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Tooneyman wrote...

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Really? Because I thought it was video game... I pay for an adventure. Not someone telling me doing the right thing is the wrong choice.


You paid for an experience. You paid for a game to have fun with and Bioware gave you that. They also told you there were going to be concequences to all your actions whether good or bad. They also said if you were watching and reading interviews there are no right or wrong choices. The ME universe is looked at as a grey universe. Just with every action you make their is a concequence. IF you have been paying attention in the first game whether you saved the council or not you still got screwed in the second game. Sorry to say my point is made!Image IPB


Here is the thing... to me... my opinion is what I care about.  You trying to say you made a point is of no value to me... I don't care what you think.  I made a statement about what I'm expecting and what will happen if negative outcomes happens from positive choices.  So your point... is of no concern to me.  I'm done talking... come back later!

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I want to see some paragon decisions backfire horribly! It would suck if every paragon choice helps things.

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The story is already written... so who cares.

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Tooneyman wrote...

Yeah, but the problem is its there. Thats the problem. This opens up the doors to those plot holes from the guys at the fight the plot thread and no I don't want them in here. Its just makes you Image IPB, but i do see what your saying, but at the same time. Its there, Bioware should have really thought about that before they stuck it in. Like we wouldn't notice it. Image IPB


No it's not a problem since they've decided not to do anything with that, end of discussion. Besides what do you expect? Mass Effect is written by BioWare's second tier writing team, trying to make a console game for the Gears of War fans. If every little conversation you have matters the cost of ME3 would be astronomical, they have to enforce some degree of canon or they'll never be able to move the plot forward. If one conversation from the first game came to royally screw you over in the third game people would go nuts. Paragon and Renegade choices aren't going to stop you from defeating the reapers, it's going to change the political landscape either Humans intergrate into Galactic society or they Dominate it.

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adneate wrote...

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Also, how did letting the Council die (or in most cases, focusing on Sovereign) backfire?


People say it backfired because it increases tensions between The Alliance and The Hierarchy, as the Turians claim they are going to ignore the dreadnought limitations treaty. However this point is moot since The Alliance is way stronger than the Turians and have a massive headstart in terms of naval forces. Whereas in the Paragon ending they cooperate to create a united peacekeeping force, but the Turians are still dominate over the humans but peace mean better for some people.

As for the Genophage I leave it be, the future of the Krogan is Urdnot Wrex's plan to unify them as a people. Curing the Genophage is pointless since they Korgan are the same tribal savages they were before, but if Wrex molds them into one people they can start becoming useful members of society.

If looked at from that perspective I'd say the Paragons are the ones that were screwed over, majorly even so, with everyone's favorite Councilor going all "Ah yes, "Reapers"...".

As far as the krogan go, I fully trust Wrex as an individual, but have no doubt as to what will happen to their race when the old man dies.

Tooneyman wrote...

adneate wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

Or it could be depending on your decisions with wrex and the way you handle him say you hardened him in ME 1. They may not and end up trying to wipe you out anyway.Image IPB


That conversation has no transfer flag and is meaningless to the future of the series, the only flag pertaining to Wrex is whether he lives or not. Conversations with him will not have any affect on anything he says during the sequel and therefore will have no consequences in ME3.


Yeah, but the problem is its there. Thats the problem. This opens up the doors to those plot holes from the guys at the fight the plot thread and no I don't want them in here. Its just makes you Image IPB, but i do see what your saying, but at the same time. Its there, Bioware should have really thought about that before they stuck it in. Like we wouldn't notice it. Image IPB


True enough, although I think that the person of Wrex would put the wellbeing of his people before some personal business.

NICKjnp wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Really? Because I thought it was video game... I pay for an adventure. Not someone telling me doing the right thing is the wrong choice.


You paid for an experience. You paid for a game to have fun with and Bioware gave you that. They also told you there were going to be concequences to all your actions whether good or bad. They also said if you were watching and reading interviews there are no right or wrong choices. The ME universe is looked at as a grey universe. Just with every action you make their is a concequence. IF you have been paying attention in the first game whether you saved the council or not you still got screwed in the second game. Sorry to say my point is made!Image IPB


Here is the thing... to me... my opinion is what I care about.  You trying to say you made a point is of no value to me... I don't care what you think.  I made a statement about what I'm expecting and what will happen if negative outcomes happens from positive choices.  So your point... is of no concern to me.  I'm done talking... come back later!


Then please, by all means go back to just playing Halo. Keep to your linear and morally obvious games, because it's people like you why we can't have nice things. It's whining like yours that keeps videogames shallow and keeps good games with good stories, such as Prince of Persia '08, from breaking through.

The same applies to most movies, I guess. Probably has something to do with people being unable to take responsibily for their actions. And here I though that was something most of us liked about the Witcher...

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As a paragon I hope the council ****s me in the ass, the Rachni get controlled again and a pissed of Cerberus screws me over.

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@Kaiser

Blah.. blah.. blah. I don't care what you have to say. Deal with it!

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NICKjnp wrote...

