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[naledgeborn]

I kind of like the Dalish perspective on things because of it's disconnection. It makes DAO more of Alistair's story where I'm the competent sidekick that makes sure he's griping the pummel instead of the blade. The origin itself sucked though, other than giving me a solid reason to play an archer.

[Sarah1281]

Why would you want to relegate yourself to sidekick status?

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Why would you want to relegate yourself to sidekick status?

Why not? It gives a different flavor.

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Why would you want to relegate yourself to sidekick status?

Why not? It gives a different flavor.

Because then you're playing second fiddle to a fictional character. And I don't even think it's POSSIBLE to be his sidekick the way he refuses to lead and makese you do it. Sickkicks don't make all the decisions.

[naledgeborn]

Because I saved the world plenty of times as a Cousland/Aeducan

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Why would you want to relegate yourself to sidekick status?

Why not? It gives a different flavor.

Because then you're playing second fiddle to a fictional character. And I don't even think it's POSSIBLE to be his sidekick the way he refuses to lead and makese you do it. Sickkicks don't make all the decisions.

Your PC is a fictional character, too...?

I always see the Wardens as a team, anyway.  But I agree with the original post in the sense that playing a Dalish character means you're more removed from the political side of the plot.  Alistair is central for my Dalish characters because without him, they might have left Ferelden to its fate rather than deal with the political machinations.

I have to give a plug again for the origin story, however.  I think it suffers by comparison because its resolution comes late in the game with the Tamlen encounter and not everyone makes it that far, as is apparent from the YouTube comments on my video of it.  But that encounter was the single most wrenching moment in a game full of emotional moments, for me.

[Giggles_Manically]

Yah seeing Tamlem was painful.



Just the way he yelled Lethalin! at me hurt so badly.



I literally couldnt move for a few minutes.

[Sarah1281]

Your PC is but you aren't. Playing the sidekick to a fictional character in any game every would ****** me off to the point I'm not sure I could even play it so it's really not about Alistair. And if the Wardens were a team then you're not his sidekick anymore than he's yours.

[Giggles_Manically]

Alistair is not leadership material until the end.



As soon as someone says "I dont know I'll do whatever you think is best" thats not a great leader.



However in the landsmeet and final battle he does turn around. Which was very cool.

[DPSSOC]

I'd have to say the Dwarf Noble is my least favourite. More than the Dalish, where friendship leads you to stand by Tamlen while he does something completely stupid, The Dwarf Noble falls to his/her own stupidity. Why after hearing Bhelen tell you Trian wants you dead, do you not approach Trian and confront him forcing the matter to a Proving if need be (perfectly legal and no need to sneak around about it).

[Giggles_Manically]

I have nothing else to say, except prepare to be Sarahed DPSSOC.



I wish you luck

[frostajulie]

I have replayed all the origins so many times I am surprised I don't know all the lines by heart. Well, except the Dalish Origin. That was so boring. The path was very straight forward nothing cool happened. I love the mage origin because you can rp it many ways The city elf origin is my favorite hands down. The human noble was very enjoyable especially since you get to have sex so early and your brother always knows who it is without any clue from you, it really makes the NPC's feel like family and then Oren with his sword of truthiness really gave fuel for the rage that drove my cousland to push forward and kill Howe.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I have nothing else to say, except prepare to be Sarahed DPSSOC.

I wish you luck

Am I really that predictable?

DPSSOC wrote...

I'd have to say the Dwarf Noble is my least favourite. More than the Dalish, where friendship leads you to stand by Tamlen while he does something completely stupid, The Dwarf Noble falls to his/her own stupidity. Why after hearing Bhelen tell you Trian wants you dead, do you not approach Trian and confront him forcing the matter to a Proving if need be (perfectly legal and no need to sneak around about it).

 There's a perfectly reasonable explanation for this that doesn't involve you having to be stupid.

