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Squad Composition of ME3- A discussion


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Merlin 47 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

I think it's safe to say Jacob will NOT be back. Period. Easily the most disliked and uninteresting character in the series.

I know there's probably ten people somewhere that adore him, but let's be honest; the majority of ME players probably wouldn't even notice if he just vanished from ME3 without any warning/explanation.



However....there ARE those that did romance him.  Which is why, I'd bet on him returning before I'd bet on him dying.  Do I hate him?  No....I actually think he's not bad, in the early game.  He's better than Kaiden, at least (IMO).


No....I do want him back at least for the final game.  The only person I wouldn't want to come back would be Kelly.  I just didn't find her to be all that useful as a Yeoman.

....I want Pressley back, damnit! :pinched:


A lot of people's arguments are about popularity, and like I said, there are some that like jacob.

But based on everyone's popularity argument, Jacob would be the first to get the hammer.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

A lot of people's arguments are about popularity, and like I said, there are some that like jacob.

But based on everyone's popularity argument, Jacob would be the first to get the hammer.



Oh, I know.  I'm just trying to present the other side of the argument is all.  To be completely honest and realistic, if I had to bet who'd get the axe first, it would be Jacob.  I just would hope it's not...

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I hope that Kaidan returns as a full squadmate. Perhaps he won't be "new" but I have a feeling (based on what I saw in ME2), that he's become a darkened soul, which will be reflected in ME3. Perhaps not to Garrus's extent, but if it really took him two years to get over Shepard and the Collector attack, there might be some issues to deal with.

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Brodyaha wrote...

I hope that Kaidan returns as a full squadmate. Perhaps he won't be "new" but I have a feeling (based on what I saw in ME2), that he's become a darkened soul, which will be reflected in ME3. Perhaps not to Garrus's extent, but if it really took him two years to get over Shepard and the Collector attack, there might be some issues to deal with.

Maybe I'll decide not to kill him on Virmire just to see if he's less unlikable in ME3... Nah, he's just too damn stupid...

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They just better be prepared for the massive forum explosion of threads if Tali's not in it.

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as I said before bioware needs to dig deep and finally find their quads and say "look...you killed everyone off in ME2? you recruited bare minimum for ME1? good, you will have only Liara + the mandatory 3 new squaddies for ME3. Live with the consequences of your actions as we always advertised for the ME serie"



but since they have EA's leash wrapped around their quads this will probably not happen

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But really, think about it, Thane for example only has one year to live after the events of the second game. I'm sure he won't be in it very long if at all, finding a cure for him would be way too cheesy as much as I would like him to live..well I kinda don't it's his character but still you know what I mean. Another thing is Miranda, they seemed to have put alot of interest in her and tried to get her to be noticed...alot. Seeing as they clearly wanted her to be noticed she's not going anywhere.

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crimzontearz wrote...

as I said before bioware needs to dig deep and finally find their quads and say "look...you killed everyone off in ME2? you recruited bare minimum for ME1? good, you will have only Liara + the mandatory 3 new squaddies for ME3. Live with the consequences of your actions as we always advertised for the ME serie"


And the fact is, if someone truly did the absolute bare minimum in both ME1 and ME2, I don't see why he would care to import his character rather than just create a new one in ME3. They could just set most people to have survived if you create a new character. It just doesn't make business sense to anger the large number of dedicated fans who want their squads back for the small fraction of hypothetical semi-casual fans who care about importing a character but managed to get everyone killed. Also, they can bring back Liara, Kaiden/Ashley, and 2 new squadmates and then everyone would have 4 team mates minimum.

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Chim3ra wrote...

They just better be prepared for the massive forum explosion of threads if Tali's not in it.



Tali will be playable because the alternative is unspeakably nightmarish (by which I mean huge frothing hatred from the many lovers of the old buckethead in this wonderful community)

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I just thought, Bioware stated that there will be serious consequences if you cheat on your ME1 LI with an ME2 LI, right? So why would these conesequences even matter if your ME2 LIs don't return for the conflict?

This makes me think that all the LIs from ME2 are returning as squadmates in the default game and if you import a game where they died, you don't get a replacement. This gives you 6 "optional" squadmates and 6 new squadmates. This means that even if you got all the LIs killed, you still get a good sized squad. Sounds do-able to me.

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angj57 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

as I said before bioware needs to dig deep and finally find their quads and say "look...you killed everyone off in ME2? you recruited bare minimum for ME1? good, you will have only Liara + the mandatory 3 new squaddies for ME3. Live with the consequences of your actions as we always advertised for the ME serie"


And the fact is, if someone truly did the absolute bare minimum in both ME1 and ME2, I don't see why he would care to import his character rather than just create a new one in ME3. They could just set most people to have survived if you create a new character. It just doesn't make business sense to anger the large number of dedicated fans who want their squads back for the small fraction of hypothetical semi-casual fans who care about importing a character but managed to get everyone killed. Also, they can bring back Liara, Kaiden/Ashley, and 2 new squadmates and then everyone would have 4 team mates minimum.


yes but Bioware is now wearing a leather studded collar that says "Ea's ****" on it

ME3 needs to be also an "entry point" in order to make the most money possible and as such Bioware needs to bow down to EA's desires and will probably make a whole new squad or allow you to carry over maybe 2 squaddies or the Love Interest.....


