you in ME3 if you saved them became enemys (possibly through indoctrination). Making the renegade choice actually be the right choice instead of just the evil one. Thoughts?
Rachni Backfire
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 03:23
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Yes I would think it would be cool
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 03:49
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YEs and no. If your going to do something like that. You should also make it so you can presuade the bug thingy's to come back to your side depending on your paragon or renegade levels. Remember this is an RPG after all. Everything should be based on levels.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 03:52
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No. Doesn't fit the lore they have.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 03:53
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That'd be neat but it's kind of a delayed pay-off. If the rachni were going to backstab you it should have been in ME1. After you complete all the plot missions you should hear a news report on the Citadel or get a message from the Council or something about how the rachni overran Noveria.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 03:55
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Shandepared wrote...
That'd be neat but it's kind of a delayed pay-off. If the rachni were going to backstab you it should have been in ME1. After you complete all the plot missions you should hear a news report on the Citadel or get a message from the Council or something about how the rachni overran Noveria.
You still had the rachni from the side missions after you did Noveria. Attack those bases. Plus like I said some of them end up getting indoctrinated by the reapers when they finally make there assualt on the Milky Way!
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 04:05
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You still had the rachni from the side missions after you did Noveria. Attack those bases. Plus like I said some of them end up getting indoctrinated by the reapers when they finally make there assualt on the Milky Way!
No, I hate that idea. If you're going to punish the paragon then punish them for being too trusting, don't punish them by kicking them in the balls because the Reapers undid all their good work.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 04:11
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Soverign 666 wrote...
Does anyone else think it might be cool if the rachni instead of helping you in ME3 if you saved them became enemys (possibly through indoctrination). Making the renegade choice actually be the right choice instead of just the evil one. Thoughts?
That what I thought when I heard from Rachni in ME2. But I don't think Bioware writers will go that far. So far they make sure the Paragon playthrough always results perfect outcomes. So I don't think they are going to change the way now.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 04:15
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Shandepared wrote...
Tooneyman wrote...
You still had the rachni from the side missions after you did Noveria. Attack those bases. Plus like I said some of them end up getting indoctrinated by the reapers when they finally make there assualt on the Milky Way!
No, I hate that idea. If you're going to punish the paragon then punish them for being too trusting, don't punish them by kicking them in the balls because the Reapers undid all their good work.
Actually, it's punishing the Paragon for both being too trusting and for being an idiot. An idiot, because of Indoctrination. This is a species that can posses the mind of a dead Asari and speak through it. And when questioned about the Rachni wars even THEN the queen says that it was not her decision and even going back along the memories, it seems a mess and distorted mind set. And you get confirmation in ME2.
Too trusting, because you're trusting that the Rachni'll stay away from the Reapers somehow and not become re-indoctrinated, which was hinted at in BOTH games, making Shepard perfectly informed about possible future consequences. But to trust any species to somehow escape the Reapers? As Davik once said: "Sorreeh~ but THAT AIN'T gonna HAPPEN!"
Because, y'know, it's a stupid and ridiculous assumption.
...'course. I still save the queen anyway. Because if I had the choice, I'd just leave the queen there. Let some other research team deal with her. The Alliance, possibly. Maybe the STG. As a Spectre, Shepard could confiscate the queen in the name of the council and hand it over to whichever group he wanted. But since that's not an option...
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 04:18
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Shandepared wrote...
Tooneyman wrote...
You still had the rachni from the side missions after you did Noveria. Attack those bases. Plus like I said some of them end up getting indoctrinated by the reapers when they finally make there assualt on the Milky Way!
No, I hate that idea. If you're going to punish the paragon then punish them for being too trusting, don't punish them by kicking them in the balls because the Reapers undid all their good work.
But Tooneyman's idea is possible. Even the Rachni queen confirmed that the previous Rachni war was a result of indoctrination or something similar like that.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 04:29
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It's neat because it would be a change of pace, but not neat because then we'd have to fight rachni again....
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 04:33
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snfonseka wrote...
But Tooneyman's idea is possible. Even the Rachni queen confirmed that the previous Rachni war was a result of indoctrination or something similar like that.
I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said I didn't like it. It means that the paragon was right to trust the queen but he's gonna get screwed because he's just unlucky. If the paragon is gonna get hurt make it because they made a BAD decision, not because fate just doesn't like them.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 05:26
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I forget where I heard it - probably speculation on the boards here - that the Rachni were "weak willed," but I think will is irrelevant. Since the Rachni population is proportionately mostly drones which are dependent on a queen for guidance, they are as a species particularly vulnerable to indoctrination, as it takes only one to turn an entire colony. If this were not a fictional universe subject to the whims of storytelling, any real Reaper would concentrate on turning the one or handful of queens that are out there. So yes... if the ME universe were "real," we will face off against indoctrinated Rachni.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 06:10
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Shandepared wrote...
snfonseka wrote...
