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[ShadowFaction]

Finished it twice now, loved it!



I especially liked the soundtrack, the theme playing in the opening segment was especially great, it fit the mood so perfectly, I did not want to proceed.



I also enjoyed the fun, if shallow and a bit unrevealing, look into Leliana's history prior to the events of Origins proper. Although I didn't really learn a whole bunch about her, I can safely say I look at Leliana a bit differently, though not in a negative way, compared to how I saw her before. I used to hate playing a rogue, because of the damage issues on the consoles, but LS has given me a little bit of insight into how that world REALLY works, its just too bad the Warden didn't get to experience that type of world, especially 'The Game' itself(Or maybe they did, depending on how you look at things...).



One real criticism, is its short and... thats about it. Kinda...glitchy, on the PS3 at least, the framerate takes a a substantial hit compared to the rest of the game in standard, but thats a very minor flaw in a relatively great DLC, I plan to play it many more times.

[Mozadon]

any "real" replay value to this DLC?

[Teddie Sage]

Finished it twice for the trophies.

Way too short. Disappointed. I wanted to see some "bard" moments too.

It was all about assassinations, crimes and the betrayal story between Leliana and Marjolaine.

So I guess you can't call this a spoiler.

[kraidy1117]

My major complaint and this was what ruined it for me was her backstory was changed. It was nothing like we where told. I think the writer was not Leli's writer or even wrote in DAO. The gameplay was strong, good VA and music, but the backstory was changed too much, no Orlais . In all I give it 3 stars.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 07 juillet 2010 - 05:41 .

[Teddie Sage]

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Modifié par Teddie Sage, 07 juillet 2010 - 05:47 .

[LPPrince]

I especially loved the character intros with the blood dragon splatter.



Amazing. Would love to see that again in future DLC's or even main installments.

[kraidy1117]

LPPrince wrote...

I especially loved the character intros with the blood dragon splatter.

Amazing. Would love to see that again in future DLC's or even main installments.

You want to see established backstories changed and destoryed?

[LPPrince]

kraidy1117 wrote...

My major complaint and this was what ruined it for me was her backstory was changed. It was nothing like we where told. I think the writer was not Leli's writer or even wrote in DAO. The gameplay was strong, good VA and music, but the backstory was changed too much, no Orlais . In all I give it 3 stars.

Did you miss the part where we know its Leliana telling the story, and bards always put a twist on their stories or change things up to spice it up a bit?

[kraidy1117]

LPPrince wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

My major complaint and this was what ruined it for me was her backstory was changed. It was nothing like we where told. I think the writer was not Leli's writer or even wrote in DAO. The gameplay was strong, good VA and music, but the backstory was changed too much, no Orlais . In all I give it 3 stars.

Did you miss the part where we know its Leliana telling the story, and bards always put a twist on their stories or change things up to spice it up a bit?

I don't care. The only reason why is because Bioware got lazy and decided to use Fereldan again.

[LPPrince]

kraidy1117 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

My major complaint and this was what ruined it for me was her backstory was changed. It was nothing like we where told. I think the writer was not Leli's writer or even wrote in DAO. The gameplay was strong, good VA and music, but the backstory was changed too much, no Orlais . In all I give it 3 stars.

Did you miss the part where we know its Leliana telling the story, and bards always put a twist on their stories or change things up to spice it up a bit?

I don't care. The only reason why is because Bioware got lazy and decided to use Fereldan again.

Really? You're going to take a shot at them when we knew it was going to be like this for a while?

[Ferocious7]

really fun dlc, keep it up bioware    =)

Modifié par Ferocious7, 07 juillet 2010 - 05:57 .

[LPPrince]

Ferocious7 wrote...

really fun dlc, keep it up bioware    =)

I agree. I've played it 2 1/2 times today.

The half time because I made a mistake. lol

[cluelessnewbie]

I'm a sucker for any DLC but this one was great. Loved the cinematic moments, the strong narrative and especially the music. Kept the mood going all the way through the game. I think the real world reason for the difference in Leliana's story between Origins and here is that it would have been impossible to have the DLC happen in Orlais due to production constraints. We would have only been able to see the inside of a few buildings and that would be disappointing to say the least. So, to explain the change we're told that Leliana embilleshes her story with each version, and that was good enough for me.

[Darth Drago]

** Edited from my original posting to remove potential spoilers. I think I got them all, sorry if I missed one or two. Not like there really was a lot I guess. **

I’m likely to take a lot of flak for this since I’m probably in the minority on my views for this.

Sorry but this thing is not all that impressive. Yet again with BioWare downloads/expansions I’m disappointed. Honestly is this the best they can come up with? This thing is nothing but a mild diversion that does not even follow what we are told by Leliana as what even happened. I honestly think Darkspawn Chronicles is more fun than this thing. Even Leliana fans might find themselves scratching their head at why they bough this with all the odd twists to the story as told and what we get.

