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[Wittand25]

MY theory is that apart from one to four fan favourites,who remain/rejoin the squad mostsquadmates from ME2 will be turned into big cameos (some bigger than the wrex one in ME2).
Even allowing them to return as plot important cameos means that it will take a lot of work, making all of them squad-members again is way to much work(dialog,powers,...) for way to little pay off not to mention that just like ME1 and 2 ME3 is supposed to be able to be viewed as stand alone title and having the whole cast return would make that harder.
I think
Squadmates (if survived) will be Tali,Garrus, and Liara.
Big Cameos (think of the level of TIM or Kelly in ME2):the Virmire surviver, the surviving Cerberus squad-members, Legion, the Krogans, Mordin.
Smaller Cameos (like Wrex in ME2): the rest of the squad-members, the cameo can include additional cut-scenes if you had a romance active
If it is done right a cameo still allows s lot of interaction between Shepard and the NPC, but at the same time makes it easier to replace a dead NPC with someone else without the waste of too many resources.

Modifié par Wittand25, 30 juillet 2010 - 05:38 .

[troyk890]

If they do make all new sqaudmates there better be a damn good excuse(ingame) for it. I don't see the logic in all twelve leaving when they know the reapers are trying to destroy all life in the galaxy. What personal problem is bigger than that?

[Sitrol]

I would be really happy if everyone from ME1 and ME2 were in ME3,considering that they're not dead.

But the two characters I really want are: Wrex and Garrus.Why?Because they were my squad in ME1.They kick ass...they're by far my favourite characters.And IF Wrex succeeds in strengthening the Krogan race as a whole...well that's a whole Korgan army + Shepard and his squad against the Reapers.And as the others have said:Garrus has really no reason to leave Shepard...

[Mallissin]

I think they will let you swap out people. For instance, if you want Wrex back you can take Grunt to Tuchunka and have him take over the clan temporarily. If you want Kaidan/Ashley back, you trade in Miranda/Jacob or Liara for Jack/Thane.



But I also think they'll offer new characters to swap as well. Like maybe swapping Samara/Morinth for Aria.



But I'm pretty sure Tali and Garrus will always be in your group.

[NanQuan]

Mallissin wrote...

I think they will let you swap out people. For instance, if you want Wrex back you can take Grunt to Tuchunka and have him take over the clan temporarily. If you want Kaidan/Ashley back, you trade in Miranda/Jacob or Liara for Jack/Thane.

But I also think they'll offer new characters to swap as well. Like maybe swapping Samara/Morinth for Aria.

But I'm pretty sure Tali and Garrus will always be in your group.

^This is a really interesting idea. I could live with swapping certain characters for one another. Seems like a somewhat fair compromise.

What I would LIKE to see, because I do want all the squadmates to come back, is that the game is massive in scope and that importing a save with the majority of characters alive results in a completely different experience from a fresh start. Basically there'd be two different kinds of games in one package. Now the amount of work for this would be mindboggling, but it would also achieve the branching alternatives and multiple paths that Bioware is seeking to create. But this is mostly wishful thinking. Really I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed that Bioware can figure it out and give us back our squadmates.

Another compromise I'm willing to make: Give me back Wrex and I won't ask for anything else. lol:wub:

[adriano_c]

Sharptooth wrote...

Legion dead = It'd be dead easy for the Geth to roll another 'Legion' of their production line, with the exact same voice and 'mannerism'. Humorously, it would complete the circle. Legion has tried to emulate Shepard to the utmost possible, with a Legion coming back for the old one, he even repeats Shepard's dead and being brought

Laf, really good idea.

[Segameister]

Shandepared wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Hey look, it's someone who was butthurt over Me2 who spends hours of their life trying to convince other people who enjoyed the game that no matter what they will be disappointed with the third one.

Hye look, it's another internet White Knight who thinks that Bioware will reward them in some way if they defend them from any and all criticism.

Riiiiight.... I don't think Shandepared is defending Bioware, rather he's pointing out the idiocy of bashing for Bioware for something they "think" Bioware will do.   

If everyone with something negative to say would only wait until the game is released, play it, then cry foul over what they actually did or didn't do with ME3, this thread (which is great, IMHO) would be doing better!