Bhelen has been hanging around with Trian a lot as we've seen and Trian's being openly contemptuous of you and, if you read his journal, is worried that the fact you have a Proving be held in your honor (which if you're a DNF could be handwaved as Harrowmont trying to find a husband for you it still happens for a DNM so that can't be the only reason) is indicative that you'll be replacing him as heir. I can't be certain of what Trian was like before but it seems like he's being more hostile than usual and I'm betting that Bhelen's been feeding his paranoia. We know that they've been talking about you since if you agree to go straight to the feast then Trian says he supposes Bhelen might be right that you're more than useless breeding flesh/have some regard for your duty and station.

Then there's the fact that if you agree to kill Trian then Trian is waiting to ambush you first. You can't know, of course, but I think he was waiting even if you don't kill him and that's why he's at the meeting place when you show up. If you ask him why he arrived early when you kill him he reveals that he got there early so he could confront you about your plot to kill him that Bhelen told him about. Bhelen's had time to get Trian to come around to the idea but doesn't approach you until the night before Trian's death.

You've had one possibly two negative encounters with Trian no matter how you play it as he's determined to say something condescending given his paranoia about you and so he's overcompensating. If nothing else, he's just refused to attend your feast as talking to Bhelen in his room was more important (even if he promsied to go the first time you see him) and that's a deliberate, caluculated insult. Bhelen also makes sure to mention Trian stopped him from going so you don't have support from either brother at the feast which has got to be embarrassing.

Trian leaves because he needs to see your father. Endrin doesn't say why he needs to see him but Trian presumes that it's to go over the battle plan again. The feast is over at this point, Trian tells Bhelen to get to bed after he's done talking to you, and you yourself go to bed after this conversation. We don't know how long Trian's talk with Endrin is but it can't be a short message or else you could have delivered that instead of sending Trian to him so presumably it takes awhile. You do not have an opportunity to talk to him after this.

Bhelen tells you that Trian's out to kill you and given that Trian is getting more and more hostile and Bhelen is very careful to make it seem like he's staying neutral but also, the minute Trian leaves, to give the impression that he's sick of Trian's behavior but since they've been together so much Bhelen would probably know what Trian's up to regardless of if he's being honest with you. All day you've been hearing people say that Trian's ascession isn't guarenteed and that whispers (that may be accurate or may have been staged by Bhelen to further his plots) so Bhelen's claim that Trian is worried about Endrin naming you as his new heir or the Assembly turning against him in favor of you once Endrin dies sounds plausible and I believe that that is the case although Bhelen certainly subtly encouraged Trian's insecurity in that regard.

Bhelen also lists precedents, claims his interest is that Trian's paranoia may hurt Bhelen next, and lists off killing Mandar Dace or winning your own Proving as an example of why people want you to rule. He's spent years passing himself off as the harmless, no-talent, trustworthy little brother who says that he actually SAW Trian ordering his men to ambush you. When you ask him for his opinion, he doesn't advise killing Trian but just says that he'll follow your lead.

You have three options here. The 'I'll kill Trian no matter what' option which leads to a confrontation and the 'I'll keep my eye on him to see if that's true and won't commit fratricide over something I've heard second-hand' or the 'I won't fight a brother/I don't believe this' options which lead to you finding him dead. The 'I'm so innocent, I'd never attack a brother no matter what he might be planning' option strikes me as rather naive in the Orzammar court given what we've heard in Duncan's 'you're Lady/Lord Aeducan' intro and what we've seen just exploring the city. Still, if you feel that that's a stupid take on it then you don't have to take it and one stupid choice does not mean you can't make a more intelligent decision.

The 'I'm definitely going to kill him, no doubt about it' option that leads to a confrontation indicates that since you're just going to take Bhelen's word for it you have FAR too much trust in someone who stands to gain a great deal with both you and Trian out of the picture or that you already have been thinking about killing him, which you can tell Gorim about after first meeting Trian. In this case, you want Trian dead so of course you're not going to try and settle this legally and non-lethally as you and Bhelen have just agreed that you will kill him the very next day in the Aeducan Thaig and blame it on darkspawn.

