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[Chuvvy]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Human Noble! Way too long, and I couldn't like any of the NPCs from there.

I didn't like Human Noble not because of that but because it wasn't implmented that well either. The only big thing is Howe and you only get a few extra lines. None of the Nobles even know you. They know of you but they don't know you. And the ones that have extra dialog don't have much.

[caradoc2000]

Human commoner - because it was cut.

[Chuvvy]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Human commoner - because it was cut.

As I understand there was also a chasind origin very very early on.

[Giggles_Manically]

Avaar Barbarian to be exact. And there went my Conan hopes in one fell swoop.Good movies BTW once you get past the cheese.

[thegreateski]

That's an awful lot of cheese, Giggles.

[NatOreN]

thegreateski wrote...

That's an awful lot of cheese, Giggles.

Well, we all know someone who wouldn't mind the quantity, no? >w>

[Hyper Cutter]

Dalish Elf. It's funny, making you part of Zathrian's clan instead of some random other clan would have gone a long way towards fixing it, honestly...

[Arttis]

Hyper Cutter wrote...

Dalish Elf. It's funny, making you part of Zathrian's clan instead of some random other clan would have gone a long way towards fixing it, honestly...

Would have made it more work.If you talk to tamlen in the cave one of the responses he gets is werent you suppose to help master varathorn?
I am guessing it was originally suppose to be zathrians clan but because of laziness or time constraints they made the decision to not include him...I do not know really.

[Chuvvy]

Arttis wrote...

Hyper Cutter wrote...

Dalish Elf. It's funny, making you part of Zathrian's clan instead of some random other clan would have gone a long way towards fixing it, honestly...

Would have made it more work.If you talk to tamlen in the cave one of the responses he gets is werent you suppose to help master varathorn?
I am guessing it was originally suppose to be zathrians clan but because of laziness or time constraints they made the decision to not include him...I do not know really.

It would have made it interesting to deal with Zathrians crazyness as well. If you had been part of his clan. The Dalish Elf could have been a great origin. Quick someone get David Tennant.

[Homebound]

I havent played the dwarves. City Elves is my fave, very tragic, very beautiful. Mage I like the least. Choppy pacing, poorly written, overly done. And Human Noble I enjoy as it gives me a new perspective on my City Elf origin.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

I like the Dalish origin, in and of itself. What I don't like is that it plays no part as was mentioned earlier.And at least you, yourself are not stuck holding the idiot ball when it comes to the mirror.



I'd say that the Nobles (human and dwarf) are the worst. I want to like them, but I just can't seem to generate enough interest. Dwarf Noble is a bit better for it's connection to the DC origin that I liked a lot.



Now if Human Noble was the older/younger sibling of Vaghan? I think that would've done wonders. Still against Howe but a more intimate connection to Denerim and just think about the lines Shianni/Valendrian/Alienage elves could give?

[Sarah1281]

How could a Cousland possibly be the sibling of the son of the Arl of Denerim? The ONLY way that could have worked would be if the CE origin took place in the Highever alienage. Not to mention I don't see Bryce and Eleanor letting him get away with that kind of thing.



And I really don't get the noble hate. Maybe not liking one of them but BOTH? They're really not anything alike, either. Do you just hate fall-from-grace stories and like rags-to-riches?

[Kryyptehk]

I think the Dalish is the worst, mostly because I felt rushed through the origin. It's understandable, since your friend is in danger, but every time you talk to some "OMG GO FIND TAMLEN!" "ARGH, TELL ME ABOUT OUR HISTORY, DAMMIT!" The capslocks are needed to show how infuriating it is. The Dalish is the one that I think could be cut and it not have any repercussions. At least with the Human Noble one, you get the benefit of being able to become king/queen and find out way before anyone else how slimy Howe is. Not to mention you get a kick ass name (Cousland FTW).



The best are by far the dwarven origins. Either one really. It's too bad the vanilla arms are so wonky, because the origins are fantastic.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

I meant have the human noble family be the Arl of Denerim's family. And I don't hate either of the nobles, I just can't seem to get a connection to them to see a run through to to the end. Which is a shame because I know they can end on some of the best notes. I keep trying, but each one's interest putters out either after Ostagar or the Circle/First treaty.

[okiness]

There's a bad origin? All I can conclude is which I feel to be less likely, and that doesn't even make sense. Mage origin I guess, I really hate how you get pulled down with Jowan no matter what and it just feels boring to me everytime I play it.