Good:
-A cameo appearance by **** was nice.

-A few interesting things in dialog hinting at how she chooses her new hair style you see in Origins.

-The companions are as usual a good group.

Bad:
-More than once did I find my sword and dagger mysteriously unequipped for no reason.

-Dialog glitches where Leliana or others are supposed to say something but all you get is the subtitles. Playtesters are obviously not used by BioWare anymore for anything they make.

-Revisiting the same locations in Denerim as well as Forlorn Cove from Awakenings is nothing but boring. I guess creating actual new locations to do these missions in would be to much to ask. You know someplace where this story was supposed to have actually have happened in, Orlais. Even seeing the same bodies in the dungeon was lame.

-Why even use the leveling for skills if you cant use most of them? Cant make potions or traps. You can choose Coercion but its pointless since you have no influence over anyone.

-To short to be really enjoyable. Playtime for this is really bad. I clocked in at just over 4 hours and I had the game on pause for a lot of that time. I would be willing to bet you could beat this in about an hour or an hour and a half at the most.

-Why is ***** weapon turned into a gift instead of a standard weapon? There is only two options who you would give it to, Leliana and ****. You get more gifts in Darkspawn Chronicles than this single one in this download. So why even have it turn into as a gift?

Very bad:
-Wasn’t Leliana captured in Orlais and imprisoned there? Not to mention the betrayal quest here doesn’t match what she tells us what happened in the DAO. She was sent to kill a man and retrieve papers on him but she opened them. Marjolaine turned her in to the Orlaisian guards not this lame attempt of a story and how it unfolds.

-Does anyone pay attention to what is established in the main game for these downloads and expansions?

The Questionable:
-The comic/cartoon like pause and splash of red we get when your introduced to each character you meet of importance. It was interesting when it first happens at the beginning but not through out the whole story. Did Quentin Tarantino direct this?

-The new combat music is nice and new but is almost annoying since a fight can be rather short so you sometimes don’t get to hear it.

-Tug, Sketch, Lem? Couldn’t think up better names? I know it’s a little thing but they still seems like cheesy names. “Tug on my finger please.” “Lets Sketch a new character design.” “Anyone want some Lemonade to drink while we think of names. Hmm lemon.. Hey, Mon! No that wont work.. Nades? No good either.. Lem!”. Larry, Moe and Curly would have been better, well maybe not...

-Climbing up into the estate really means climbing down into the dungeons?

-Getting tossed into the dungeon with your armor on?

-Seeing a chest full of your gear in a room that **** is a prisoner in. Makes sense to keep the weapons and their armor in the same room as the prisoners right?

-Seeing Marjolaine and Leliana’s relationship together was decent but it should have been expanded on a hell of a lot more that what we see here.

-Battledress of the Provocateur is kind of nice. To bad it looks exactly like most of the other armor we already get and its only the base armor and not a whole set. Why not make it look like the concept art armor you see her in?
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/File:Leliana_Concept_Art.jpg

This gets a 3 out of 10. It adds nothing really to the actual main game (DAO) beyond adding a piece of armor and a messed up version of a story we pretty much already knew.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 07 juillet 2010 - 06:28 .

[Boombox]

hmm I might pick it up but I'm still pretty cut up about how much of a complete waste DC was... *rage*

[Gnoster]

I think it is just a matter of personal preferences really.



I did wonder at first why it didn't take place in Orlais, but after a couple of minutes it didn't really matter that much. So she didn't tell the exact truth in DAO or something, no that important to me personally.



From a purely finansial view I understand why they reused existing areas, and even that didn't matter much to me because the story was well written (to me at least).



The blood splatter introduction of characters was to me awesome, and I was in fact thinking of Quentin Tarantino everytime it happened. And since I am a huge fan of his work, this worked very well for me.



Also after playing a lot of Origins, listening to some new music was pleasent - I wish one could bring it into Origins. Anyone know if it's possible to access / download?



I could go on, but doesn't really matter much. All in all it's a matter of how perfect you want a game. If you're not looking for extreme perfection and every storyline holding up 100%, but some good fun for a measly 4 euros, then you should buy this. For me it was great fun.

[pagerunner]

This is absolutely the kind of approach to DLC I'd like to see continue. I love that it was story & character-focused, not just a little extra hack-and-slash, and fully voiced -- hurrah! I'd been quietly hoping for something like this. Now I'm less quietly hoping for more.



I'm also not sure I'm getting over Bann Perrin and the Suspect Underthings anytime soon, either. Sounds like an appalling band name, doesn't it? Oh help.





....and if you'll forgive me the digression, now I'm imagining this happening in DA:O somewhere:



Party: *walks up to board outside the Denerim Chantry*

Leliana: *starts snickering quietly to herself*

Shale: Ah. Now it is laughing over a board hammered into the ground. The human tendency for mockery of supposedly inanimate objects continues unabated, I see.