Of course, you could RP that you're just telling Bhelen that and don't intend to follow through or have had second thoughts and don't like how you can't talk Trian down when he confronts you. He has been listening to Bhelen feeding his paranoia and turning him decisively against you for weeks now if not longer since we know that he's been planning this for years in order to cement his status as the harmless one and to win over all the deshyrs he has supporting him. Then Bhelen tells him you're planning on killing him the next day either before or after he talks to you about Trian's supposed plot.

Still, Trian wants to settle this legally and orders you to throw down your weapons and confess. You will be tried for your treason before the Assembly and plotting against the heir to the throne is treason. The appearance of honor is paramount so even if you would hardly be unique in this, you're the one who gets caught. Assuming you don't decide to attack because you still want him dead, you can see doing as Trian asks and avoiding a fight as as good as a confession and refuse to do so thus prompting Trian to attack or you could agree to surrender but the bribed scout refuses and attacks. I suppose that if you were actually there you could just kill the scout but at that point I think Trian is convinced you won't do as he asks and will still go after you.

If you decide to watch Trian and only attack if he attacks first (or you just don't want Bhelen to know what you're planning) then you also find him dead. This, like the 'I'd never fight a brother', would be the more realistic course of action to take if you wanted to confront him peacefully and settle this with a Proving but you really don't get a chance. The expedition is the very next day and given Trian's habit of avoiding you and Bhelen's of staying near Trian (and he'd definitely make sure to be there to prevent you from doing just that) you don't get an opportunity to talk to him. Maybe after the expedition you could have had he lived but that's why Bhelen tells you at the last minute, so you don't have time to talk to Trian or to agree to kill him then think it over and change your mind. If you decide not to kill Trian the very next day like Bhelen's plan requires then the casteless mercenaries who have Trian's ring and attack you right before you find the shield killed him and you taking back the ring just further points to your guilt.

Bhelen leads the expedition straight to you and the scout first accuses you, backed up by the noble-caste and seemingly honorable Frandlin Ivo. Gorim's a warrior and too loyal to you to be trusted on this and you obviously would deny it or claim self-defense no matter what happened. You can't even back out of the expedition that Bhelen says Trian intends to ambush you on because it's being held partly to celebrate your first commission.

Did you know that King Endrin never thinks you're guilty and has you exiled anyway to avoid a scandal that won't die down within his lifetime that will cost House Aeducan the throne? What do you think calling a public Proving about how the two of you want to kill each other over the throne will do but make sure that another House gets it? If you were going that option then you might as well not be plotting against each other at all as you're not going to keep the throne with the Aeducans and should you challenge him everyone who wants to see the Aeducans keep the throne will do whatever it takes to stop you.

Yes, you can't really win but neither can Amell, Surana, Cousland, Tabris, Brosca, or Mahariel. It doesn't mean that you can't act unintelligently. It just means that Bhelen's brilliant and has been planning this for years wherease you, no matter how smart you are, have less than a day's warning and so even if you come to the conclusion that Bhelen's trying to get you two to kill each other you can't really know that once you refused his first plan he'd go through with killing Trian tomorrow anyway. Even if you do manage to work that out, though, the only way you'll get there in time to see a living Trian is if you claim you're going to kill him and between the scout and Trian himself, they won't let you keep him alive.

You're free to dislike the origin, of course, but, again, I strongly disagree on the forced stupidity of the DN.

[Zjarcal]

naledgeborn wrote...

I kind of like the Dalish perspective on things because of it's disconnection. It makes DAO more of Alistair's story where I'm the competent sidekick that makes sure he's griping the pummel instead of the blade. The origin itself sucked though, other than giving me a solid reason to play an archer.

I disagree that the disconnection makes it more Alistair's story (whatever origin you're from he still leaves all the responsibility onto you and as Giggles said, anyone who does that can't be a competent leader), but I do agree that due to how foreign my Dalish felt she did give Alistair's comments and advice a bit more importance than usual. That was of course until Redcliffe where he suggests to kill Connor. Given he was a former Templar in training, my Dalish thought that his advice on how to deal with an abomination would be the best. But of course if you actually do that (even if it's by accident when you approach the Arl's room) he goes mental on you back at the camp...

