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[Siansonea]

ReconTeam wrote...
Siansonea II you are so cruel... and it amuses me greatly.

Little ole me? *blushes*

[Si-Shen]

I don't know if I woiuld concider her forced, she is one of only a couple tangible connections so Sheperds past, even the cameo for Liera was dark and distant. As for the romance, frankly it came down to the fact I could not stand either Miranda's self-pitty for being "perfect" and Jack's cocky attitude, even after their "changes" when you complete the loyalty missions. Niether frankly appealed to me.

Tali appeals to me because she felt far more real, besides, I can tell you right now, women that act like either Jack or Miranda in RL, are the ones I just smile and node to and walk away from. They are never worth the trouble.

[Siansonea]

Si-Shen wrote...

I don't know if I woiuld concider her forced, she is one of only a couple tangible connections so Sheperds past, even the cameo for Liera was dark and distant. As for the romance, frankly it came down to the fact I could not stand either Miranda's self-pitty for being "perfect" and Jack's cocky attitude, even after their "changes" when you complete the loyalty missions. Niether frankly appealed to me.
Tali appeals to me because she felt far more real, besides, I can tell you right now, women that act like either Jack or Miranda in RL, are the ones I just smile and node to and walk away from. They are never worth the trouble.

Yeah, and I'm sure the Jacks and Mirandas out there are lining up to throw themselves at your feet, aren't they? Way to exercise that self-control dude. You hold out for those plucky heroines who need rescuing by a Big Strong Man.

Am I the only one who finds Tali somewhat dysfunctional? Any girl who would literally risk her life to 'please her man' is kinda codependent if you ask me.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Siansonea II wrote...

Si-Shen wrote...

I don't know if I woiuld concider her forced, she is one of only a couple tangible connections so Sheperds past, even the cameo for Liera was dark and distant. As for the romance, frankly it came down to the fact I could not stand either Miranda's self-pitty for being "perfect" and Jack's cocky attitude, even after their "changes" when you complete the loyalty missions. Niether frankly appealed to me.
Tali appeals to me because she felt far more real, besides, I can tell you right now, women that act like either Jack or Miranda in RL, are the ones I just smile and node to and walk away from. They are never worth the trouble.

Yeah, and I'm sure the Jacks and Mirandas out there are lining up to throw themselves at your feet, aren't they? Way to exercise that self-control dude. You hold out for those plucky heroines who need rescuing by a Big Strong Man.

Am I the only one who finds Tali somewhat dysfunctional? Any girl who would literally risk her life to 'please her man' is kinda codependent if you ask me.

 what the hell are you even talking about? jack and miranda are way more touchy than Vas Normandy's character... 

[FourSixEight]

mrsph wrote...

You know which romance caters to an adolescent fantasy? All of them. Every single love interest.

You evidently haven't heard of Samara. She provides fanservice, but she's the only pseudo-LI to actively reject Shepard's interests.

[Siansonea]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Si-Shen wrote...

I don't know if I woiuld concider her forced, she is one of only a couple tangible connections so Sheperds past, even the cameo for Liera was dark and distant. As for the romance, frankly it came down to the fact I could not stand either Miranda's self-pitty for being "perfect" and Jack's cocky attitude, even after their "changes" when you complete the loyalty missions. Niether frankly appealed to me.
Tali appeals to me because she felt far more real, besides, I can tell you right now, women that act like either Jack or Miranda in RL, are the ones I just smile and node to and walk away from. They are never worth the trouble.

Yeah, and I'm sure the Jacks and Mirandas out there are lining up to throw themselves at your feet, aren't they? Way to exercise that self-control dude. You hold out for those plucky heroines who need rescuing by a Big Strong Man.

Am I the only one who finds Tali somewhat dysfunctional? Any girl who would literally risk her life to 'please her man' is kinda codependent if you ask me.

 what the hell are you even talking about? jack and miranda are way more touchy than Vas Normandy's character... 

Oh, you don't understand what I'm trying to say. I guess that means I'm just spouting nonsense. It couldn't possibly be that you're being deliberately obtuse. Oh no, never that.

I think I've been remarkable direct and clear in my opinions on the subject. Quarians as a whole I can deal with, Tali as a hole I find insufferable. What needs clarification?

[Siansonea]

FourSixEight wrote...

mrsph wrote...

You know which romance caters to an adolescent fantasy? All of them. Every single love interest.

You evidently haven't heard of Samara. She provides fanservice, but she's the only pseudo-LI to actively reject Shepard's interests.

(and I LOVE her for that!)

[zvbxrpl]

Siansonea II wrote...

zvbxrpl wrote...
In short, she's one of the few points of light in a very dark chapter of Shepard's life. And that is a big part of her appeal. Yes, she's a shy, vulnerable, nerdy girl with a nice behind, but I'd say that BioWare put her in for more reasons than just that.

I think I'm going to barf. Frickin' adolescent fantasy. I wish grownups were playing this game.

And no, Tali exists solely to be the object of adolescent fantasy, there is no other reason for her existence. BioWare shrewdly inserted this character into the game, knowing that if Tali could give all those 'misunderstood' adolescent boys out there a boner, they would keep buying subsequent chapters in the game. That's why she has those massive hips, that tiny waist, those perky-but-not-intimidating boobies, and the gask mask to cover up a face that might be too 'specific' if it were shown outright. It's not rocket science, it's easy to see the formula in action. And manipulating the male libido has been a commercial staple for millennia, there's very little guesswork to it at this point.

