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[Onyx Jaguar]

STG wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

STG wrote...

And this. Some of Tali fan art is so sick that after months it still lingers in my mind.

And the same goes for Liara/Garrus/Wrex.

What's your point?

In fact there is by far more Liara nasty-ness (roughly double) out there than Tali.

My point is that Liara/Garrus/Wrex are better written into the story while Tali is here only to fulfill sexual fantasies.

A rock and roll fantasy

[Chuvvy]

Tali romance was pure fan service. Everyone knows that. Same with the Garrus romance. They just didn't implement Tali that well.

[AdamNW]

Wasn't she brought back because she couldn't die and wasn't a LI?

But yeah, the LI was fanservice, but I still think it was done better than Miranda's.

Modifié par AdamNW, 06 juillet 2010 - 06:42 .

[Ecael]

Perhaps BioWare should Virmire all the remaining squadmates instead of letting any of them return, then.

It's unfair, but at least it's equally unfair to everyone!

[Chuvvy]

Ecael wrote...

Perhaps BioWare should Virmire all the remaining squadmates instead of letting any of them return, then.

It's unfair, but at least it's equally unfair to everyone!

I would be unsupprised if that happened. Cameos for everyone.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I want the Normandy shot down when ME 3 starts by the Alliance Marine where only Shepard survives then you go and run from them as they are hunting you while the Reapers are invading.



Fanservice for one? Fanservice for me.

[Chuvvy]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I want the Normandy shot down when ME 3 starts by the Alliance Marine where only Shepard survives then you go and run from them as they are hunting you while the Reapers are invading.

Fanservice for one? Fanservice for me.

And you hide out on some random planet while the reapers destroy everything. And then you have to repopulate the galaxy with knuckle children. An interesting end to the Mass Effect trilogy.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Slidell505 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I want the Normandy shot down when ME 3 starts by the Alliance Marine where only Shepard survives then you go and run from them as they are hunting you while the Reapers are invading.

Fanservice for one? Fanservice for me.

And you hide out on some random planet while the reapers destroy everything. And then you have to repopulate the galaxy with knuckle children. An interesting end to the Mass Effect trilogy.

Thats just one of the options.  Choices remember!  Choices!

The other is hunting down the Alliance Marine while dallying about as the Kohr-Ah come into the galaxy and wipe out all sentient race while the Reapers are themsevles dallying about

[Ecael]

Slidell505 wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Perhaps BioWare should Virmire all the remaining squadmates instead of letting any of them return, then.

It's unfair, but at least it's equally unfair to everyone!

I would be unsupprised if that happened. Cameos for everyone.

Well, at least no one would say BioWare was playing favorites.

Problem solved!

[withateethuh]

I actually like that they gave Tali more of a personality in ME2. She stands out more.



However, what they did to Liara..

[DanielJr]

More Tali in ME3, please!

[Siansonea]

DanielJr wrote...

More Tali in ME3, please!

...and more gratuitous shots of her rear end, right? OMG, I bet her face is like, the hottest face you can imagine!!!

I do not miss puberty at all. <_<

[zvbxrpl]

See, I think the fact that Tali remains largely unchanged is actually a big, unstated part of her popularity.
 
ME2 is the trilogy's middle volume, and is therefore given free reign to be dark and leave loose ends (see also: The Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight). The returning characters are largely not the people you knew--Garrus is harder-edged and more violent, Ash/Kaidan hates you, and Liara has done a total 180 from innocent researcher to obsessed investigator (admittedly, this last one was not executed well, but as someone who romanced Liara, I understand that, had they gotten it right, we would have seen weapons-grade heartbreak of the best kind). Wrex is doing pretty well, but you hardly see him. A lot of the new squadmates are drawn from grimmer, more squalid slices of galactic life.
 
Then in comes Tali, who's basically the same girl you've always known. She hasn't been broken or hardened in the way your old friends have, and she's a lot happier and/or less morally ambiguous than the majority of your squadmates. In short, she's one of the few points of light in a very dark chapter of Shepard's life. And that is a big part of her appeal. Yes, she's a shy, vulnerable, nerdy girl with a nice behind, but I'd say that BioWare put her in for more reasons than just that.

EDITED BECAUSE PARAGRAPH BREAKS ARE YOUR FRIEND.