I actually love that moment as it gives my PC a great reason to flat out hate Alistair and ignore him for the rest of the game.

As for the whole playing the sidekick in a game, it would certainly be interesting from a story perspective, though it would be hard for a game to properly pull that off.

Oh and by the way, poor DPSSOC...

Modifié par Zjarcal, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:40 .

[DPSSOC]

Sarah1281 wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

I'd have to say the Dwarf Noble is my least favourite. More than the Dalish, where friendship leads you to stand by Tamlen while he does something completely stupid, The Dwarf Noble falls to his/her own stupidity. Why after hearing Bhelen tell you Trian wants you dead, do you not approach Trian and confront him forcing the matter to a Proving if need be (perfectly legal and no need to sneak around about it).

 There's a perfectly reasonable explanation for this that doesn't involve you having to be stupid.

Bhelen has been hanging around with Trian a lot as we've seen and Trian's being openly contemptuous of you and, if you read his journal, is worried that the fact you have a Proving be held in your honor (which if you're a DNF could be handwaved as Harrowmont trying to find a husband for you it still happens for a DNM so that can't be the only reason) is indicative that you'll be replacing him as heir. I can't be certain of what Trian was like before but it seems like he's being more hostile than usual and I'm betting that Bhelen's been feeding his paranoia. We know that they've been talking about you since if you agree to go straight to the feast then Trian says he supposes Bhelen might be right that you're more than useless breeding flesh/have some regard for your duty and station.

Then there's the fact that if you agree to kill Trian then Trian is waiting to ambush you first. You can't know, of course, but I think he was waiting even if you don't kill him and that's why he's at the meeting place when you show up. If you ask him why he arrived early when you kill him he reveals that he got there early so he could confront you about your plot to kill him that Bhelen told him about. Bhelen's had time to get Trian to come around to the idea but doesn't approach you until the night before Trian's death.

You've had one possibly two negative encounters with Trian no matter how you play it as he's determined to say something condescending given his paranoia about you and so he's overcompensating. If nothing else, he's just refused to attend your feast as talking to Bhelen in his room was more important (even if he promsied to go the first time you see him) and that's a deliberate, caluculated insult. Bhelen also makes sure to mention Trian stopped him from going so you don't have support from either brother at the feast which has got to be embarrassing.

Trian leaves because he needs to see your father. Endrin doesn't say why he needs to see him but Trian presumes that it's to go over the battle plan again. The feast is over at this point, Trian tells Bhelen to get to bed after he's done talking to you, and you yourself go to bed after this conversation. We don't know how long Trian's talk with Endrin is but it can't be a short message or else you could have delivered that instead of sending Trian to him so presumably it takes awhile. You do not have an opportunity to talk to him after this.

Bhelen tells you that Trian's out to kill you and given that Trian is getting more and more hostile and Bhelen is very careful to make it seem like he's staying neutral but also, the minute Trian leaves, to give the impression that he's sick of Trian's behavior but since they've been together so much Bhelen would probably know what Trian's up to regardless of if he's being honest with you. All day you've been hearing people say that Trian's ascession isn't guarenteed and that whispers (that may be accurate or may have been staged by Bhelen to further his plots) so Bhelen's claim that Trian is worried about Endrin naming you as his new heir or the Assembly turning against him in favor of you once Endrin dies sounds plausible and I believe that that is the case although Bhelen certainly subtly encouraged Trian's insecurity in that regard.

Bhelen also lists precedents, claims his interest is that Trian's paranoia may hurt Bhelen next, and lists off killing Mandar Dace or winning your own Proving as an example of why people want you to rule. He's spent years passing himself off as the harmless, no-talent, trustworthy little brother who says that he actually SAW Trian ordering his men to ambush you. When you ask him for his opinion, he doesn't advise killing Trian but just says that he'll follow your lead.

