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[Zulu_DFA]

Kronner wrote...

Not gonna happen, in ME2 the queen leaves you a message saying she will help against the Reapers. It is stupid to kill the queen without knowing anything at all about her.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Think of
it this way: the Rachni Queen got the notion of the Reapers and the
indoctrination from its interaction with Benezia (who was
indoctrinated). Putting 2 and 2 together yeilds a perfect lie: "Shep,
it's all Reapers' fault, and we are white and fluffy!".

Too bad
Legion indirectly confirmes the Queen's story. Because if the Queen's
story is true, there is a huge PLOTHOLE there. Namely, if Sovereign
indoctrinated the Rachni two thousand years ago, it would know the
location of the Mu Relay!

Anyway, the Youtube vid of the Rachni
"Envoy" dialogue gave me creeps. What the Rachni do to humanoids isn't
any better than indoctrination itself.

lol yeah, because Sovereign is the only Reaper that could have enslave the Rachni, for all you know Rachni could have been indoctrinated long before Sovereign was found by Saren.

Dude, the logic is not your friend yet. My opinion, of course.

[Kronner]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dude, the logic is not your friend yet. My opinion, of course.

Don't worry I have come to the same conclusion about you

[ObserverStatus]

Having the Rachni backstab you would cost a substantial amount of develpoment dollars, and since killing them is the "canon" decision, I don't think that is going to happen.

Modifié par bobobo878, 05 juillet 2010 - 09:12 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Kronner wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dude, the logic is not your friend yet. My opinion, of course.

Don't worry I have come to the same conclusion about you

bobobo878 wrote...

Having the Rachni backstab you would cost a substantial amount of develpoment dollars, and since killing them is the "canon" decision, I don't think that is going to happen.

Why? The Queen can send a backstabbing E-mail in "3"...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 juillet 2010 - 09:19 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Wanting to bet that there will be Rachni in ME3 regardless of your decision?

You know...it might have been Harbinger and the Collectors responsible for the Rachni attacking the Council Races, not Sovereign.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 juillet 2010 - 09:26 .

[biomag]

I don't expect a backfire... Bioware always pleases the Paragon approach...

[phordicus]

yes, i can't wait for the email from the rachni queen wishing me luck against the reapers.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I think an interesting choice may be in order.

If you saved the Rachni, you will receive their loyalty and they will rally against the Reapers. However, the Krogan will not unless you saved Urdnot Wrex on Virmire.
If you killed the Rachni, the Krogan will agree that they should rally against the Reapers.

[Zulu_DFA]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Wanting to bet that there will be Rachni in ME3 regardless of your decision?

You know...it might have been Harbinger and the Collectors responsible for the Rachni attacking the Council Races, not Sovereign.

Legion said it was Sovereign that flew around seeking allies (but the robot does not mention the Rachni specifically).

It it were the Collectors, why didn't Sovereign seek them out to obtain the necessary information?

If there were competing factions among the Reapers, or some "rogue" Reapers and Harbinger was opposed to Sovereign, why didn't it try to prevent Sovereign from achieving success with its plan?

So here is the whole chain;

1. Harbinger does not prevent Sovereign from achieving success => Harbinger and Sovereign are allies.

2. As they allies, they would share vital information (Mu Relay coordinates)

3. Sovereign didn't know the Mu Relay's location => Harbinger didn't know the Mu Relay's Location.

4. Harbinger did not indoctrinate the Rachni via Collecotors or other means. Neither did Sovereign or it would know the location itself.

5. If the Racni were indoctrinated, it must have been a Reaper faction, that was opposed to Sovereign and Harbinger. We never heard of one, and the Rachni queen didn't tell us that (as it should have, if that was the case).

6. The Rachni could have been indoctrinated by some "autonomous indoctrination devices" which are scattered abundantly around the Galaxy. Which only emphasizes the Rachni's inherent relation to any other sapient species: environmental hazard. Like the freaking Thorian.

7. The behavior of the Rachni Queen during the conversation with Shepard is deceitful: at first it pretends to be putting its fate in Shepard's hands, but if the latter chooses to kill it, the Queen tries to stop him. Again, one can't blame the Queen for that, but it proves it's trying to lie its way out of the tank.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 juillet 2010 - 10:56 .

[Crunchyinmilk]

phordicus wrote...
I can't wait for the email from the rachni queen wishing me luck against the reapers.

That should be in spoiler tags! You've just ruined the surpriiiize.

[Asheer_Khan]

Here we go again whit "Let's punish Paragons because my renegade ego cant stand fact that they could have right..." thread...

[AntiChri5]

I really dont get the "Rachni vulnerable to indoctrination" argument.



The drones are controlled by the queens, so indoctrinating the queens gets you the drones.



Yep, with you so far.



But wouldnt that make them uniquely suited to fight indoctrination?



Since the drones are controlled by the queens, they cannot be indoctrinated.



So we can send them against the reapers, without fear they will be indoctrinated.



We just have to look after the queens, make sure they are safe.

[mosor]

snfonseka wrote...

Soverign 666 wrote...

Does anyone else think it might be cool if the rachni instead of helping you in ME3 if you saved them became enemys (possibly through indoctrination). Making the renegade choice actually be the right choice instead of just the evil one. Thoughts?

That what I thought when I heard from Rachni in ME2. But I don't think Bioware writers will go that far. So far they make sure the Paragon playthrough always results perfect outcomes. So I don't think they are going to change the way now.

