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[Bluko]

I think we all kind of know how Mass Effect 3 is going to handle squadmates, but most of us don't want to believe it because we've each grown so fond of certain characters from ME1 and ME2. (Heck even I don't really want to...)

That is: none of them will return as Squadmates in ME3.

Yep. And I know what you're saying: "This is blasphemy! This is madness!" but before you kick me into the pit of doom hear me out and accept the likely reality of what is to come.

The fact of the matter is every squadmate from ME1 and ME2 can potentially be dead except for Liara. Do you really think Bioware is going to make a game with 16+ characters or something? I don't think so. ME2 was almost exclusively about characters and they were only able to finish 10 of the 12 before they released the game. Trying to add all the old characters or even some of them as squadmates would just be a variable nightmare. There is no way Bioware could make a balanced game around mostly squadmates who may or may not be dead for your Shepard in ME3.

It's for this reason I believe every squadmate you have in ME3 will likely be a new character. And this is just a guess, but maybe there will be 6-8 of them, that way you have fairly well balaced and unique team. Why do I think this? Because Casey Hudson himself even elluded in an interview awhile back how it's fun/interesting to meet new characters. I think this basically makes it clear almost all the squadmates in ME3 will be new. Which isn't all that bad really, as it's chance to meet some new faces and learn things we yet are still clueless about in the Mass Effect Universe. However on these new squadmates I can speculate no further.


Now to answer some of the questions that will surely arise:

"I saved everyone I could in ME1 and ME2! You can't honestly tell me they won't come back! What would be the point of all them then?!"

Your old squadmates will return and likely play large roles in ME3. However they just  will not be in your squad. Instead they will likely be important NPCs for certain Missions and whether you kept them alive or not, helped them or not, may ultimately effect that mission(s). Simply put they will make cameo appearences, but probably nothing much more.

"What about my romances? If they don't rejoin Shepard in ME3 how could they continue?"

Just because a character isn't a squadmate doesn't mean you couldn't romance them anymore. Who knows how Bioware will handle this? Maybe you can woo your old romance interest again by buying them flowers or something like that while you are away. In fact this could ultimately lead to some pretty interesting new game mechanics/scenarios when you think about it.

Also remember that Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara were romance options in ME1. Yet in ME2 they were more or less put on hold. So it really would not be surprising if Bioware did the same again. Although hopefully you will actually be able to continue romances this time.

"What about Liara? Why wouldn't she be a squadmate in ME3 seeing as she has to live in every game?"

I'll concede here that if there is any character that rejoins your team in ME2 it's going to be Liara. However it's strongly alluded to that she's going to be the next Shadow Broker which likely means she'll be too busy to rejoin you. Also being the Shadow Broker is likely to entail something important in ME3 which is another reason why she'll have to remain behind again.

"What about Ashley/Kaidan? One of them has to still be alive?"

True, but that's also the problem. Either one one of them can be alive. That said it may not be entirely unreasonable for Ashley/Kaidan to rejoin you. The only problem is gameplay wise one is a Soldier the other is Sentinel. That kind of scews your team balance, but who knows they could return along with some other Alliance character to make up for that. However this is probably more work then Bioware wants to put in for squadmates so don't count on it.

"But everybody loves Garrus and Tali, how could they do this us?!"

Trust me I do to. But hey everybody loved Wrex didn't they? Assuming you kept him alive he had a fairly decent role to play in ME2. I expect Garrus and Tali will have similar roles depending on whether you kept them alive or not, and how you handled their personal conflicts. In fact Tali and Garrus may play very large roles in dealing with the Quarians/Turians in ME3. They may even rejoin you in a mission of some sort, but I don't expect them to be actual squadmates again. It was already lucky that they came back in ME2 as squadmates, I don't expect them to be in all 3 games. Garrus and Tali have personally helped Shepard enough if you ask me.

"What about Legion and the Geth?"

As interesting as Legion is, there was also an option to sell it. Again I can't say for certain how Bioware will handle the Geth in ME3 but I'm sure Legion will play a very important role assuming it is still fuctioning. Also Grunt may share a similar role with the Krogan seeing as you didn't have to free him. But since they can both die I doubt they will be squadmates again.