But Tooneyman's idea is possible. Even the Rachni queen confirmed that the previous Rachni war was a result of indoctrination or something similar like that.
I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said I didn't like it. It means that the paragon was right to trust the queen but he's gonna get screwed because he's just unlucky. If the paragon is gonna get hurt make it because they made a BAD decision, not because fate just doesn't like them.
It is a bad decision according 2 my point of view.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 06:10
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snfonseka wrote...
It is a bad decision according 2 my point of view.
That's great.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 06:34
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Shandepared wrote...
snfonseka wrote...
But Tooneyman's idea is possible. Even the Rachni queen confirmed that the previous Rachni war was a result of indoctrination or something similar like that.
I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said I didn't like it. It means that the paragon was right to trust the queen but he's gonna get screwed because he's just unlucky. If the paragon is gonna get hurt make it because they made a BAD decision, not because fate just doesn't like them.
Think of it this way: the Rachni Queen got the notion of the Reapers and the indoctrination from its interaction with Benezia (who was indoctrinated). Putting 2 and 2 together yeilds a perfect lie: "Shep, it's all Reapers' fault, and we are white and fluffy!".
Too bad Legion indirectly confirmes the Queen's story. Because if the Queen's story is true, there is a huge PLOTHOLE there. Namely, if Sovereign indoctrinated the Rachni two thousand years ago, it would know the location of the Mu Relay!
Anyway, the Youtube vid of the Rachni "Envoy" dialogue gave me creeps. What the Rachni do to humanoids isn't any better than indoctrination itself.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 06:53
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Zulu_DFA wrote...
Think of it this way: the Rachni Queen got the notion of the Reapers and the indoctrination from its interaction with Benezia (who was indoctrinated). Putting 2 and 2 together yeilds a perfect lie: "Shep, it's all Reapers' fault, and we are white and fluffy!".
I've speculated about that but I doubt Bioware will go in that direction.
I've never seen the dialog with the envoy.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 07:17
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No
Why? You like plotholes?
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 08:06
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Fair's fair. Paragon Shep already 'indoctrinated' a whole (pardon the pun) legion of geth heretics sitting deep in enemy territory, to their side.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 08:08
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I think they will, The Queen says to shepard let me free or just kill me. But by her reaction to trying to kill her it shows she may have lied to survive.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 08:20
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Zanramon wrote...
I think they will, The Queen says to shepard let me free or just kill me. But by her reaction to trying to kill her it shows she may have lied to survive.
Unlike Shiala.
The Queen is not to blame, given its situation. Still its deceitful intentions remain self-evident.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 08:53
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Not gonna happen, in ME2 the queen leaves you a message saying she will help against the Reapers. It is stupid to kill the queen without knowing anything at all about her.
lol yeah, because Sovereign is the only Reaper that could have enslave the Rachni, for all you know Rachni could have been indoctrinated long before Sovereign was found by Saren.
Zulu_DFA wrote...
Think of
it this way: the Rachni Queen got the notion of the Reapers and the
indoctrination from its interaction with Benezia (who was
indoctrinated). Putting 2 and 2 together yeilds a perfect lie: "Shep,
it's all Reapers' fault, and we are white and fluffy!".
Too bad
Legion indirectly confirmes the Queen's story. Because if the Queen's
story is true, there is a huge PLOTHOLE there. Namely, if Sovereign
indoctrinated the Rachni two thousand years ago, it would know the
location of the Mu Relay!
Anyway, the Youtube vid of the Rachni
"Envoy" dialogue gave me creeps. What the Rachni do to humanoids isn't
any better than indoctrination itself.
lol yeah, because Sovereign is the only Reaper that could have enslave the Rachni, for all you know Rachni could have been indoctrinated long before Sovereign was found by Saren.
Modifié par Kronner, 05 juillet 2010 - 08:56 .
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 08:59
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Kronner wrote...
It is stupid to kill the queen without knowing anything at all about her.
It is stupid to release the queen without knowing anything at all about her.
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Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 09:00
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Shandepared wrote...
Kronner wrote...
It is stupid to kill the queen without knowing anything at all about her.
It is stupid to release the queen without knowing anything at all about her.
Yes, best choice would be to keep her in the tank and consult with Council, but since there is no such option, killing the entire species is Hitler-like stupid.