In relation to this thread, I missed not having the ME1 squad onboard for ME2, yet still greatly enjoyed the game.  Bioware can do what they want, personal experience says I'll be very satisfied with ME3

[tonnactus]

Segameister wrote...

Just how difficult is it to kill Miranda?

Difficult? Take her unloyal to the reaper boss.Thats all to do.

[Merlin 47]

Mallissin wrote...

I think they will let you swap out people. For instance, if you want Wrex back you can take Grunt to Tuchunka and have him take over the clan temporarily. If you want Kaidan/Ashley back, you trade in Miranda/Jacob or Liara for Jack/Thane.

But I also think they'll offer new characters to swap as well. Like maybe swapping Samara/Morinth for Aria.

But I'm pretty sure Tali and Garrus will always be in your group.

This isn't a bad idea....but what I would like to see is to have the crew I had in ME 2, back wtih Ash/Kaiden, Liara and Wrex.  That's all I want.

...Yes....I wan the ENTIRE TEAM back.  However....if they're going to have me swap someone for someone else......I guess I could trade Jacob in for Ash....PROVIDING they leave me Zaeed and Kasumi still.   Liara for Jack.....tempting....I'm not crazy about either of them.....but I'd like to see what the "new" Liara could do....

In regards to Wrex, I think Wrex should fall back to a Major NPC role - where he leads a squad of Krogan to help fight the collectors.

Tali and Garrus always in the group.....that's fine with me.

[Segameister]

Sitrol wrote...

I would be really happy if everyone from ME1 and ME2 were in ME3,considering that they're not dead.
But the two characters I really want are: Wrex and Garrus.Why?Because they were my squad in ME1.They kick ass...they're by far my favourite characters.And IF Wrex succeeds in strengthening the Krogan race as a whole...well that's a whole Korgan army + Shepard and his squad against the Reapers.And as the others have said:Garrus has really no reason to leave Shepard...

If I was thinking in terms of the story, Wrex will be needed to lead that Krogan army in ME3, thus be a very important character in the plot, but too busy to be in the squad.  Unless there was an action level where you join up with his army, only to split off with him as a part of an attack plan or something, but he's only in the squad for that level.  That would work out pretty cool if written right!

The same for Legion, he'd be a good representative for the Geth army if they join in the fight against the reapers (which I think is logical with or without him based on what he said about the Geth's mindset in ME2).  Again, to busy to be part of the squad, but important.

They could do this with a LOT of the existing characters that don't make the squad(assuming they lived):

Zaeed could take over the Blue Suns again and have them participate, with Jack's disposition she could be his right hand "man". 
Miranda  &/or Jacob could direct whatever forces Cerberus adds to the mix. 
Wrex & Grunt could fight with the Krogan Army. 
Ashley/Kaiden in the army forces. 
Thane (if he didn't die from illness) could gather up any other assassin's he know for a special task
Kasumi could steal TIM's ashtray.
Mordin could create a cure for the 'phage as incentive for the Krogans to fight.
Samara could use her role to encourage the Asari to prepare sooner versus later for the upcoming conflict.

Any characters that don't have a good story reason to not be on the crew could potentially stay: Tali, Garrus, Kasumi, etc.  Leaving a bit of space for some new characters to be recruited, if that was the plan.

This is just some 'musings',  there is so much to the ME universe that can support LOTS of great ideas, Bioware will be able to think of some great ideas to explain who's on or off the crew.

[Mallissin]

I figured the teasing from Bioware about cheating on your love interests had an impact in ME3, meant that you'd be faced with decisions that pitted two love interests against one another. Hence why I'm guessing you'll have the ability to swap. They might even make it rough on you, making a good case for you to swap even though you don't want to give the person up.

[angj57]

I doubt they will be changing the engine much from 2 to 3, which means that most of the look, powers, etc of the old characters is already done. That means it will be actually easier for them to bring back old ones than create new ones. Anyone remember Baldur's Gate Throne of Bhaal? In that they brought back all old characters, adding one new one, even though any of them could have been dead and in any given playthrough you would only have used some of them. And again, I loved Mass Effect 2 as did most people, but in retrospect, given that we spent the significant majority of the game building a team, I will be pretty disapointed with it if that team only lasts for one mission.

