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[Shadowapothead]

i wounder why some many people dont like Queen Anora

[Renul]

She manipulates you for one. As well as many other small details that I don't wish to take the time to list and explain.

[Shadowapothead]

like what

[Behindyounow]

She's just generally a power hungry b*tch.



She's pretty stuck up too.

[nubbers666]

what do you expect from some 1 born with a silver spoon in her mouth

[Melra]

Well, I'd take Anora over Leliana/Morrigan any day.

[k9medusa]

3 way cat battle to the death any one? who will win?

[Elanorea]

Well, I like her... though I understand why others wouldn't.

[Wonderllama4]

She betrayed me while I was trying to rescue her, leading to my capture! yeah, not the friendliest way to introduce yourself

[_-Greywolf-_]

Behindyounow wrote...

She's just generally a power hungry b*tch.

She's pretty stuck up too.

that.

She has had a taste of power and would do whatever it takes to keep it, I hardly think she has the best interests of Ferelden in mind and would stab you in the back in an instant. You cant tell me that giving the order to have Alistair killed because she sees him as a potential threat for leadership (even though he doesnt even want to be king) is a fair and unselfish act.

[soignee]

katie916 wrote...

what do you expect from some 1 born with a silver spoon in her mouth

sort of not really. She's the daughter of commoners. I really do think Loghain would bring Anora up as the antithesis of what a Arlessa/noble would be like, to be honest

No one likes her as she refuses to "bend over prettily" for the PC, in a computer game where pretty much the people you meet are swayed by what you say without much coercion.

[Corker]

Yeah; she's an NPC with the temerity to act as if she were a PC.

Oh, of course not *your* PC - your PC would never double-cross Kolgrim or murderknife Brother Genitivi or betray a little boy for some demon-loving. Or put their personal desires for happiness and/or power ahead of the potential safety of the entire... well. No no, it's quite all right. I'm sure *your* reasons for doing the Dark Ritual are *far* more selfless than Anora's desire to see a treacherous would-be usurper executed.

[MKDAWUSS]

Corker wrote...

Yeah; she's an NPC with the temerity to act as if she were a PC.

Then where's the one night stand? 

[_-Greywolf-_]

Corker wrote...

Yeah; she's an NPC with the temerity to act as if she were a PC.
Oh, of course not *your* PC - your PC would never double-cross Kolgrim or murderknife Brother Genitivi or betray a little boy for some demon-loving. Or put their personal desires for happiness and/or power ahead of the potential safety of the entire... well. No no, it's quite all right. I'm sure *your* reasons for doing the Dark Ritual are *far* more selfless than Anora's desire to see a treacherous would-be usurper executed.

Was that directed at me or am I just being vain? Really depends on the character I am playing but my main (who shares my own moral compass) never did any of those things (My human noble rouge did but then he is a sleezy stuck up noble just like Anora), saying that Queen Anora's actions are ok just because the PC can do similar and much more horrible things is not an acceptable excuse, it is just a game after all but would you respect anyone who performed those actions in real life? It is the same with Anora, would you respect anyone who did what Anora would do in real life?

[Herr Uhl]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

She betrayed me while I was trying to rescue her, leading to my capture! yeah, not the friendliest way to introduce yourself

It's the other way around, you told the guards exactly what she specifically told you not to tell them. Her identity.

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

She has had a taste of power and would do whatever it takes to keep it, I hardly think she has the best interests of Ferelden in mind and would stab you in the back in an instant.

She thinks that she is best for Ferelden, I thought that much was clear. Hence why she would turn on you if you turn on her.

You cant tell me that giving the order to have Alistair killed because she sees him as a potential threat for leadership (even though he doesnt even want to be king) is a fair and unselfish act.

It is because other people might want to put him on the throne, or say that they do. As he is the "rightful" ruler.

[Anathemic]

Anora's a ****, why?

1) She betrayed me when I rescued her, then after escaping prison she blames me for having the lack of subtlety

2) Power-hungry

3) Ordered Alistair's execution

4) No option to kill her

[CalJones]

1. As Herr Uhl says, she specifically tells you not to give away her identity. If you blab that she's with you to Ser Cauthrien, then you've betrayed her.



2. She's been raised almost from birth to be the queen - she was betrothed to Cailan when they were both infants. She has no idea how to be anything else than a queen and leader. You can't really blame her for wanting to hang on to that.



3. Our of a sense of pragmatism rather than evil. As she says, the country cannot afford another civil war, and others could raise rebellions in Alistair's name even if he himself is reluctant to be king. You can, of course, talk her into letting him go - she's not so cold-hearted that she would insist on going through with the execution of you plead for his release.