Well I think those are most of the objections people will have to my insidious claim. Granted I can't prove that I anymore right since I am somewhat speculating again, but I got a hunch that this is how things are going to turn out like it or not. It would be nice if someone from Bioware would actually comment on this, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon. So until then no one can truly be sure of what is to come.


*Erects a Barrier*

Modifié par Bluko, 08 août 2010 - 05:55 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I suggest you change the title to something more suitable; it's misleading.

[Massadonious1]

More like, I it.

[Zulu_DFA]

Yes.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Actually, let's face it. Bluko does raise valid points and is being realistic if anything. I appreciate the effort he put into this because, while I personally support squadmates returning in ME3, this is something I can't just put aside and hope it's not going to happen. Moreover, if there is one thing I've learned from my 16-year-old gaming career, it's how you shouldn't get your hopes too high up before playing a new game.

[ObserverStatus]

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

I think there's at least a small chance we'll get one squadmate from ME2 as long as they survived. You know, an import bonus basically. My money is on Garrus.

Of-course I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Possibly Day 1 DLC, like Zaeed. Same for Jack, Zaeed (again), and Kasumi.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

I think there's at least a small chance we'll get one squadmate from ME2 as long as they survived. You know, an import bonus basically. My money is on Garrus.

Of-course I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Possibly Day 1 DLC, like Zaeed. Same for Jack, Zaeed (again), and Kasumi.

I wouldn't mind having Zaeed again as DLC.

But it won't happen because Bioware won't make DLC that some people won't experience (because he's possibly dead).

[Bluko]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I suggest you change the title to something more suitable; it's misleading.

Can't really think of something better. At least I can't think of anything that isn't super long like "All ME3 squadmates will be new!" which sounds snobby to begin with. I think my title is catchy and has some merit given the subject of my post. True enough it's also a quote from Commander Shepard as well when you disconnect from the Council too often.



Yeah like I said I'm not exactly fond of the idea of having no more Garrus with me. It's taken me this long just to accept it now as I kept trying to rationalize why Garrus and Tali must come back for ME3. Sadly I can no longer fool myself that this is the case. Though I would not mind if by miracle Bioware made them squadmates again.

[Bluko]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yes.

Ah I've seen that before.

Yes I'm sure that something like this topic has been posted at least several times before, but searching for such things can be a nightmare. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but from what I've seen on the subject I thought I may as well give my own 2 cents to further clarify.

[Daerog]

Well, the way I thought of it is that it will check who was recruited/lived in ME1 and ME2 and those will be your crewmembers in ME3. You need at least 2 from ME2, but even if those two are cut due to DLC reasons, there is still at least 2 from ME1. So, if you decided to kill everyone and not recruit some people, then you will have the minimum squadies.

Actually, that does seem a tad unfair to those people, but they did choose to do that to all their previous allies. Eh, we'll all find out a couple weeks before ME3 is released.

[Bluko]

Shandepared wrote...

I think there's at least a small chance we'll get one squadmate from ME2 as long as they survived. You know, an import bonus basically. My money is on Garrus.

Of-course I'm not gonna hold my breath.

That's be cool if they did, but I wouldn't hold my breath either.

Again though I think it's highly probable that if you kept your squadmates from ME2 alive you'll get to fight with them again in a specific mission in ME3. Thing is this is much easier for the Devs to pull off. So if you kept Garrus alive maybe he'll act as Sniper support in some mission and if you didn't well you just get some other Turian dude. This I can see happening.

[snfonseka]

It's a foolish to think that all of the ME2 squad mates will return as squad mates in ME3. But it is also foolish to think that none of them return.



BTW what you (@ Bluko) are expecting by putting a non relevant, misleading title for this thread?

[Bluko]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Well, the way I thought of it is that it will check who was recruited/lived in ME1 and ME2 and those will be your crewmembers in ME3. You need at least 2 from ME2, but even if those two are cut due to DLC reasons, there is still at least 2 from ME1. So, if you decided to kill everyone and not recruit some people, then you will have the minimum squadies.
Actually, that does seem a tad unfair to those people, but they did choose to do that to all their previous allies. Eh, we'll all find out a couple weeks before ME3 is released.