The way I see it:
Ahsley/Kaiden, Liara, Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, Tali, Grunt, Thane, and Jack plus 2 new ones would all be on the team. Samarra/Morinth could go back to the Justicars/just being a serial killer, Legion could return to the Geth, Wrex is busy on Tuchanka, Mordin could start doing full time research on the Reapers, and Zaeed and Kasumi could return to their old lives. That would be a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 12 teammates-- we had 10 in Dragon Age (plus a lot of redshirts) so it's not like that is too many, especially since their animations and powers are all already done.

Modifié par angj57, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:21 .

[thegreateski]

Thane - dead due to disease
Mordin - dead due to old age
Samara - Agreed to help with your suicide mission. May still be around.
Grunt - The Krogan are going to let you keep their uber-krogan. Right.
Garrus - He's got nothing better to do. Will probably still be around.
Tali - May have returned to the fleet, stayed with your ship, or wandered off. This will depend on if she was exiled or not.
Miranda - may or may not still be around. Depends if Shepard quit Cerberus or not (TIM stops looking after her sister and she has to go do it herself)
Jacob - Will probably die. He's just too damn normal to live.
Jack - May or may not be around. If romanced will probably stick around. If not she'll go hunting down Cerberus agents.
Legion - He joined up with Shepard to fight to "old machines". He may still be around or he may have returned to the Geth so he can share data, ready the fleets,compute Pi, or do whatever the feck it is that Geth do.

My 2 cents

Modifié par thegreateski, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:17 .

[angj57]

thegreateski wrote...

Grunt - The Krogan are going to let you keep their uber-krogan. Right.

They didn't seem to care that much about Grunt, and Grunt didn't seem too willing to take their orders. Besides, he got to chose a battlemaster and he chose Shepard, so it makes sense to me that he would stay with that battlemaster for more than a week or however long it took from Tuchanka through the suicide mission.

From a meta-gaming perspective, there is obviously gonna be a Krogan on your team, and I doubt they are gonna bother to create a third new one, so that means either Grunt or Wrex. Grunt seems more likely as Wrex has an important other job to do.

[Merlin 47]

Like I said, I want just about everyone back in ME 3 for your team. I will still stand by the fact that Wrex won't be on the squad, because of his role as leader of the Krogan. But....I'd be willing to take Ash and Liara back on my squad. I just want everyone from ME 2 to return; I made sure to keep them all alive during the Suicide Run and I want them there on the ship when I play ME 3.

[fantasypisces]

I think some will return and some will not. Bioware has said your choices will have consequences in ME3, I take that to mean that if you had some crew-members die, they will not be back, if they lived, then they will, with some exceptions:



Thane I feel will have passed away due to his disease, so he will not return at all.

Mordin will be rather old, and he was mostly recruited to deal with the seeker swarms, so I think he will retire.

Jack won't be back unless you romanced her.

Samara will not be back if you were renegade (she essentially says this from the beginning), if you were Paragon she might leave if you recruit Aria (dismiss me if you want, I think Aria will have a significant role because she has been in everything lately - see comics, books, game).

Zaeed leaves, his 'job' is over.

Kasumi leaves because she was DLC, but probably has a cameo.

Liara would not be back if you make her the new shadow broker in the DLC (just a hunch, but all speculation at this point). But would have essential cameo's for plot.

Tali 'could' leave to become an admiral, but I see it unlikely.



People that will absolutely not leave:

Miranda: If you go renegade, she is loyal to cerberus, if you go Paragon she quits Cerberus, either way she is staying with you.

Jacob: He is basically your thrall, since he has no real character development there is no reason for him to leave unless Bioware axe him.

Garrus: He's essentially your second in command

Legion: I think he may be to essential to the plot, plus he is a fan favorite

Grunt: His purpose is to fight the strongest, you are his battle-master, he won't leave you except for something dire.

[CROAT_56]

Merlin 47 wrote...

Like I said, I want just about everyone back in ME 3 for your team. I will still stand by the fact that Wrex won't be on the squad, because of his role as leader of the Krogan. But....I'd be willing to take Ash and Liara back on my squad. I just want everyone from ME 2 to return; I made sure to keep them all alive during the Suicide Run and I want them there on the ship when I play ME 3.