4. Not really a good reason to hate her.

[Behindyounow]

On the subject of giving away her identity:



Sure, she says not to blab. But when you do blab, Cauthrien looks like she's just about to give up on Loghain and switch sides. Basically all she needed was confirmation from Anora, who just says that you're kidnapping her (Why you'd put her in armour if you were kidnapping her I have no idea.).



So, Anora is really just an idiot who can't see Cauthrien really doubts in Loghain at that point, or she really is a treacherous cow.

[Gemini1179]

Anora is my second favorite lady in the game. I married her... but didn't even get a kiss...

[_-Greywolf-_]

CalJones wrote...
3. Our of a sense of pragmatism rather than evil. As she says, the country cannot afford another civil war, and others could raise rebellions in Alistair's name even if he himself is reluctant to be king. You can, of course, talk her into letting him go - she's not so cold-hearted that she would insist on going through with the execution of you plead for his release.

Oh please who is going to start a rebelion in the name of a man who doesnt even want the throne? The only way for a rebelion can start is if Alistair leads it himself and it is obvious that wouldnt happen, if anything it is more likely that the Alistair supporters would start a rebelion if Queen Anora decided to murder Alistair for no reason. Really the only reason I can see that Anora would order the execution of Alistair is out of spite and just because she can, the only reason she spares Alistair is because she owes you boon and even then isnt Alistair banished? Alive Alistair poses no threat to the throne at all.

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wonderllama4 wrote...

She betrayed me while I was trying to rescue her, leading to my capture! yeah, not the friendliest way to introduce yourself

It's the other way around, you told the guards exactly what she specifically told you not to tell them. Her identity.

That isnt the only time she tries to betray you, if you tell her you wont support her at the landsmeet she will stab you in the back and claim it was you who kidnapped her.

But all those of you who support queen Anora tell me, who was your main character and what ending did you get?

[PunkNouveau13]

I don't hate her but I don't like her either. (If that kinda makes any sense)

If you do decide to call her out when facing Cauthrien; you pretty much catch Anora off guard so she just went with what she thought would help her.

She is nobility, and with some born into that privilege (decent parenting or not) there is a certain feeling of 'I'm important you should go with my plan' even if they're the ones asking for help. She never really seems that grateful for you help either.

She's stubborn, and doesn't really like change when it's not on her call. Which is completely understandable considering if you're planning on killing her father and taking away a title she's had for years.

It also appears that she is just as power-hungry as her father. She'll only do what is best for the country if it's best for her too.


So I guess it's understandable dislike. But, not so much outright hate.

Although, wanting to have Alistair executed put her on my sh!t list for a moment. <_<

[Patriciachr34]

All, save two of my characters supported Anora. I've never hardened Alistair. Both Alistair and I have killed Loghain (never let him live). Alistair and I go on to kill the Archdemon and make new grey wardens together. I also never betrayed Anora to Cautherine. She specifically states that if her men or her father's men find out who she is, her life is in danger. So telling Cautherine about Anora is betraying Anora.



Just a note on Anora's disposition, I find it amusing that people are appalled at Anora's ambition and the ends she will go to to maintain her power base. There are politicians from all countries who strive to do exactly the same things. These are the same politicians who smile, kiss our babies, eat our chicken, and who we end up voting for. The only difference between Anora and these politicians is that Anora is honest about her intentions.

[Zjarcal]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Just a note on Anora's disposition, I find it amusing that people are appalled at Anora's ambition and the ends she will go to to maintain her power base. There are politicians from all countries who strive to do exactly the same things. These are the same politicians who smile, kiss our babies, eat our chicken, and who we end up voting for. The only difference between Anora and these politicians is that Anora is honest about her intentions.

This is exactly why I always put her on the throne. She's the politician so I'm okay with letting her deal with all the dirty politics in Ferelden.

I hated Anora on my first playthrough (her "betrayal" stung me bad), but after getting some perspective, she really isn't all that bad.

As for executing Alistair, I can see her reasoning (I wouldn't be surprised if Arl Eamon himself would lead a rebellion in favor of Alistair), but the fact that she backs down after getting Alistair's oath is proof enough that she's smart enough that you can reason with her.

[JasonPogo]

I used to hate Anora. Then I played through as a male human noble and married her. I don't know there is just something very sweet in the way she says she is nervus about the wedding. And then in the beginning of Awakening when she comes to meet you rather than Alistair. It is nothing obvious but you really get the impression that there are some real feelings between the Warden and her.

[Sarah1281]

Although, wanting to have Alistair executed put her on my sh!t list for a moment.

If he wanders off and becomes a drunk there ARE rebellions held in his name. And Alistair insisting on killing her father despite the fact that you and Riordan decided to make him a GW (as if you agree with killing Loghain then she doesn't call for his head) puts Alistair on HER **** list.