I am losing Faith in Bioware sadly when it comes to this particular field

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This is what I've been arguing everytime it's brought up in the gamefaqs forum, but every single time everyones number one defense is "Garrus and Tali are popular!"



But yeah, I agree for the most part TC. I'm actually hoping Liara and Ashley/Kaidan will be members though since they are guaranteed to survive. Also hoping for a Batarian squadmate.

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XxKarivexX wrote...

I just thought, Bioware stated that there will be serious consequences if you cheat on your ME1 LI with an ME2 LI, right? So why would these conesequences even matter if your ME2 LIs don't return for the conflict?


Well, it wouldn't exactly be the first time Bioware overexaggerated how much your actions will have an impact. :whistle:

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PrinceLionheart wrote...

XxKarivexX wrote...

I just thought, Bioware stated that there will be serious consequences if you cheat on your ME1 LI with an ME2 LI, right? So why would these conesequences even matter if your ME2 LIs don't return for the conflict?


Well, it wouldn't exactly be the first time Bioware overexaggerated how much your actions will have an impact. :whistle:


I just wanna be able to tell Liara to **** off

everything else is gravy as long as I have Tali

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crimzontearz wrote...

yes but Bioware is now wearing a leather studded collar that says "Ea's ****" on it

ME3 needs to be also an "entry point" in order to make the most money possible and as such Bioware needs to bow down to EA's desires and will probably make a whole new squad or allow you to carry over maybe 2 squaddies or the Love Interest.....


I still have faith in Bioware, but it will start to waiver if they do as you say. I also maintain that it would be a stupid business decision anyway.

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angj57 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

yes but Bioware is now wearing a leather studded collar that says "Ea's ****" on it

ME3 needs to be also an "entry point" in order to make the most money possible and as such Bioware needs to bow down to EA's desires and will probably make a whole new squad or allow you to carry over maybe 2 squaddies or the Love Interest.....


I still have faith in Bioware, but it will start to waiver if they do as you say. I also maintain that it would be a stupid business decision anyway.


oh I agree with you but EA is not smart is it?

I made a long thread about this once....pretty much everyone agrees Bioware should demonstrate enough testicular fortitude and just tell those who let everyone die or play lazily  "live with the consequences of your actions"

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Jacob's character can go two ways.



They can make him another Garrus and give him some backstory...



...or they could kill him off, which I see as unlikely if he is returning. It would be the same paycheck for 50 lines of dialogue before his death, as it would be for 500 lines of dialogue if he lives.

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pvt_java wrote...

...or they could kill him off, which I see as unlikely if he is returning. It would be the same paycheck for 50 lines of dialogue before his death, as it would be for 500 lines of dialogue if he lives.




ive benn saying that for a while at least someone agrees with me somewhat lol

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What is the point of going through all that squad building in ME2 if you're only going to use them once?



I think some people like Thane and Samara wont be around for ME3, but I'd think the majority would. As long as Legion, Tali, and Garrus (in that order) are still around I'll be happy.

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Inverness Moon wrote...

What is the point of going through all that squad building in ME2 if you're only going to use them once?


The purpose of those characters was to use them on the suicide mission. That's done. You know you could have made the same argument for ME1.

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Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

What is the point of going through all that squad building in ME2 if you're only going to use them once?


The purpose of those characters was to use them on the suicide mission. That's done. You know you could have made the same argument for ME1.

I'd be surprised if BioWare invested so much in the characters and then decided to exclude more than a few from ME3. Besides, it would drive home the consequences of not making good choices on the mission by depriving you of team members in ME3.

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I hope we don't get new people. Since this is the end of Shepard's story, wouldn't it make sense to gather everyone we have as squadmates from ME1 and ME2 together bringing a nice conclusion to the characters' stories and Shepard's?



I think it makes sense.

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pvt_java wrote...

Jacob's character can go two ways.

They can make him another Garrus and give him some backstory...



This is what I'd like to see happen.  Yes, many hate him; I actually found him rather useable and tolerable.   Who I hope they get rid of is Kelly.

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My theory is if they have a reason to come back they will (loose ends) such as miranda's dad and her quiting cerebrus! be lame if we never heard about that again

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I'd be surprised if BioWare invested so much in the characters and then decided to exclude more than a few from ME3. Besides, it would drive home the consequences of not making good choices on the mission by depriving you of team members in ME3.


Yeah I agree but Bioware isn't interested in making an excellent sequel; they want a game they hype up that will sell a lot of copies. Bioware is a for-profit company. Money is all they care about.