Eh.  I'm so used to fanservice in video games that I sort of don't notice how blatant it is sometimes.  And FWIW, I rejected Tali's advances because I felt kinda like Shep would be taking advantage of her crush and risking her health in the process.  That being said, I really think you're seeing only what the worse Talimancers see, except that you don't like it  and they do. I'd side with you on the fanservice aspect, but I find Tali's hopefulness and intellectual curiosity genuinely likeable, and the Shepards most like me would never sleep with her, but would want to be her friend.

[Tirigon]

What´s wrong with having Tali as Fanservice? If people enjoy having her, it´s good she´s there. If you don´t, ignore her. As a squaddie in fights she´s useless anyways, and you are not forced to talk to her if you don´t want.

[FourSixEight]

Tirigon wrote...

What´s wrong with having Tali as Fanservice? If people enjoy having her, it´s good she´s there. If you don´t, ignore her. As a squaddie in fights she´s useless anyways, and you are not forced to talk to her if you don´t want.

Well, she's useful in a few missions. Ironically she would have been THE most useful in her own recruitment mission, but other than that, her Energy Drain makes Overlord a lot easier. Combat Drone is also good crowd control until you get Legion.

I think it's because of the fact that we're not facing as many synthetic enemies as we did in ME1. Tali was a great squadmember in ME1 because she could provide all the tech support you'd need for getting loot and destroying geth enemies. But in ME2, you don't always face them, so her combat usefulness sadly diminished.

[Tirigon]

jojimbo wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Honestly, Miranda felt like the character that was meant to be blatant fanservice. Pretty much every conversation with that woman has some random shot that focuses on her ass.

that made me chuckle,overdosed on mirandas ass and ****** forced on me.

however lets not forget that IF tali took that mask off she is butt ugly,
prolly no teeth,rotting lips all dribbled out and i bet her breath stinks

Why?

According to various fan art with sexual content (Rule 34....) she has not; on the contrary, she looks quite similar to asari. Only a LOT more appalling, imo

[Felfenix]

mrsph wrote...

FourSixEight wrote...

mrsph wrote...

You know which romance caters to an adolescent fantasy? All of them. Every single love interest.

You evidently haven't heard of Samara. She provides fanservice, but she's the only pseudo-LI to actively reject Shepard's interests.

And guess which character is getting a lot of demand to be made full fledged romance in Mass Effect 3. If the people on this forum had it their way the entire game would be a dating sim.

ME3 will add sex costumes for Shep and the squadmates. The devs heard "We want more RPG." and saw all the massively popular romance-character support threads. They came to the logical conclusion about what kind of roleplaying game most ME fans wanted more of...

Modifié par Felfenix, 06 juillet 2010 - 11:23 .

[Bhatair]

Tirigon wrote...

jojimbo wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Honestly, Miranda felt like the character that was meant to be blatant fanservice. Pretty much every conversation with that woman has some random shot that focuses on her ass.

that made me chuckle,overdosed on mirandas ass and ****** forced on me.

however lets not forget that IF tali took that mask off she is butt ugly,
prolly no teeth,rotting lips all dribbled out and i bet her breath stinks

Why?

According to various fan art with sexual content (Rule 34....) she has not; on the contrary, she looks quite similar to asari. Only a LOT more appalling, imo

Quarians don't shower
Oh wait, they can just pop some antibiotics, nevermind.

[FourSixEight]

Felfenix wrote...

mrsph wrote...

FourSixEight wrote...

mrsph wrote...

You know which romance caters to an adolescent fantasy? All of them. Every single love interest.

You evidently haven't heard of Samara. She provides fanservice, but she's the only pseudo-LI to actively reject Shepard's interests.

And guess which character is getting a lot of demand to be made full fledged romance in Mass Effect 3. If the people on this forum had it their way the entire game would be a dating sim.

ME3 will add sex costumes for Shep and the squadmates. The devs heard "We want more RPG." and saw all the massively popular romance-character support threads. They came to the logical conclusion about what kind of roleplaying game most ME fans wanted more of...

Yeeaahhhh....that's  probably  not going to happen.

Modifié par FourSixEight, 06 juillet 2010 - 11:26 .

[InvaderErl]

If you want to get into it, the Asari race is blatant fan-service.

A female, hot alien blue race that is sexually liberal.

You even had the option of having a quickie with one without any consequences.

As I pointed out Han Solo/Leia was fan service.

Fan service when done well is not a bad thing and obviously gauging by fan reaction save for a small minority they did a good job implementing it.

Siansonea II wrote...

zvbxrpl wrote...
In short, she's one of the few points of light in a very dark chapter of Shepard's life. And that is a big part of her appeal. Yes, she's a shy, vulnerable, nerdy girl with a nice behind, but I'd say that BioWare put her in for more reasons than just that.

I think I'm going to barf. Frickin' adolescent fantasy. I wish grownups were playing this game.

And no, Tali exists solely to be the object of adolescent fantasy, there is no other reason for her existence. BioWare shrewdly inserted this character into the game, knowing that if Tali could give all those 'misunderstood' adolescent boys out there a boner, they would keep buying subsequent chapters in the game. That's why she has those massive hips, that tiny waist, those perky-but-not-intimidating boobies, and the gask mask to cover up a face that might be too 'specific' if it were shown outright. It's not rocket science, it's easy to see the formula in action. And manipulating the male libido has been a commercial staple for millennia, there's very little guesswork to it at this point.

I love how absolutely determined you are not to leave anybody alone, even when the posters actually tried talking around you.

How you feel you MUST enlighten the sexual deviants to their status as perverts and that THIS is your ordained mission.

You really need to get over yourself, this complusive obsession of yours to continually rag on a harmless group of people is long past being silly.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 06 juillet 2010 - 11:49 .

[Stanley Woo]

there are already threads discussing Tali (for example, the Tali thread in the classes, Characters and Builds forum). Thank you.



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