Really? Because I thought it was video game... I pay for an adventure. Not someone telling me doing the right thing is the wrong choice.


Maybe if you for just one moment tried to think of Mass Effect as a work of art, like a book, or a painting, instead of a petty fan-service, you'd change you mind a bit.

Sadly, with ME2 BioWare seems to be openly supporting the second approach, even without trying to disguise it, despite all Stanley Woo's comments about how the devs are the ones who dictate what's in the game, and the players must just obediently comply. To me ME2 looks like a cheap digital version of Disney Land, a knick-knackery that is hardly worth the money spent on it. It was not the impression about BioWare games I was given by ME1. I was even considering trying out Dragon Age (although normally I'm not interested in fanatsy worlds at all), but ME2 utterly discouraged me from doing so.

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That's being completely silly considering they were made by different development houses.

Oh and not a single Paragon decision bit you in the ass in ME1 not ONE.

Even gassing the colonists is far easier than shooting them.

So while of course I would like more moral ambiguity this trend started in ME1.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 05 juillet 2010 - 11:26 .


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Zulu_DFA wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Really? Because I thought it was video game... I pay for an adventure. Not someone telling me doing the right thing is the wrong choice.


Maybe if you for just one moment tried to think of Mass Effect as a work of art, like a book, or a painting, instead of a petty fan-service, you'd change you mind a bit.

Sadly, with ME2 BioWare seems to be openly supporting the second approach, even without trying to disguise it, despite all Stanley Woo's comments about how the devs are the ones who dictate what's in the game, and the players must just obediently comply. To me ME2 looks like a cheap digital version of Disney Land, a knick-knackery that is hardly worth the money spent on it. It was not the impression about BioWare games I was given by ME1. I was even considering trying out Dragon Age (although normally I'm not interested in fanatsy worlds at all), but ME2 utterly discouraged me from doing so.


If that is how you view it... then don't play it.

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Really, Zulu, you hated the game that much? I agree totally that the writing when it concerns the main plot is pretty bad on reflection. However the game was fun to play I thought, it was well acted and put together. I enjoyed myself.



Are you sure you aren't just getting carried away with yourself there?

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Developers deciding what goes into their game? MADNESS



Also Baldur's Gate? The sequel willingly rejects some of hte outcomes of the first game.



And since when as playing as a Renegade were I told that what I was doing was wrong? Both outcomes look exactly the same. Do I really care about those cameos, is it so much better that Helena shows up? If she's dead she's dead and I couldn't give a damn.

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Helena will give you the loving in ME3.

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Sadly this has devolved into "my opinion supersedes yours" arguments.  Evacuate!

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InvaderErl wrote...

Helena will give you the loving in ME3.


Bioware:  Appeasing all sexual appetites

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NICKjnp wrote...

Sadly this has devolved into "my opinion supersedes yours" arguments.  Evacuate!


Its just that when I come back every single damn thread!

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We've been lost in your absence.



There's not nearly been enough Hudson pics.

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Sadly I would post Hudson picks in approval, but I would probably get perma'd on the next offense

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When Hudson pics are outlawed only outlaws with post Hudson pics.

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Shandepared wrote...

Really, Zulu, you hated the game that much? I agree totally that the writing when it concerns the main plot is pretty bad on reflection. However the game was fun to play I thought, it was well acted and put together. I enjoyed myself.

Are you sure you aren't just getting carried away with yourself there?


I played ME1 through more than a dozen times and it got better with every playthrough. I played ME2 5 times and it was worse every time.

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Sadly I would post Hudson picks in approval, but I would probably get perma'd on the next offense


Game over man!
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If you really hate ME2 that much Zula, why keep replaying it?

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Really, Zulu, you hated the game that much? I agree totally that the writing when it concerns the main plot is pretty bad on reflection. However the game was fun to play I thought, it was well acted and put together. I enjoyed myself.

Are you sure you aren't just getting carried away with yourself there?


I played ME1 through more than a dozen times and it got better with every playthrough. I played ME2 5 times and it was worse every time.


The game is good, it's just the player. Everyone can't be pleased.

Played ME1 through two times, only liked the epic ending otherwise it was bit ''meh''.

ME2 going on with 11th playthrough now and still loving it. :whistle:

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I think that one of the biggest problems with morality system is you don't have to sacrifice anything to choose paragon every time. Most people would love to always do what's right in real life, but can't because it has a price. I would like it if the Rachni turned on Shepard, or if you lose another ally as a result of recruiting them.  If you get an ally out of sparing the queen, but nothing out of killing it, the decision is meaningless.

Modifié par bobobo878, 06 juillet 2010 - 12:04 .


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Personally, I think a better consequence to a paragon choice would be for Shiala and the colonists at Zhu's Hope to morph into a new Thorian. Who knows what happened to those spores when the Thorian died? It might be a back-up means of propogating itself. Shiala has already turned green for reasons unknown, and we know the colonists are still having strange symptoms.

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That's what I've been saying for months, Shiala's spores are going to possess her and than she'll use Shepard's blood to fertilize the new growth.