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[Onyx Jaguar]

Now that would be interesting

[InvaderErl]

bobobo878 wrote...

That's what I've been saying for months, Shiala's spores are going to possess her and than she'll use Shepard's blood to fertilize the new growth.

Or some other bodily fluid.

[maegi46]

Renegade or Paragon, the result is the same, you save the universe from certain destruction. That's the only point that matters. The logic some of you have used has both made me laugh and made me thankful that none of you will EVER be in political power to make decisions about whole races. For instance, to say the Rachni should have been eradicated because they MIGHT get indoctrinated again or they may develop as a race and decide for themselves to wage a war is ludicrous. That means all races should be eradicated. Saren was a Turian, he got indoctrinated, so let's kill all Turians, yeah screw the Turians, drop a nuke on their home world and call it a day. The Keepers were indoctrinated but later grew to resist the Reaper's orders, but who cares? They were indoctrinated once, kill em all!! Geth, at least half of them were heretics, ie, indoctrinated, so kill all of them as well. Let's not forget that the Protheans were not only indoctrinated but then genetically altered into becoming bee like slaves known as Collectors, we don't have to kill them though. They are already dead.

My point is anyone and any race can be indoctrinated. So killing an entire race for that reason is stupid beyond comprehension to me. Look at real life for a minute. How do cult leaders ever get a cult or have any power, because some humans have no self esteem or are so weak willed and "indoctrinated" they let some idiot with a God complex dictate how they live and think. Does that mean all humans would do the same and should be killed? If I need to answer that for you quit reading please.



I chose to save the Rachni even though 90% of the game I played as a renegade. I believe labelling us as paragon or renegade is silly. I make choices depending on each situation. If I'm dealing with a crime lord or a scumbag that had no qualms killing others or getting them addicted to red sand or whatever other evil BS they might have done, then I have no qualms punching, threatening or killing them to get answers to save the "good" people. I still saved the galaxy as did the rest of you that finished the game.



The Rachni will eventually help us , I assume in ME3 since it didn't happen in 2 , only a message from the queen stating they will help against the Reapers. That's good enough for me. Maybe we will get a Rachni squad member in 3, or perhaps they will come in full force. Shrugs. We shall see.

[Docbrown777]

bobobo878 wrote...

I think that one of the biggest problems with morality system is you don't have to sacrifice anything to choose paragon every time. Most people would love to always do what's right in real life, but can't because it has a price. I would like it if the Rachni turned on Shepard, or if you lose another ally as a result of recruiting them.  If you get an ally out of sparing the queen, but nothing out of killing it, the decision is meaningless.

This is a good point.  Example:  The first time through ME1 I saved the queen.  Why?  Because Liara was in my squad and she argued that it was an imoral choice.  I at the time I was trying to fall in love with her and was afraid killing the queen would result in Liara being pissed and rejecting me. 

In the end it seems whatever you choose it doesn't affect how she or other squad mates think of you in the long run.

Alternativly regarding the queen Wrex basically told me to kill the b!tch and if he had been in my squad the first time through I probably would have listen to him. 

[FuturePasTimeCE]

dude, how about another species... the rachni could actually be legitimate allies, providing future assistance...

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Shandepared wrote...

maegi46 wrote...

For instance, to say the Rachni should have been eradicated because they MIGHT get indoctrinated again or they may develop as a race and decide for themselves to wage a war is ludicrous. That means all races should be eradicated.

Every time I see this stupid, idoitic, brain dead, moron argument I feel like strangling someone.

 i wouldn't mind if you strangled me, I might get turned on... Oooh. rude awakening... i'm obviously sarcastic, or am I... 

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:huh:remember the Rachni we're prematurely agitated, taken from their proper development thus leaving them in a infuriated state of angst (in which is why saren/benezia used them for their then altered state of psyche, their stimulated aggressive nature.)... they didn't progress into their species proper sentient psyche... it's like disturbing their puberty or something (in this case their species don't result in a stunted growth spurt, yet turn into some type of grouped rage)...  

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 06 juillet 2010 - 01:33 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Rachni Queen was a bug.

[maegi46]

Shandepared wrote...

maegi46 wrote...

For instance, to say the Rachni should have been eradicated because they MIGHT get indoctrinated again or they may develop as a race and decide for themselves to wage a war is ludicrous. That means all races should be eradicated.

