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[AdamNW]

The Destiny Ascension

[BellatrixLugosi]

Well with me it was a different atmosphere. I doubt many got the feeling but here's my way of describing it.



When I let the council die not from refusal but rather just waiting for the marshaling of Alliance forces. The "feel" I got from walking around in the game I felt like "Crap humanity's in power, the alien's hate us, we're mistrusted, and were not doing anything better, and worst they are less inclinded to help us out"



When I did help the council, I had a "Ok we are part of the community, they mostly respect us, and humanity can get things done easier this way"



Dunno its just sorta how I felt

[Daforth]

Actually, saving the Council is rather saving the DA or not. If you said to Hackett to concentrate on Sovereign AND later push forward re-building the Council, you still have a Paragon end and a new Council is formed by the four species. Narrowing the question to save only 3 ppl lack overview. Hence, saving the DA it is rather saving a potent warship with its huge crew and clear the majority of the Geth army, not only saving the 3 Council member on DA.



Only the pro-human renegade abandons the DA because of the Council (and later push forward a human only Council).

[BellatrixLugosi]

Daforth wrote...

Actually, saving the Council is rather saving the DA or not. If you said to Hackett to concentrate on Sovereign AND later push forward re-building the Council, you still have a Paragon end and a new Council is formed by the four species. Narrowing the question to save only 3 ppl lack overview. Hence, saving the DA it is rather saving a potent warship with its huge crew and clear the majority of the Geth army, not only saving the 3 Council member on DA.

Only the pro-human renegade abandons the DA because of the Council (and later push forward a human only Council).

Thats a Ok point

[FuturePasTimeCE]

dude man, the council's ascension could have atleast used their main cannon during the sovereign conflict...

[Costin_Razvan]

"Crap humanity's in power, the alien's hate us, we're mistrusted, and were not doing anything better, and worst they are less inclinded to help us out"



When I did help the council, I had a "Ok we are part of the community, they mostly respect us, and humanity can get things done easier this way"

I agree with this, and it also played a role in my own decision to save them on my playthroughs.

Only the pro-human renegade abandons the DA because of the Council (and later push forward a human only Council).

There no all human Council in ME2 I think, and I checked both personally in a renegade playthrough where I choose to abandon them specifically for this ( let me tell you that doing the Prologue just for this is a bloody pain in the ass ) and I got no mention from Anderson about there being an all human Council, supposedly he would mention the rest of the Galaxy rather then the rest of the Council when you ask him : What did you expect. ( should you also place Udina as a leader )

And you don't need to be pro-human to not save them btw... I saved them just fine but I stand fully behind Cerberus and TIM with no moral qualm about it. There are other political ways for humanity to gain power WITHOUT becoming what I would call: The Galactic USA. ( I despise the US, go figure )

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 juillet 2010 - 08:05 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

"Crap humanity's in power, the alien's hate us, we're mistrusted, and were not doing anything better, and worst they are less inclinded to help us out"



When I did help the council, I had a "Ok we are part of the community, they mostly respect us, and humanity can get things done easier this way"

I agree with this, and it also played a role in my own decision to save them on my playthroughs.

Only the pro-human renegade abandons the DA because of the Council (and later push forward a human only Council).

There no all human Council in ME2 I think, and I checked both personally in a renegade playthrough where I choose to abandon them specifically for this ( let me tell you that doing the Prologue just for this is a bloody pain in the ass ) and I got no mention from Anderson about there being an all human Council, supposedly he would mention the rest of the Galaxy rather then the rest of the Council when you ask him : What did you expect. ( should you also place Udina as a leader )

And you don't need to be pro-human to save them btw... I saved them just fine but I stand fully behind Cerberus and TIM with no moral qualm about it. There are other political ways for humanity to gain power WITHOUT becoming what I would call: The Galactic USA. ( I despise the US, go figure )

 that's like saying it's okay for darth vader to blow up the entire galactic federation in star wars because then small minded people of earth could then run it all alone like a gang meeting scene in Mad Max... i'd say keep the already organized council... atleast they'd have a more sympathetic ear for humanity in a hypothetical sense for future tension regarding humanity (because humanity helped saved it, plus humanity's apart of it)... 

[Highdragonslayer]

It would be a great asset for the zerg swarm when they invade

[Kronner]

I saved them because all human Council is very bad and most likely will not last very long. Also, to earn the trust of other species.

[Costin_Razvan]

that's like saying it's okay for darth vader to blow up the entire galactic federation in star wars because then small minded people of earth could then run it all alone like a gang meeting scene in Mad Max... i'd say keep the already organized council... atleast they'd have a more sympathetic ear for humanity in a hypothetical sense for future tension regarding humanity (because humanity helped saved it, plus humanity's apart of it)...

I was trying to imply that you can want humanity to be at the top and save them for various political reasons. I probably spelled it wrong in the above post.

As for TIM and Cerberus. The way I see them is they are doing the exact same thing the STG, Asari Commandos and the Turians Agents are doing for their respective agents. Only a naive fool would think those factions aren't just as ruthless as Cerberus.

The system will stay in place, but instead of 3 races secretly trying to gain as much political power through their agents as they can I now would see 4 with hopefully humanity gaining a decisive edge over the rest of them.

