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[Gilsa]

Awesome! Looking forward to your review.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Sketch for DA2, anyone?

And Mark Meer as Tug, I never would of guessed it. Who says that guy doesn't have range.

I agree bring back Sketch for another expansion and flush out his story, perhaps and Anders specific DLC?

[BillWatson08]

Considering that I'm a Leliana fan, I quite enjoyed it. Took me two attempts to get all three achievements unlocked. The first time I planted two itemed, then I figured out I needed to do more. For what its worth, I didn't get the achievement until all 4 items were placed on the body. All told, I give it 8.25 out of 10.

[Sarah1281]

dream_operator23 wrote...

Oh, Adaia isn't that bad! At least from the screenshots posted here. The only thing that is hideous is the yellow lipstick. Otherwise she looks like a regular elf. And I like that she is dark-skinned. There are too many light-skinned characters in the game as it is. It's good to have a bit of variety. Plus I like to make my city elves darker skinned and it is good to know that I was on the right track. XD

Her inclusion was just so unnecessary, though, from what I can tell. The good thing about her being dead was that you could have your CE look like whatever you wanted to and not run into the problems that, say, an Asian-looking Cousland would have. I was happy with my CE looking like her cousins did but now I just don't think it's believable for her not to have a darker complexion. Introducing Adaia, no matter what she looked like, severely limits the believable CE appearances.

[errant_knight]

That was a truly excellent piece of work. In depth story, great production values, some tough fights, and just the right amount of gear available. I don't mind that the story was a little different, as it doesn't really contradict anything, and this was actually a better plot that a literal interpretation of what Leliana said. I like the way you can see her changing through the story (or not, I presume, depending on how you play it). Nothing was overpowered, and if you wanted expensive gear, you had to make tough choices--I did any way. I didn't do the collective thing this time, and I don't know what you got from thet (don't tell me ; )



Anyway, it makes me sad that RtO didn't get this same level of work and attention, because if it had, it would have been awesome.



I would very much like to see DLC like this for all the companions, but my particular wish is for one detailing what Alistair is doing in the Bannorn during Awakening if he's king. Not sure a 'past history' thing would work for him given his confinement in the Chantry.

[WingsandRings]

Ok, so am I the only one that didn't really follow what Dorothea's role was in the paper trading? She completely lost me.

What did she do and how did she eff it up?

EDIT: Oh, and we totally need a Zevran DLC. Yes we do.  Crow past...or Crow future (after DA:O) or something. Just...Zevran and the Crows, battling it out.  Tell me that wouldn't be awesome.

Modifié par WingsandRings, 07 juillet 2010 - 03:50 .

[TMA LIVE]

EricaCousland wrote...

There seems to be inconsistency between what Leliana says in Origins and what happens in her songs. I need clarification so thatI know I haven't misunderstood something along the way.

From whatI remember, Leliana tells you that she finds the papers on the body of a target given to her by Marjolaine. She opens the documents, finds out it has to do with how M is sending information about Orlais to other countries. In Leliana's Song, however, Leliana goes into the Arl of Denerim's estate and leaves them on the desk.

I seem to remember Leliana saying or suggesting that she was tortured by the Orlesians; a traitor's punishment. But in the Song, it's this Commander chappie.


Have I got this wrong or is she a gigantic fibber even after leaving 'the Game' for the chantry?


As a side note, I found this DLC to be quite interesting at first, but then it felt kind of rushed. You know, when you chase after the Commander and Marjolaine. I was sort of like "Hi guards *kill* hello Dragon *kill* off you pop Commander *kill*. Ho hum." I don't know, I'd have liked a better hunt for them.

Yeah, I thought the beginning was great... and then... what??? Yeah, what I'm playing ain't gelling with what she told me... unless she was lying... or what she says in Origin's is the truth, and this is the lie????

Plus, it was waaaaaaaay too short. Especially for the story that's being told. I didn't really get a chance to know any of the characters, besides Bad Guy A, and Sidekick C. Also, (SPOILERS) I didn't like how her torture (and possible rape) is skipped, and left utterly vague.(END SPOILERS).

Another problem I have is the dialogue choices. They don't matter. All you're doing is changing a line. Either Leliane says "You suck... I'll do it" or "I'm grateful... I'll do it". Either way, the rest of her lines are the same, and the events that happen are the same. You change nothing, nor say anything drastically different. Why give me a choice if it's just one line?


Also, what the hell happened to her friends that helped her??? There's nothing to say what happened to them after the DLC.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 07 juillet 2010 - 03:52 .

[WingsandRings]

TMA LIVE wrote...



Plus, it was waaaaaaaay too short. Especially for the story that's being told. I didn't really get a chance to know any of the characters, besides Bad Guy A, and Sidekick C. Also, (SPOILERS) I didn't like how her torture (and possible rape) is skipped, and left utterly vague.(END SPOILERS).

Uh...so you would want to see a video game version of a rape, in all its details?

*backs away slowly*
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[TMA LIVE]

WingsandRings wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...



Plus, it was waaaaaaaay too short. Especially for the story that's being told. I didn't really get a chance to know any of the characters, besides Bad Guy A, and Sidekick C. Also, (SPOILERS) I didn't like how her torture (and possible rape) is skipped, and left utterly vague.(END SPOILERS).

Uh...so you would want to see a video game version of a rape, in all its details?

*backs away slowly*
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God no, but I want more then "Leliana betrayed, fade to black, Leliana escapes". Hell, I wouldn't have even known she was torchured if that guy didn't say anything.

"I heard your screams. It's must have been bad."  "Yeah."

It's just way to vague, that you might think nothing happened at all.

And aparrently she's been dressed in full armor in her cell for a week.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 07 juillet 2010 - 04:06 .