Every time I see this stupid, idoitic, brain dead, moron argument I feel like strangling someone.

I made several valid points using examples, what was your point? Just throwing out an insult? Thanks troll.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Rachni Queen was a bug.

And the only good bug...

[Zulu_DFA]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Rachni Queen was a bug.

And the only good bug...

... is a debugged one.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Rachni Queen was a bug.

soooooo turians are metalic birds, qaurians are like half goat and half marine life, salarians are super smart amphibians, humans are highly intelligent monkies, krograns are overgrown lizards who're overly aggressive, and asari's are like half human half salarian or something... kligons are goat-men with too much aggression, the collectors are giant four eyed humanoid roaches, the hanar are super smart jelly fishes, the keepers are grasshopper spiders who're probably somehow amphibians and probaby smarter than the salarians... :unsure:how come there are no highly intelligent canine-fox people/elves (people who look human yet who are not evolved from monkeys)?

Mass Effect: Cosmic Evolution... 
god/"Q" Man is probably some quantum super EM spectrum being who only exist in the outter universe or some****, aside of a Membrane (M-Theory)... 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 06 juillet 2010 - 01:58 .

[PARAGON87]

It would be interesting, but it's not what would happen.

ME kept on giving negative connotations to killing the rachni queen, it was called "genocide", and the queen kept on giving you positive forgivable arguments one after another almost ad nauseum. It really made you feel bad if you made that choice.

If you saved the queen, the asari called them "an amazing people" and it's the "galaxy's benefit" that they're back.

All things pointing toward a triumphant rachni return in ME3. I have a feeling like the rohirrim marching toward Minas Tirith in RotK.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...
The rachni queen is a bio-hazard! You don't even know if she's telling the truth and you just set her free!

Not to mention, that the Queen is a size of three grizzly bears, and, judging by the litlle ones, can spew acid all over you, and use some woodoo tricks on the corpses, and might simply ambush you on your way out of the lab.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
The rachni queen is a bio-hazard! You don't even know if she's telling the truth and you just set her free!

Not to mention, that the Queen is a size of three grizzly bears, and, judging by the litlle ones, can spew acid all over you, and use some woodoo tricks on the corpses, and might simply ambush you on your way out of the lab.

imagine them being a allie against the geth, spewing acid all over their synthetic exoskeleton/armor... major benefit with the war on rogue mechs... 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 06 juillet 2010 - 02:01 .

[ADLegend21]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
The rachni queen is a bio-hazard! You don't even know if she's telling the truth and you just set her free!

Not to mention, that the Queen is a size of three grizzly bears, and, judging by the litlle ones, can spew acid all over you, and use some woodoo tricks on the corpses, and might simply ambush you on your way out of the lab.

Even the rachni know how pwoerful Asari Matriarchs are, and I doubt you'd mess witha guy who just took one and her commandoes down. Common sense.

[Zulu_DFA]

PARAGON87 wrote...
 the asari called them "an amazing people" and it's the "galaxy's benefit" that they're back.

The asari was indoctrinated, the rachni way.

[Zulu_DFA]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
The rachni queen is a bio-hazard! You don't even know if she's telling the truth and you just set her free!

Not to mention, that the Queen is a size of three grizzly bears, and, judging by the litlle ones, can spew acid all over you, and use some woodoo tricks on the corpses, and might simply ambush you on your way out of the lab.

Even the rachni know how pwoerful Asari Matriarchs are, and I doubt you'd mess witha guy who just took one and her commandoes down. Common sense.

If the guy is a naive idiot, why not? That's how ambushes work.

[Zulu_DFA]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
The rachni queen is a bio-hazard! You don't even know if she's telling the truth and you just set her free!

Not to mention, that the Queen is a size of three grizzly bears, and, judging by the litlle ones, can spew acid all over you, and use some woodoo tricks on the corpses, and might simply ambush you on your way out of the lab.

imagine them being a allie against the geth, spewing acid all over their synthetic exoskeleton/armor... major benefit with the war on rogue mechs... 

I wish Legion could have a sense of humor, and an arse. Then, I would tell him the story, and we would laugh our arses off  together.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
The rachni queen is a bio-hazard! You don't even know if she's telling the truth and you just set her free!

Not to mention, that the Queen is a size of three grizzly bears, and, judging by the litlle ones, can spew acid all over you, and use some woodoo tricks on the corpses, and might simply ambush you on your way out of the lab.