Remember each Mass Effect game is meant to be a stand-alone game.

A.K.A. even if you haven't played ME1 or ME2 yet you can jump in and still be able to play/make sense of the game. This is another reason why it makes sense that all the squadmates would be new. That way new players won't be as overwhelmed if they decide to play Mass Effect 3.

A number of folks played ME2 before they played ME1, and if ME3 truly perfects the formula in terms of RPG/Shooter I'm sure many more will do the same. Now that I think about it the Mass Effect series is marketing genius since anyone who picks up the sequels will most likely feel compelled to pick up the prequels at some point.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Bluko wrote...

Remember each Mass Effect game is meant to be a stand-alone game.

A.K.A. even if you haven't played ME1 or ME2 yet you can jump in and still be able to play/make sense of the game. This is another reason why it makes sense that all the squadmates would be new. That way new players won't be as overwhelmed if they decide to play Mass Effect 3.

A number of folks played ME2 before they played ME1, and if ME3 truly perfects the formula in terms of RPG/Shooter I'm sure many more will do the same. Now that I think about it the Mass Effect series is marketing genius since anyone who picks up the sequels will most likely feel compelled to pick up the prequels at some point.

This is unfortunately true. BioWare's favorite formula seems to be: potential customers > current customers 

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 07 juillet 2010 - 08:57 .

[Bluko]

snfonseka wrote...

It's a foolish to think that all of the ME2 squad mates will return as squad mates in ME3. But it is also foolish to think that none of them return.

BTW what you (@ Bluko) are expecting by putting a non relevant, misleading title for this thread?

Okay okay I get it. I'll change the thread title.  <_<

Anyways can you give some reason why some of the squadmates from ME2 will return and some won't? Let me me run you through my thought process quick...

Let's say you get Tali killed in ME2. But Tali is/can be a squadmate in ME3. So in order to keep the game fair for all those going into ME3 Tali must be replaced by another Quarian Mechanic. Which entails writing a whole bunch of new dialogue, hiring another VA, and then testing to make sure that additional replacement character works.

Now let's say only 4 squadmates from ME2 come back, which is pretty modest. But since all 4 characters can die that means there has to be 4 replacements characters. That's 4 more characters then Bioware needs to create, and just results in ton of more work. Keep in mind ME3 is suppose to come out in Dec. 2011 or early 2012 so they don't have all the time in the world to do this stuff.

Wouldn't it be easier to just make 4 new characters and just throw the old ME2 squadmates somewhere in the game as general NPCs instead?

[Zulu_DFA]

Bluko wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yes.

Ah I've seen that before.

Yes I'm sure that something like this topic has been posted at least several times before, but searching for such things can be a nightmare. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but from what I've seen on the subject I thought I may as well give my own 2 cents to further clarify.

With one horse dead, it's never bad to have a new one. To beat it to death all over afresh.

[snfonseka]

Bluko wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

It's a foolish to think that all of the ME2 squad mates will return as squad mates in ME3. But it is also foolish to think that none of them return.

BTW what you (@ Bluko) are expecting by putting a non relevant, misleading title for this thread?

Okay okay I get it. I'll change the thread title.  <_<

Anyways can you give some reason why some of the squadmates from ME2 will return and some won't? Let me me run you through my thought process quick...

Let's say you get Tali killed in ME2. But Tali is/can be a squadmate in ME3. So in order to keep the game fair for all those going into ME3 Tali must be replaced by another Quarian Mechanic. Which entails writing a whole bunch of new dialogue, hiring another VA, and then testing to make sure that additional replacement character works.

Now let's say only 4 squadmates from ME2 come back, which is pretty modest. But since all 4 characters can die that means there has to be 4 replacements characters. That's 4 more characters then Bioware needs to create, and just results in ton of more work. Keep in mind ME3 is suppose to come out in Dec. 2011 or early 2012 so they don't have all the time in the world to do this stuff.

Wouldn't it be easier to just make 4 new characters and just throw the old ME2 squadmates somewhere in the game as general NPCs instead?