You have three options here. The 'I'll kill Trian no matter what' option which leads to a confrontation and the 'I'll keep my eye on him to see if that's true and won't commit fratricide over something I've heard second-hand' or the 'I won't fight a brother/I don't believe this' options which lead to you finding him dead. The 'I'm so innocent, I'd never attack a brother no matter what he might be planning' option strikes me as rather naive in the Orzammar court given what we've heard in Duncan's 'you're Lady/Lord Aeducan' intro and what we've seen just exploring the city. Still, if you feel that that's a stupid take on it then you don't have to take it and one stupid choice does not mean you can't make a more intelligent decision.

The 'I'm definitely going to kill him, no doubt about it' option that leads to a confrontation indicates that since you're just going to take Bhelen's word for it you have FAR too much trust in someone who stands to gain a great deal with both you and Trian out of the picture or that you already have been thinking about killing him, which you can tell Gorim about after first meeting Trian. In this case, you want Trian dead so of course you're not going to try and settle this legally and non-lethally as you and Bhelen have just agreed that you will kill him the very next day in the Aeducan Thaig and blame it on darkspawn.

Of course, you could RP that you're just telling Bhelen that and don't intend to follow through or have had second thoughts and don't like how you can't talk Trian down when he confronts you. He has been listening to Bhelen feeding his paranoia and turning him decisively against you for weeks now if not longer since we know that he's been planning this for years in order to cement his status as the harmless one and to win over all the deshyrs he has supporting him. Then Bhelen tells him you're planning on killing him the next day either before or after he talks to you about Trian's supposed plot.

Still, Trian wants to settle this legally and orders you to throw down your weapons and confess. You will be tried for your treason before the Assembly and plotting against the heir to the throne is treason. The appearance of honor is paramount so even if you would hardly be unique in this, you're the one who gets caught. Assuming you don't decide to attack because you still want him dead, you can see doing as Trian asks and avoiding a fight as as good as a confession and refuse to do so thus prompting Trian to attack or you could agree to surrender but the bribed scout refuses and attacks. I suppose that if you were actually there you could just kill the scout but at that point I think Trian is convinced you won't do as he asks and will still go after you.

If you decide to watch Trian and only attack if he attacks first (or you just don't want Bhelen to know what you're planning) then you also find him dead. This, like the 'I'd never fight a brother', would be the more realistic course of action to take if you wanted to confront him peacefully and settle this with a Proving but you really don't get a chance. The expedition is the very next day and given Trian's habit of avoiding you and Bhelen's of staying near Trian (and he'd definitely make sure to be there to prevent you from doing just that) you don't get an opportunity to talk to him. Maybe after the expedition you could have had he lived but that's why Bhelen tells you at the last minute, so you don't have time to talk to Trian or to agree to kill him then think it over and change your mind. If you decide not to kill Trian the very next day like Bhelen's plan requires then the casteless mercenaries who have Trian's ring and attack you right before you find the shield killed him and you taking back the ring just further points to your guilt.

Bhelen leads the expedition straight to you and the scout first accuses you, backed up by the noble-caste and seemingly honorable Frandlin Ivo. Gorim's a warrior and too loyal to you to be trusted on this and you obviously would deny it or claim self-defense no matter what happened. You can't even back out of the expedition that Bhelen says Trian intends to ambush you on because it's being held partly to celebrate your first commission.

Did you know that King Endrin never thinks you're guilty and has you exiled anyway to avoid a scandal that won't die down within his lifetime that will cost House Aeducan the throne? What do you think calling a public Proving about how the two of you want to kill each other over the throne will do but make sure that another House gets it? If you were going that option then you might as well not be plotting against each other at all as you're not going to keep the throne with the Aeducans and should you challenge him everyone who wants to see the Aeducans keep the throne will do whatever it takes to stop you.