I dunno, doing the "Paragon" thing in Dragon Age or Awakenings doesn't always lead to the best result. Hopefully they will do something similar in ME3.

[Tooneyman]

Shandepared wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...


You still had the rachni from the side missions after you did Noveria. Attack those bases. Plus like I said some of them end up getting indoctrinated by the reapers when they finally make there assualt on the Milky Way!

No, I hate that idea. If you're going to punish the paragon then punish them for being too trusting, don't punish them by kicking them in the balls because the Reapers undid all their good work.

It wasn't punishing the paragon players at all. IF you had enough charm skills you wouldn't need to worry about it. This is just a complaint to be headed. The indoctrinations is a great idea. I'm not saying indoctrinate the queen, but just indoctrinate a few rachni. Say they loose their songs from the mother like in the first game. It gives us a reason to kill them and to go after them. Say they give us a mission in the third game to go save the queen from getting fully indoctrinated. I think that would be legendary.

[FlyinElk212]

"Punishing Paragons"?

That sentiment implies that Paragons shouldn't be punished. That they are above what another type of player (Renegade) should be subjected to.

Personally, I hope that Mass Effect NEVER has this ideal. They should give advantages and disadvantages to both types of player. Otherwise, what is the point of going Renegade, other than challenge?

[tonnactus]

Soverign 666 wrote...

Does anyone else think it might be cool if the rachni instead of helping you in ME3 if you saved them became enemys (possibly through indoctrination).

No,it wouldnt be cool.Because its an boring and annoying stereotype that insectoid intelligent species are evil and enemies . So the other way would be a lot more satisfying.

Modifié par tonnactus, 05 juillet 2010 - 03:50 .

[Mercuriol]

Fine.



But only if destroying the collector base turns out to be a stupid decision as well.

[whootsley2]

Only the queen could talk and only by using a host so talking to them isnt gonna work :/

[Tooneyman]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

"Punishing Paragons"?
That sentiment implies that Paragons shouldn't be punished. That they are above what another type of player (Renegade) should be subjected to.
Personally, I hope that Mass Effect NEVER has this ideal. They should give advantages and disadvantages to both types of player. Otherwise, what is the point of going Renegade, other than challenge?

Now eat your pie you deserve it.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Kronner wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Kronner wrote...

It is stupid to kill the queen without knowing anything at all about her.

It is stupid to release the queen without knowing anything at all about her.

Yes, best choice would be to keep her in the tank and consult with Council, but since there is no such option, killing the entire species is Hitler-like stupid.

Ah yes, "Godwin".

It's hardly genocide, though, you're just killing what's left of them, not an entire species. Killing the last human would be no worse.

Tooneyman wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...


You still had the rachni from the side missions after you did Noveria. Attack those bases. Plus like I said some of them end up getting indoctrinated by the reapers when they finally make there assualt on the Milky Way!

No, I hate that idea. If you're going to punish the paragon then punish them for being too trusting, don't punish them by kicking them in the balls because the Reapers undid all their good work.

It wasn't punishing the paragon players at all. IF you had enough charm skills you wouldn't need to worry about it. This is just a complaint to be headed. The indoctrinations is a great idea. I'm not saying indoctrinate the queen, but just indoctrinate a few rachni. Say they loose their songs from the mother like in the first game. It gives us a reason to kill them and to go after them. Say they give us a mission in the third game to go save the queen from getting fully indoctrinated. I think that would be legendary.

Never gonna happen, creating missions that only around 50% (if not less) of the players could access would be rather inefficent, especially if they're based on choices from two games ago.

Now, if we assume letting the rachni go free was the 'right' choice, you might see rachni NPC allies in one of the missions, holding off some enemies or whatever, though they could just as easily be replaced with any other potential ally such as the geth or the Alliance.

If we're lucky though, we might get the chance to have the mission path 'split' somewhere near the end of ME3, but based on choices you make in ME3, because linearity won't matter at that point.

FlyinElk212 wrote...

"Punishing Paragons"?
That sentiment implies that Paragons shouldn't be punished. That they are above what another type of player (Renegade) should be subjected to.
Personally, I hope that Mass Effect NEVER has this ideal. They should give advantages and disadvantages to both types of player. Otherwise, what is the point of going Renegade, other than challenge?

Honor, I guess? Maybe even logic in that situation?

Mercuriol wrote...

Fine.

But only if destroying the collector base turns out to be a stupid decision as well.

How? You'll never know if you destroyed it...

As for Zulu, I'd say Sovereign could still be responsible for indoctrinating the rachni on their homeworld without knowing of them having found the location of the Mu Relay.

[Tooneyman]

Actually having missions like that would make people want to play the game. Those 50% would tell other people about it and the world would spread. People would go back and play the living hell out of ME 1 to Me 2 just to get to that point and I guarantee you. You yourself would as well. So OWNED!

[Kaiser Shepard]

YouTube, dear, no reason to be a moron Paragon there and take an unnecessary risk.



And yes, I also destroyed the Collector Base.

[mosor]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Here we go again whit "Let's punish Paragons because my renegade ego cant stand fact that they could have right..." thread...

Huh? I fully expect to be punished for some of my renegade decisions. I just don't get that whole "i can be naive and trusting all I want without any consequences" attitude some paragon players have. I think they should be punished for those too.