It is obvious that not all of the squad mates from ME2 will be there. For example lets say 5 are returning... then with another 2 from ME1 (another example value) the total will become 7. Then if there are 5 new characters the entire squad will be 12. So the player who save his entire squad will have 12 members and the player who don't will have 7 members.

[Caesar914]

The way I've looked at it I never try and deal out absolutes on this topic. But I have imagined before a game where certain squadmates leave the Normandy and go out on their own to do their own thing or help Shepard in other ways. For example I imagine Mordin leaving in order to cure the genophage, Tali to help lead the quarians and possibly replace her father as an Admiral, Grunt to go help Wrex unify the krogan, etc.

[JRCHOharry]

Aw i liked the old title

[Mister Mida]

I doubt that the survival rate of your team in ME2 will put much weight on ME3's team, but there has to be some kind of reward for people who import a save instead of start a new game.
I think some team members are bound to leave or die in certain situations after the Collectors are defeated. Samara would not stay if you're playing as Renegade for example, and there's a chance Miranda and Jack are gonna have a showdown if you kept both loyal, resulting in one or both of them dead or leaving. 
Guess we'll find out once the main story DLC is being released.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 07 juillet 2010 - 09:53 .

[Ieldra]

I have to admit valid points are raised by the OP. I have two things to say about it:



(1) If it turns out that way, I will not like the result. I think regarding squadmates, we need continuity more than anything else in ME3. It's many people's no. 1 wish on the list.



(2) If we get one old squadmate and it's Garrus or Tali, I will feel cheated, and so will everyone else who doesn't particularly care about those two.

[Raizo]

I would like to think that all of the squadmates in ME2 will return in ME3 but deep, deep down I can't be 100% sure.



As you pointed out, alot of ME2's squadmates could potentially die in the ME2 suicide mission. What happens to the gamer who is stupid enough to allow this to happen in ME2 and carries his/her save over to ME3, will Bioware punish him and force him/her to play through ME3 with a bare minimum of squadmates or will they allow them to recruit new squadmates in ME? Someone in this community ( sorry I don't remeber who ) once said that Bioware doesn't really believe in punishing the gamer for making the choices they do but rather rewards them, I like the idea in theory but it does throw a wrench into my hopes and fears that ME2's squadmates will return in ME3. ME2's squad is too large ( 10 characters, 12 if you incliude DLC characters ) then there is prospect of Ashley/Kaiden and Liara returning, now you want to add new squadmates for ME3, charcters that have to be developed and will take time grow and love. Concidering how much time is wasted in ME2 gathering your squad and getting to know them I don't think I can sit through somthing like this again. But still there is always that threat that Bioware will have to add a few new charcaters to ME3 just to balnce out the fact that someone in ME2 would be dead.



Then you have another issue, the fear that someone at Bioware ( or to be more exact EA ) will push for completly new squad of charcters in ME3 because they want to make the game easy for gamers new to the ME Universe to jump into without getting booged down by the bagge of ME1 and ME2 story or thier old squadmates. Nowadays everyone wants to make thier games as easy and as casual as possible beacuse they want to attract new gamers. You find that with alot of series ( especially rpg's ) that developers are more concerned with attracting new gamers than servicing the existing fanbase. How will alot of us react if none of ME2's squadmates returned for ME3 or most were relegated to cameo appearances.

[Badpie]

I'm not sure what they'll do or how they'll do it. I'd hate to be a writer for Bioware right now. I would imagine that most if not all of ME2's squaddies will not be squadmates again, though I wouldn't be surprised by Miranda. They put a lot of effort into her look and voice and she's tough to kill off in the end.



Obviously I'd love it if Liara and Ash came back as squadmates. I don't really see why they wouldn't.



But this whole thing where they let you kill people is kind of a huge inconvenience for the writing team I'd imagine.



At the same time, while ME2 kind of felt like it could be a stand-alone game I don't see that happening for ME3. There's too much history from the first two games for them to just ignore and come up with something new....although I guess they did a pretty ****** poor job of this in 2 when they decided not to make a big deal out of Cerberus, and find convenient "story driven" ways to exclude previous squad members (which wouldn't have been so bad had the writing on Horizon and Illium not been some of the worst Bioware has ever done).