Killing the Council for me would almost certainly end in a war, if not soon then many years after the Reapers are defeated.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 juillet 2010 - 08:13 .

[hamtyl07]

I let council die is rather hold the alliance back, bes

ides the council has always pissed me off I prefer humans in control rather than those Damn aliens.

[Comrade Bork]

I usually save the Council because I don't want to sacrifice the DA and the crewmen aboard it. However the dreadnoughts seem to be going the way of the Destroyers. Carriers and small fast ships reacted well against the geth, whereas the dreadnought got pounded by the Geth missile frigates. Carriers will probably (hopefully ) make a huge difference against the Reapers.

[BellatrixLugosi]

hamtyl07 wrote...

I let council die is rather hold the alliance back, bes
ides the council has always pissed me off I prefer humans in control rather than those Damn aliens.

So you would prefer a balkization of the galaxy?

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Either way Soveriegn dies, might as well save the council ,Destiny Ascension, and the 10,000 lives.

[FourSixEight]

I personally wanted to save the Council because A) I'm playing as a Shepard that is in favor of peace between humans and aliens, and I have a very strong feeling that keeping the Council alive and not siding with Cerberus is going to provide a huge payoff. Because if there isn't, what would be the point of the whole 'save the council' option in the first place? There has to be some benefit to saving them.



And if by the time ME3 rolls around, and the Council is refusing to help despite me giving the finger to Cerberus, I will put my mission on hold, go directly to the Citadel, purchase the biggest piece of Sovereign's wreckage I can acquire, and BLUDGEON them over the head with it, screaming 'AH YES, REAPERS' until their heads cave in.



Then, I'll elect Tali, Garrus, and Legion as the new Councilmembers and be on my merry way.

[cbutz]

I saved the council because it would be more beneficial to humanity in the long run. It incorporates humanity into the galactic community further and gives us more influence in matters now. Humanity is right where it needs to be and really wants to be, considering it has only been in contact with the Citadel races for about forty years.

There will be a time when humanity will be the most powerful and dominant force, especially considering how fast and adaptive humanity is. By dominant I do not mean imperial domination, but that humanity has the most influence in matters. An example would be that humanities plans, or solution to a problem would be regarded higher than the turians due to the power, prestige and reputation.

tl dr:Saving the council would shine a better light on humanity, thus when humanity does take over the leadership role from the Asari and Turians, there would be fewer people who would be disgruntled about it.

[Tooneyman]

Udina on the throne all hale the king and shepard as his dark horse!

[AjaxDuo]

First time I played through I thought that if i saved the destiny ascension there would of been a big side effect, e.g. alliance wiped out or something and since one of your team members preaches that you need to hold our fleet back for Sovereign I did. I was rather disapointed that it didn't really have any effect in ME2 (Having a human council) all you got was hated on by a couple of storekeepers and that was about it :/

[Splinter Cell 108]

Saving 10,000 lives plus gaining humanity respect instead of fear and hatred. There are better ways of dealing with the Reaper threat than killing the Council and putting humanity in charge. In fact the original Council might be a bunch of stubborn fools but at least they're better than the idiotic human council that refuses to help or even present themselves in front of the person that put them in power.

[LenNnoOo Vas Normandy]

Never like to see Asaris die. And the destiny ascension is just badass.

Plus i think the council is a better government than the one Humans would have made.

[cachx]

I don't recall someone telling me how much people where on board the Ascension at the moment you had to make the decision. You only find out about the total losses on ME2.

So, without the metagaming knowledge. I choose to save the Ascension just to have a more heroic finale.

Edit: Oh, also. "Focus on Sovereign" makes Hackett look like an ****

Modifié par cachx, 06 juillet 2010 - 11:43 .

[Docbrown777]

I didn't do it to save the Council (politicians are easy to replace. Especially inept ones) but the fact the largest (and I assume most powerful) ship in the galactic fleet was in trouble warranted sending the reinforcements in to help it out.

[jamesraylor]

I saved them to prove that I was better than them, cause I know they would have let a human ship go down had the roles been reversed, so they can put that in their pipe and smoke it, aliens are superior indeed, I think not. They have to eat that Crow every time they see my Shep.

[Christmas Ape]

Ten thousand crewmen, every single one of whom was likely hand-picked from their respective fleets for service aboard the Citadel flagship. Lives not easily recovered if spent.



A fleet of geth ships left to pound a crippled dreadnought into dust, then come for the rest of us.



Sovereign's not the only Reaper, and we're going to need the political goodwill to get our **** together as a unified resistance.



More to the point, the human dominance an abandoned Council would leave in its wake screamed "war with the turians" at me.



We can build a task force of cruisers faster than we could rebuild the Ascension.



And because Shepard's a big goddamn hero, and that's what we do.

[santaclausemoreau]

I saved the council because they were a known. I had no idea who their successors would be if they were left to die. I knew the current council, although not anxious to fully pledge their support to humanity, were willing to allow us to bypass alot of restrictions placed on new species and even let us put one of our own in the spectres. A new council was an unknown and I didnt know how they would react to humanity (I didn't know that I would be able to form a human led council if I let the current council die so that wasn't an option for me)