+9999999999999.99

it would be just plain stupid to give those VA evan a role if they were reduced to cameo.  Why you may ask, because they would be payed the same as they would for there previouse projects regardless of how many lines they recieve so to all those who assume it costs more recources to bring the team back Ill make a quick outline for ya

ME3 with new SMs and ME1 and 2 SMs cameos
Previouse VA=Same paycheck + New charechters=New paycheck and the time finding a suitable VA, The time to design and develop a new charecter, the time to write that charecter in, and the time to develop diologue for where they have been and why they didn't join earlier.= A lot of time and recources

ME3 with old SMs
Previouse VA=Same pay check+ Just add on to the charecters story that was already started = much cheaper, less time consuming and those who played ME1 and ME2 that enjoyed both games won't leave a steamy pile of poo at BW's front door.

For those who say that ME3 is meant to be a stand-alone game and would rob the new players because they don't know the backstory of the SMs then just add it into an intro or pregame trailers of who the charecters are simaler to the trailers released pre ME2. 

It is not that hard to get all the SMs to survive the mission basicly just play the game and your team survives. 
Sorry for the rant but I just had to get this off my chest.

[Merlin 47]

CROAT_56 wrote...
Sorry for the rant but I just had to get this off my chest.

Eh, no biggie.

I just would hate to have all of them reduced to Cameo roles.

fantasypisces wrote...
Liara would not be back if you make her the new shadow broker in the DLC (just a hunch, but all speculation at this

Be careful not to post this in the "New DLC" thread.  I guess there are a few people there that absolutely refuse to believe that Liara will become the new Shadow Broker.

I personally agree with you, fantasy.  I don't see why the option at least wouldn't be there?

[fantasypisces]

Merlin 47 wrote...

CROAT_56 wrote...
Sorry for the rant but I just had to get this off my chest.

Eh, no biggie.

I just would hate to have all of them reduced to Cameo roles.

fantasypisces wrote...
Liara would not be back if you make her the new shadow broker in the DLC (just a hunch, but all speculation at this

Be careful not to post this in the "New DLC" thread.  I guess there are a few people there that absolutely refuse to believe that Liara will become the new Shadow Broker.

I personally agree with you, fantasy.  I don't see why the option at least wouldn't be there?

Hehe, thanks.
I'm a big Liara fanboi, stayed loyal in the romance, all that jazz. But even I'm not so naive to think the option would not be available.

[KainrycKarr]

I think it's safe to say Jacob will NOT be back. Period. Easily the most disliked and uninteresting character in the series.



I know there's probably ten people somewhere that adore him, but let's be honest; the majority of ME players probably wouldn't even notice if he just vanished from ME3 without any warning/explanation.

[Merlin 47]

fantasypisces wrote...

Hehe, thanks.
I'm a big Liara fanboi, stayed loyal in the romance, all that jazz. But even I'm not so naive to think the option would not be available.

You're very welcome.  It's always nice to chat about these things in a friendly way without being insulted for this or that.

And yeah...I'm thinking that the option would be available as well.  For some reason, it just makes sense for it to be there.

[Ninniach Lina]

Cool story bro.

Modifié par Ninniach Lina, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:27 .

[Merlin 47]

KainrycKarr wrote...

I think it's safe to say Jacob will NOT be back. Period. Easily the most disliked and uninteresting character in the series.

I know there's probably ten people somewhere that adore him, but let's be honest; the majority of ME players probably wouldn't even notice if he just vanished from ME3 without any warning/explanation.

However....there ARE those that did romance him.  Which is why, I'd bet on him returning before I'd bet on him dying.  Do I hate him?  No....I actually think he's not bad, in the early game.  He's better than Kaiden, at least (IMO).


No....I do want him back at least for the final game.  The only person I wouldn't want to come back would be Kelly.  I just didn't find her to be all that useful as a Yeoman.

....I want Pressley back, damnit!

[Tokion]

They *could* all be dead but I bet almost all people here have a save that all of them made it out, and that I think this is an achievement bioware wants to reward its players if they have been playing so far into the trillogy.

Of course you could import a save that is "worse as possible", it is your choice but I think those people will miss out on alot of ME3 dialogues and contents. I could safely say that the *cannon* shepard in ME3 have at least SOME squadmates alive, but not all if I have to guess, and those squadmates should have signicantly more dialogues than the one that "should have died".

Modifié par Tokion, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:43 .