Leliana: Oh, no, Shale, it isn't that at all. I was merely--

Morrigan: Finding these pathetic charity cases to be laughable? If even our supposedly devoted sister has seen the truth of it at last, why are we wasting our time here?

Leliana: They are not _laughable_, Morrigan. Many of these are worthy causes. I was only... remembering something.

Morrigan: Of course. And now for the insufferable story of the oh-so-humorous time she answered the call of one of these unfortunates, giving unselfishly of herself to rescue a poor, helpless creature from a tree, only to see it relieve itself upon the head of--

Shale: I would advise the mage to choose another target for its mockery, lest I be forced to squish its tiny little head.

Morrigan: I was speaking metaphorically.

Leliana: In any case, you're quite off the mark. Believe it or not, it was something I did to this very board, back in my day....

Morrigan: You? Dare I ask and be subjected to another interminable bard's tale?

Leliana: Ah, Morrigan. There are some stories even I cannot be compelled to tell you. But I will say that a rather terrifying codpiece was involved. And no, you do NOT want to know how I acquired it.

Morrigan: I... believe I'm willing to take your word for that, this once.

[Noir201]

Must say, this was a fantasic little gem, the new music was breathtaking, enjoyed every min of it, and the look lel gives marjolaine at the end..... she was my fav char in the game, now she one of my fav female chars in gaming history.

Haven't got much to fault about it, and tbh, i don't know why Bioware hasn't done this sooner, instead of wasting six months on awfull dlc since origins came out, and did content like to this to start with.

Love leliana before this dlc, she become better thanks to this.

[Nattvardsgasterna]

This DLC is an inconsistent, lazy garbage for blind DA fanboys and slaves to the milking system. But at least it was obvious from the trailer.



Go on and buy the cheap excuses.

[Velvetmeds]

you've gotta be crazy to say this was better than awakening, rofl. that's just not being able to resist fanservice

[Massadonious1]

I too am also offended that someone who wasn't me bought a luxury product.

[RedRouteOne]

I liked this DLC but I enjoyed Awakening more because, for as much as I like Leliana, and I do, I like the Grey Wardens more.

The music was really very nice.  The story was enjoyable but short.  A little too short in my opinion.  Also, I wished the combat was more varied.  Your party is supposed to be thieves, right?  Experts in the Orlisian Game?  It seems to me they should be more adept at avoiding combat then.  It felt they were just another group of mercinaries.

The difficulty was unbalanced.  I played the DLC on Normal but I had to drop it down to Casual at the end and that annoyed me.  For not giving you a full 4-person party, I think the difficulty needed to be parsed down a little more.

Overall, I think gets from me a 3 out of 4.  Fun, but I've seen better from BioWare.

[Spell Singer]

I'm not done...I could be somewhere between half and two-thirds the way through I guess after 3 hours of playing but I'm fairly slow so don't take my playing time as "average". The story, production values, voice acting, music and visuals have been so far extremely good. You get a good glimpse into how the game is played. The story diverges radically from what Lelianna tells you in camp. And you meet an interesting individual in a certain place. It is a story so well no free form (I don't mind but I know others do).



It is la haul de monty; however, and the stores are rather limited in goods so it at least so far a lot of gold is sitting around looking shiny. You start at lvl 10 and I think I'm currently up at least 5 or 6 levels. Leveling seems odd and you seem higher level then is sensible. Your starting gear is very good. I would rather not have any leveling at all but that is just me I think.



In terms of the big three for Dragon Age:

Violence: 10 it is slash and hack, hack and slash and at least so far only one fight was difficult. But I'm not sure what difficulty level I am playing on. It should be hard but possibly the DLC defaults to something lower. Regardless the combat is excessive, unavoidable and the game sort of tries to shoe horn the murder and mayhem into something sensible based on the comments and dialogue. It still seems excessive and unnecessary...I still can't figure out what triggered the city guards to attack.

Lust: 1.25 a tackle, some odd looks from your companions and some sultry dialogue. But I'd say the "Lust for Power" parts probably would get a higher rating.

Betrayal: 8 what can you say...stick it to you good? Pile it on? There is lots.



Not sure about replay. There doesn't seem to have been any significant things that could be changed by player decisions so other than seeing if you could do a few things differently I'm not sure if there is any. I'd think you could enjoy it at least a few times however just because there is sure to be stuff you missed the first time around.



The music it must be said is incredible.



It is too bad there aren't more rogue elements to the story as opposed to simply killing everything that crosses your path. But so far that is the only negative thing I can say and it applies to the main game as well so I can't see how anyone who likes the main game would not enjoy the DLC.

[Zeleen]

I absolutely loved it... a big plus for us Leliana fans

[LadyAly]

Best DLC so far. I love it really.

The German community is complaining about the shortness - but well if you *zerg* through a game - ---- *shrugs*

I needed a bit more then 2 hours and I enjoyed every minute of it *thumbs up* for this DLC