[elearon1]

Since Leliana is telling this story it seems unlikely she would focus much on the rape scene. Additionally, the continuity issues that seem to appear are do to little alterations she has made to the story - just as I think it is set in Ferelden not because it all necessarily happened there, but because it is a setting your character would relate to as the audience to her tale. Basically, it is important to remember all throughout the DLC that this is a storyteller practicing her art even as she reveals more about her past ... details of a story often change based on the audience. (and not only does she say as much, but David Gaider says as much in his comment)



As for the length, it was approximately 2 hours of gameplay for 7 bucks ... considering none of the other DLCs broke an hour in length; this one was filled with voiced dialog, commentary, etc; and the story was fairly good I would say it was one hell of a deal. You don't get near as much value from a movie these days.



In my mind this is an excellent model which I hope they follow - in spirit at least - with the other npc DLCs they ultimately choose to release.

[errant_knight]

I think Silas said just about as much about that as a man who didn't know her would. They both know it was bad. Nothing else needs to be said. If he pushed her to say more it would be odd, at best.

Modifié par errant_knight, 07 juillet 2010 - 04:09 .

[TMA LIVE]

It wasn't 2 hours for me. I manage to get it done under an hour and 10 minutes. And I was taking my time. Also, for the tale that was being told, I expected more from the tale.



Here's a question: Who do you think she's telling the tale to? The Warden, or the player, or random Joe?

[Axekix]

TMA LIVE wrote...

God no, but I want more then "Leliana betrayed, fade to black, Leliana escapes". Hell, I wouldn't have even known she was torchured if that guy didn't say anything.

"I heard your screams. It's must have been bad."  "Yeah."

It's just way to vague, that you might think nothing happened at all.

And aparrently she's been dressed in full armor in her cell for a week.

Eh, I thought it was pretty clear tbh.  I mean she's shown lying in the cell with blood between her legs.  And the captain calls her his "Orlesian ****" as a battlecry.  How much more would we need?

[errant_knight]

Axekix wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

God no, but I want more then "Leliana betrayed, fade to black, Leliana escapes". Hell, I wouldn't have even known she was torchured if that guy didn't say anything.

"I heard your screams. It's must have been bad."  "Yeah."

It's just way to vague, that you might think nothing happened at all.

And aparrently she's been dressed in full armor in her cell for a week.

Eh, I thought it was pretty clear tbh.  I mean she's shown lying in the cell with blood between her legs.  And the captain calls her his "Orlesian ****" as a battlecry.  How much more would we need?

And he taunts her with the rape when she catch up to him,, saying if she wanted more of his men, all she had to do was ask. As far as I'm concerned, more detail would have been repugnant.

I don't know how people play these things so fast. It took me 4 to 4.5 hours. Maybe 5

Modifié par errant_knight, 07 juillet 2010 - 04:17 .

[TMA LIVE]

errant_knight wrote...

I think Silas said just about as much about that as a man who didn't know her would. They both know it was bad. Nothing else needs to be said. If he pushed her to say more it would be odd, at best.

Yeah, but being someone that was tortured I thought was an important part to her tale, since it's part of her motive. It's one of the things that makes her special as someone that went threw hell, yet still loves the world, and really loves shoes. But it's just plain skipped. Not even a voice over saying "They tortured me for a week. I wanted to die..." etc.

[Axekix]

errant_knight wrote...

Axekix wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

God no, but I want more then "Leliana betrayed, fade to black, Leliana escapes". Hell, I wouldn't have even known she was torchured if that guy didn't say anything.

"I heard your screams. It's must have been bad."  "Yeah."

It's just way to vague, that you might think nothing happened at all.

And aparrently she's been dressed in full armor in her cell for a week.

Eh, I thought it was pretty clear tbh.  I mean she's shown lying in the cell with blood between her legs.  And the captain calls her his "Orlesian ****" as a battlecry.  How much more would we need?

And he taunts her with the rape when she catch up to him,, saying if she wanted more of his men, all she had to do was ask. As far as I'm concerned, more detail would have been repugnant.

I don't know how people play these things so fast. It took me 4 to 4.5 hours. Maybe 5

Oooh right, I totally forgot about that line.  Haha, what a d-bag.  The good folks at Bioware really know how to write sleazy villians.

I got about 2hrs of play time out of it.  Well worth the price imo.  Hell I can't even see a movie for 7 bucks.

[TMA LIVE]

Axekix wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

God no, but I want more then "Leliana betrayed, fade to black, Leliana escapes". Hell, I wouldn't have even known she was torchured if that guy didn't say anything.

"I heard your screams. It's must have been bad."  "Yeah."

It's just way to vague, that you might think nothing happened at all.

And aparrently she's been dressed in full armor in her cell for a week.

Eh, I thought it was pretty clear tbh.  I mean she's shown lying in the cell with blood between her legs.  And the captain calls her his "Orlesian ****" as a battlecry.  How much more would we need?

I might need to re-watch it, but I remember the blood being near the stomach or chest, not her legs. Could be wrong. And the other bit, that's a battle cry. I could just relate that just plain insulting, not something of meaning.

[Petehog]

Castanea wrote...



-ninjas-

( I thought she would have had red hair...)

I made some slight adjustments to her...

[Sarah1281]

Well I guess that answers the question of what happened to him post-DLC: he's deep undercover in the Circle.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 07 juillet 2010 - 05:19 .

[elearon1]

>>Here's a question: Who do you think she's telling the tale to?<<



Your PC Warden I would guess; I can't imagine who else she'd feel comfortable enough to tell even an altered version of her story to ... maybe someone in the Chantry, though considering some of the details which seem designed to appeal to your PC that is the audience I'd assume.