[CalJones]

I liked the human noble origin - first time I played it I was all "OMFG!" at the whole massacre thing. Plus you have the opportunity to have straight or gay sex with a couple of characters, which is always a win (although the DN male does get the option of a threesome). The noble is the one origin that can get really involved in all the Landsmeet decisions as well, so that aspect is pretty cool.

The least interesting for me was the Dalish. I am not a big fan of elves anyway, although Bioware did a good job of making the city elves interesting. I am too pro-human to empathise with the Dalish and their human-hating ways (even if they did get a raw deal). But the worst thing was that stupid MacGuffin. I know this is a fantasy world but I do struggle with the idea of a mirror that can give you the taint. Dragons, the Fade, lyrium....I can accept all these, but tainted mirrors are just too, well, silly for my tastes. The same ending could have been achieved by having the afflicted elves catch the taint from darkspawn blood. More plausible, honestly.

Nope, not a fan of this origin.

[Ulicus]

Though the DE origin is getting a lot of "meh" in this thread, it had some of the more interesting hooks. The tainted mirror is simply awesome.

Slidell505 wrote...

I didn't like Human Noble not because of that but because it wasn't implmented that well either. The only big thing is Howe and you only get a few extra lines. None of the Nobles even know you. They know of you but they don't know you. And the ones that have extra dialog don't have much.

Yeah, that was a bummer. I kept thinking I must have been the unwanted child my parents were too embarrassed to let leave the house. It doesn't help that there doesn't really seem to be any good reason for it, either. It's not like the story would have been derailed had Cailan mentioned having previously met the HN on a number of occasions.

And the same goes for all the other nobles the HN has never run into before. It baffles me that Eamon never brings it up at all.

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 juillet 2010 - 11:17 .

[Addai]

Ulicus wrote...

Though the DE origin is getting a lot of "meh" in this thread, it had some of the more interesting hooks. The tainted mirror is simply awesome.

Agreed!  The DE Warden is the only one who has glimpsed the Black City, seen how the taint corrupts even the land, etc.  Other than the dwarf noble, the origin is the most plot-centric of any in that way.  Plus I find the Dalish origin to give the richest roleplay except perhaps the dwarven origins, but that's probably my personal taste.

My complaint with it would be that I wish the Dalish lore had been treated a little more seriously, more darkly even.  It seems a little on the whimsical side.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 juillet 2010 - 11:29 .

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Agreed!  The DE Warden is the only one who has glimpsed the Black City, seen how the taint corrupts even the land, etc.  Other than the dwarf noble, the origin is the most plot-centric of any in that way.  Plus I find the Dalish origin to give the richest roleplay except perhaps the dwarven origins, but that's probably my personal taste.

The mage sees it during his/her harrowing. You can always see it in the fade.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The mage sees it during his/her harrowing. You can always see it in the fade.

??  I don't recall this.

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...



Agreed! The DE Warden is the only one who has glimpsed the Black City, seen how the taint corrupts even the land, etc. Other than the dwarf noble, the origin is the most plot-centric of any in that way. Plus I find the Dalish origin to give the richest roleplay except perhaps the dwarven origins, but that's probably my personal taste.

How is the DE the second-most plot-centric origin? I'm not disagreeing, I just don't quite get it.

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

The mage sees it during his/her harrowing. You can always see it in the fade.

??  I don't recall this.

From the wiki: The Black City is the one constant geographical feature within the Fade. At any time, a dreamer or mage can look up and see it in the sky, always in the distance. Only the Magisters of the Imperium have ever found a way to enter the city.

[Addai]

I stand corrected!

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Agreed! The DE Warden is the only one who has glimpsed the Black City, seen how the taint corrupts even the land, etc. Other than the dwarf noble, the origin is the most plot-centric of any in that way. Plus I find the Dalish origin to give the richest roleplay except perhaps the dwarven origins, but that's probably my personal taste.

How is the DE the second-most plot-centric origin? I'm not disagreeing, I just don't quite get it.

Most personally affected by the darkspawn.  Other than DN, the only other origin where the PC has fought darkspawn, and the central crisis of the Dalish origin is Blight sickness.  The Cousland story is also pretty plot-centric, though on the political side of things.

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

Plus I find the Dalish origin to give the richest roleplay except perhaps the dwarven origins, but that's probably my personal taste.

I have to say that I really, really agree with this. The origin story itself was indeed a bit meh, especially when compared to the Human Noble or City Elf origins, but the role-play flavor it adds to the whole game makes up for it.