Modifié par zvbxrpl, 06 juillet 2010 - 08:31 .

[Bhatair]

I'm inclined to agree.

In ME1 Tali being on the team felt natural. She brought the evidence that got Saren canned, she had insights into the nature of the geth, and she filled the "tech character" role. Whatever it was in ME1 that turned her into such an object of desire is lost on me though. There's more sexual tension between a femshep and Ashley in my opinion.

"Dismissed, Chief."

"Ma'am."

It bothers me that her conversations in ME2 seem similar to her conversations in ME1, and unless you romance her that's all you get.

Most of all though, I'm bothered by the fact that completely cop out the romance with antibiotics and 'herbal supplements'.

[zvbxrpl]

Bhatair wrote...
Most of all though, I'm bothered by the fact that completely cop out the romance with antibiotics and 'herbal supplements'.

That actually baffled me.  First, it makes the Quarian immune system much less of a big, insurmountable problem.  Second, she's out of her suit *before she goes through the Omega 4 relay.*  Because if there's one thing that'll really give us the edge against the Collectors, it's a tech specialist who's having the dry heaves every five minutes.

[ObserverStatus]

Ecael wrote...

Perhaps BioWare should Virmire all the remaining squadmates instead of letting any of them return, then.

It's unfair, but at least it's equally unfair to everyone!

Are you thinking of something like the opening of Alien 3?

[Vena_86]

Siansonea II wrote...

We got a few butt-shots of Jacob too, don't forget. I think Miranda and Jacob were BioWare's naive idea that fans of this genre might actually be attracted to human characters.

Well, scifi fans are not the target audience anymore for the franchise. It happens to be the same target audience as for other best sellers...

[Siansonea]

zvbxrpl wrote...
In short, she's one of the few points of light in a very dark chapter of Shepard's life. And that is a big part of her appeal. Yes, she's a shy, vulnerable, nerdy girl with a nice behind, but I'd say that BioWare put her in for more reasons than just that.

I think I'm going to barf. Frickin' adolescent fantasy. I wish grownups were playing this game.

And no, Tali exists solely to be the object of adolescent fantasy, there is no other reason for her existence. BioWare shrewdly inserted this character into the game, knowing that if Tali could give all those 'misunderstood' adolescent boys out there a boner, they would keep buying subsequent chapters in the game. That's why she has those massive hips, that tiny waist, those perky-but-not-intimidating boobies, and the gask mask to cover up a face that might be too 'specific' if it were shown outright. It's not rocket science, it's easy to see the formula in action. And manipulating the male libido has been a commercial staple for millennia, there's very little guesswork to it at this point.

[lazuli]

mrsph wrote...

You know which romance caters to an adolescent fantasy? All of them. Every single love interest.

I think the speed at which you can breeze through the romances in this game lends itself to what you're labeling "adolescent fantasy."

[Inquisitor Recon]

Where was the renegade moment option on Freedom's Progress when meeting Tali. Shepard's was MIA for two years, he wants blood, he needs to shoot something else than a robot at that point.

Siansonea II you are so cruel... and it amuses me greatly. At least with Garrus the romance is largely due to FemShep being freaky like that, but with Tali it is as if she was stalking you all along!

Oh and I support the cactus romance idea somebody offered.

[Siansonea]

mrsph wrote...

You know which romance caters to an adolescent fantasy? All of them. Every single love interest.

I'd say that's probably true. If they catered to grown-up fantasy, there would be a lot more depth and a lot less "OMG ur so hot lets have the secks". There would be quiet moments at random times and places, even inopportune ones. Romance isn't quite so cut-and-dried in reality.

And if they were going for realism, there would be characters who you aren't interested in who would cop an attitude, or want to leave, or otherwise cause drama if you turn them down. There wouldn't be an 'off' switch to the romance on their side. For ManShep, Tali would try to sabotage his relationship with Miranda and spy on him, Jack would try to kill Miranda or Tali, and Kelly would be snooping in his quarters looking for clues that he Hit That. Of course Miranda would not care, she would just think less of Shepard for going for a twit like Tali or an emotional train wreck like Jack. For Femshep, Jacob would be up in her face telling her that screwing turians/drell is some sick sh!t, Garrus would give her the cold shoulder, and Thane would quietly meditate in the Life Support bay...oh wait..