Yes, you can't really win but neither can Amell, Surana, Cousland, Tabris, Brosca, or Mahariel. It doesn't mean that you can't act unintelligently. It just means that Bhelen's brilliant and has been planning this for years wherease you, no matter how smart you are, have less than a day's warning and so even if you come to the conclusion that Bhelen's trying to get you two to kill each other you can't really know that once you refused his first plan he'd go through with killing Trian tomorrow anyway. Even if you do manage to work that out, though, the only way you'll get there in time to see a living Trian is if you claim you're going to kill him and between the scout and Trian himself, they won't let you keep him alive.

You're free to dislike the origin, of course, but, again, I strongly disagree on the forced stupidity of the DN.

Alright it's late so I'll come up with a more coherent, point-by-point tomorrow but just wanted to clarify, when I say confront I'm not talking about calmly and politely sitting down with Trian and working things out amicably (though that'd be a nice option to try)  I'm talking about walking up to him, backhanding the SOB, and accusing him of trying to have you killed.  This is essentially you calling him out, in public, as an honourless dog lacking the courage to face his enemies openly.  To settle the matter you hold a Proving, to the death, to see who the Ancestors favour.  It could still end much the same way, with Trian found poisoned/murdered before the Proving can be held and the conemning evidence is found in your quarters.

That's what bother's me, if you find out someone's plotting to have you killed, and you're in a position to confront them one on one you do it rather than give them time to plot more.  Or perhaps I'm just too direct to enjoy the Origin.  All this scheming and plotting is just so unnecessary, especially in a society that has no problem settling disputes in fights to the death.

[Sarah1281]

Alright it's late so I'll come up with a more coherent, point-by-point tomorrow but just wanted to clarify, when I say confront I'm not talking about calmly and politely sitting down with Trian and working things out amicably (though that'd be a nice option to try) I'm talking about walking up to him, backhanding the SOB, and accusing him of trying to have you killed. This is essentially you calling him out, in public, as an honourless dog lacking the courage to face his enemies openly. To settle the matter you hold a Proving, to the death, to see who the Ancestors favour. It could still end much the same way, with Trian found poisoned/murdered before the Proving can be held and the conemning evidence is found in your quarters.



That's what bother's me, if you find out someone's plotting to have you killed, and you're in a position to confront them one on one you do it rather than give them time to plot more. Or perhaps I'm just too direct to enjoy the Origin. All this scheming and plotting is just so unnecessary, especially in a society that has no problem settling disputes in fights to the death.

In addition to, again, having no time to do this before the expedition that he dies on, all that scheming and plotting IS Orzammar and not all Provings are to the death. Oghren's as disgraced as he is - and would have been executed had he not been so celebrated of a warrior - for killing someone during a first blood Proving.



And don't you think that if it were at all feasible and not scandalous enough to cost your family the throne to just have a Proving about the matter then it would have come up at some point? Challenges like that are VERY SERIOUS and all you have is a rumor from Bhelen who, wanting to appear innocent and non-fratricidal, would deny it if asked. I also don't see why giving Trian the one extra day to kill him at the secluded Thaig no one will see you do it is too much time to give him to plot or deciding to see if he's actually plotting against you before you kill him is a bad move.



Also, yeah. Directness is definitely frowned upon in that world and whenever you cut to the chase it annoys everyone else because it's not how these things are done.

[somebody99000]

Railroading is really something common to all of the origins. The reason that the Dalish and Magi origins are so picked out for it is because the railroading comes from within, from people who are established in the greater story to like and respect you--Tamlen must touch the mirror, the mage must help Jowan, as opposed to eg. the Human Noble story, where Howe is making the decisions. It's not really possible to imagine Howe not attacking the Couslands (though he does seem to be a bit sad about it in the origin if you're nice to him), but it is possible to imagine the mage saying that he/she won't help Jowan escape but not telling Irving about it, or you persuading Tamlen that you need to go back to the Keeper about the mirror and the ruins, instead of exploring it by yourself. It is possible to imagine alternate stories where you end up going to the Grey Wardens but you seem to have more agency.