Even the rachni know how pwoerful Asari Matriarchs are, and I doubt you'd mess witha guy who just took one and her commandoes down. Common sense.

could come to terms with some type of interstellar resaerch agreement... "hey, you don't mind us buying your species biological acid from you and all for technological research and development? your biological material could be highly effective against the synthetic external surface of the geth or other HOSTILE synthetic mechs. maybe we can come to some sort of interspecies truce. a neutral agreement, and establish a nice peaceful diplomatic relationship. our deal could probably help your kind establish a economy and or a diplomatic place in the galactic alliance eventually, hopefully contributing to a greater universal good...", the sunnyside up view as to why you'd want to save the rachni queen... 

just for the record, this has nothing to do with anyone on earth (of course, nothing to read into)

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 06 juillet 2010 - 02:12 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
The rachni queen is a bio-hazard! You don't even know if she's telling the truth and you just set her free!

Not to mention, that the Queen is a size of three grizzly bears, and, judging by the litlle ones, can spew acid all over you, and use some woodoo tricks on the corpses, and might simply ambush you on your way out of the lab.

imagine them being a allie against the geth, spewing acid all over their synthetic exoskeleton/armor... major benefit with the war on rogue mechs... 

I wish Legion could have a sense of humor, and an arse. Then, I would tell him the story, and we would laugh our arses off  together.

yeah I guess... what you're hoping your sheppard could slap legion on the "arse" for something as pep talk ... "Good work out there legion *friendly slap on the ass*. Good game bro!!!", your sheppard...

[didymos1120]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
The rachni queen is a bio-hazard! You don't even know if she's telling the truth and you just set her free!

Not to mention, that the Queen is a size of three grizzly bears, and, judging by the litlle ones, can spew acid all over you, and use some woodoo tricks on the corpses, and might simply ambush you on your way out of the lab.

There was NO corpse reanimating.  That Asari was both:

a. Dying, not dead.
b. Heavily indoctrinated.

And the queen makes a point of telling you she doesn't have long to live.  Why? Because the queen sucks at singing in these low-spaces, and when that Asari's life is over, so is your conversation. Half the crap in that ME1 conversation barely makes sense.  The only reason the messenger is so coherent in ME2 is because she hung out for a good long while with the queen, and they learned to effectively communicate with each other. 

*waits for someone to advance the "Oh, but the messenger could be totally brainwashed and programmed to say all that nice stuff (you know, on the off chance she runs into Shepard and then deliberately gets Shep's attention so they can chat about the Rachni)" line of argument.  Oh, wait: it already happened:

Zulu_DFA wrote...
The asari was indoctrinated, the rachni
way.

*

Modifié par didymos1120, 06 juillet 2010 - 02:14 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

didymos1120 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
The rachni queen is a bio-hazard! You don't even know if she's telling the truth and you just set her free!

Not to mention, that the Queen is a size of three grizzly bears, and, judging by the litlle ones, can spew acid all over you, and use some woodoo tricks on the corpses, and might simply ambush you on your way out of the lab.

There was NO corpse reanimating.  That Asari was both:

a. Dying, not dead.
b. Heavily indoctrinated.

And the queen makes a point of telling you she doesn't have long to live.  Why? Because the queen sucks at singing in these low-spaces, and when that Asari's life is over, so is your conversation. Half the crap in that ME1 conversation barely makes sense.  The only reason the messenger is so coherent in ME2 is because she hung out for a good long while with the queen, and they learned to effectively communicate with each other. 

*waits for someone to advance the "Oh, but the messenger could be totally brainwashed and programmed to say all that nice stuff (you know, on the off chance she runs into Shepard and then deliberately gets Shep's attention so they can chat about the Rachni)" line of argument.  Oh, wait: it already happened.*

 I mean the Matriach Benezia/Rachni queen portion (4/4 part: Noveria  = Noveria information center/etc, Drive to the Hot Labs, Restoring Power to the hot labs, plus finally getting into the hotlabs to then encounter benezia) of Mass Effect 1 is like the only major plot hole of the game's story... but Ironically it is still entertaining and fun though to play, in a "it's just entertainment" perspective... the first half of Noveria was okay, so so... interesting level (like the first Illium, inside a giant Corporate Center with a snowy scenery for the window view)... 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 06 juillet 2010 - 02:22 .