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[JohnJSal]

I'm reading conflicting guides about rogues and whether they should max Dex, Cunning, or balance the two. It seems to be a bit of a debate for both dual-wielders and archers. What exactly does each ability affect that would make it desirable to put more points into? I've read the descriptions but the conflicting opinions each seem to say the same thing (i.e. that the particular stat they favor is the best for damage, for example). So which is it?

And is Deft Hands necessary for lockpicking/disarming, or can you do this with a high enough Cunning and no ranks in the ability?

Thanks.

[nereza]

I would balance the two. Cunning is very useful for Coercion, Lock-Picking, and Lethiality (something like that... the ability that lets rouges use their cunning score for their stregth). But Dexterity is realllyyy important, because it affects the ability to hit enemies, what kind of bows and stuff you can equip, and the dexterity bonus to damage.



As far as I know, your need lockpicking.

[nereza]

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[electricfish]

Deft Hands is pretty much a requirement if you want to do lockpicking, since it takes ten points off the required score needed to open specific levels of locks/traps. Each point of Deft Hands stacks, so you can get away with less cunning if you want to focus on being an archer, for example.



For an archer, dexterity focus is the way to go, since it benefits archery much more than strength. Dual-wielding, on the other hand, can be either cunning focused or balanced between dexterity and cunning.

Often, players focus on cunning if they want to wield weapons other than daggers, because longswords and axes use strength (and therefore cunning if you get the Lethality talent) much more than dexterity to determine damage.



A dexterity/cunning balance would be good for daggers, since as of yet, they still don't get the complete dexterity damage bonus that they're supposed to. (Patch 1.04 is supposed to do something with this.) Therefore, with Lethality, you gain the benefit of using your cunning as strength, and the dexterity bonus that daggers get compared to full-size weapons like longswords.

[Jestina]

I get the minimal amount of cunning you need as a rogue and dump everything else into dexterity. It works out well that way. You can get some awesome daggers in this game, and a high dex will keep you out of harms way most of the time.



Archery is broken in DA so I haven't messed with that much at all, other than Leli.

[JohnJSal]

Thanks guys. I'm not surprised that the difference of opinion presented itself in this thread too. I suppose I'll just have to use this information to make my own decision. I guess there isn't a definite answer to the question, since both stats affect things in a good way. (I'm mainly thinking about dual-wielding.)

[MindYerBeak]

I run Leliana with a Cunning dagger/dagger spec. No problems through the game and she sings Song of Courage through most of it which benefits the whole party. At higher levels she's quite capable of handling almost anything for a Rogue.

[AlanC9]

A pure dex build will become almost unhittable in the late game. Since you're mostly fighting outnumbered in this game, trading damage for defense is usually a good thing.

[rickcr]

I think I read in one of the major rogue build forums, that for a lethality build you want the minimum dex needed (plus fade bonuses) then dump all the rest into cunning (assuming a dual-wield dagger lethality build of course.) Then as a bard add in song of courage and it seems pretty darn powerful. I build up Lelianth the same way but add a few more in dexterity so she can use some of the good bows. Get her song of courage also and supposedly the stack. But I still hear mixed things about how cunning works with archers (I'm on a console right now. PC might be different.)



I wonder though how much I'm missing though with my dual daggers and a lower dexterity? I guess someone did the math though and it still turns out better dumping everything into cunning. I can't find the post right now.

[Zy-El]

It depends on your party makeup. If you have a tank and 2H drawing aggro, you can afford to skip Dex and the defense it gives and go with all Cun which is basically all attack. If your strategy is to dive into mobs, then Dex for Defense would be best to avoid getting hit.

Your worst enemy is still mages who can paste you regardless of your Defense and from range as well. Cunning will allow you to Stealth while in combat and take out those twitchy-fingered Mages!!!

[MindYerBeak]

It's said that Dex Rogues hit 100% of the time and never get hit. All well and good, but the question is what damage do they do? Does a Cunning Rogue dish out more damage overall than a Dex Rogue, or vise versa? From what I've read on the subject a Cunning Dagger/Dagger rogue dishes out the most damage overall. Theoretically at least. Does anyone have any stats?



I managed to crit for 490 and whacked successfully 77% of the time.

[soteria]

MindYerBeak, it's almost impossible to determine emphatically which build does more damage in normal situations without multiplayer and/or a combat log. You could do a fight, reload, respec, and do it again, but there are a LOT of variables and I don't think DA has the tools to sort through them.

Briefly, though, cunning rogues will do more damage per swing, while dex rogues hit more often.