For example, you refuse, absolutely, to help Jowan. In desperation, he attempts the break-in or escape anyways, but is killed (or perhaps ends up being successful), leading to another character doing the poisoning (probably some minor throwaway). However, as his best friend, suspicion falls upon you, and you are about to be imprisoned or punished anyways, so you end up going to the Wardens. That would give you the illusion of more agency while still advancing the story.

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Mage because like people have said you either help your friend do something incredibly stupid or you rat him out. It also seems like the longest one too; most are more dialogue than combat while this one is a lot of combat and a little dialogue at least it seems that way to me.

[Somarchy]

You guys mentioning Dalish and Mage make me want a Sparkling Dalish Honeybun.





SOMARCHY HUNGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me cola and honeybuns, I will be contempt.

[nikki191]

i liked them all personally. the dalish elf origin being my least favourite purely because it was so isolated from the rest of the story. it felt very tacked on the end. replacement for the barbarian maybe?



my favourite would have the be the female city elf closely followed by the human noble

[Ulicus]

I quite like the isolation of the dalish origin. You get this cool "and out of nowhere a hero appeared" vibe. Wherever you go, you are ultimately unknown.  If only male elves were taller than female humans, I'd play dalish elf a lot more often. (Little things like that really bother me -- BioWare always seem to have only a fractional difference of height between the sexes, but huge differences between race)

Modifié par Ulicus, 26 juillet 2010 - 01:42 .

[Snelle Jaap]

interesting there is little to no talk about the Dwarf Origin story's ...(wel exept that Huge wall of text above me right.. Sarah1281) I did not read the hole thing you understand <_<

Played as Dwarf for about idk a VERY short time it made me puke so idk maybe its the story but they look wrong somehow to short and wide for dwarfs.
so Dwarf yeah
Don't get me wrong doh i do like the LOTR (movie) Dwarfs...

edit: TypO's

Modifié par Snelle Jaap, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:01 .

[Chuvvy]

Ulicus wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

I didn't like Human Noble not because of that but because it wasn't implmented that well either. The only big thing is Howe and you only get a few extra lines. None of the Nobles even know you. They know of you but they don't know you. And the ones that have extra dialog don't have much.

Yeah, that was a bummer. I kept thinking I must have been the unwanted child my parents were too embarrassed to let leave the house. It doesn't help that there doesn't really seem to be any good reason for it, either. It's not like the story would have been derailed had Cailan mentioned having previously met the HN on a number of occasions.

And the same goes for all the other nobles the HN has never run into before. It baffles me that Eamon never brings it up at all.

It's dumb, and just bad writting. Everyone that brings up has at most a paragraph of extra dialog.

[Ulicus]

Slidell505 wrote...

It's dumb, and just bad writting. Everyone that brings up has at most a paragraph of extra dialog.

I can't really disagree, unfortunately. I suppose I can understand the desire to RP a character who is keeping their heritage under wraps but, at the same time... yeah, it was just disappointing and prevents me from being able to take the HN playthrough all that seriously. (Which, since I prefer to play as humans, is a bummer)

I tend to be of the mind that four origins would have been better than six, as that may have allowed each of them to have more depth and a greater impact on the story at large.

S'why I can't get upset about the news of there only being one origin in DA2. If it means that origin can be better worked into the story, it can only be a good thing.

Modifié par Ulicus, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:58 .

[Sarah1281]

Snelle Jaap wrote...

interesting there is little to no talk about the Dwarf Origin story's ...(wel exept that Huge wall of text above me right.. Sarah1281) I did not read the hole thing you understand <_<

Played as Dwarf for about idk a VERY short time it made me puke so idk maybe its the story but they look wrong somehow to short and wide for dwarfs.
so Dwarf yeah
Don't get me wrong doh i do like the LOTR (movie) Dwarfs...

edit: TypO's

Wanting to puke because thet characters are shorter and wider? Sounds a bit like a hyperbole. And the reason there isn't much talk about the dwarf origins are because they're both really well-done and not liking how they look doesn't change that.

Edit: And it was not a wall of text. Wall of texts don't have paragraphs and I had a lot.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 26 juillet 2010 - 02:54 .