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[Jaron Oberyn]

wulf3n wrote...

smudboy wrote...
Unless those two characters are generic placeholders.  Meaning it doesn't matter WHO has survived, you just need 2 bodies.  And the rest become cameos.

I'm leaning towards generic placeholders, for most of the squad members in ME3. Though i don't know what you mean by cameo, i think of Wrex, but that would just be a stupid decision by bioware.

Wrex was not given squad status because he has to unite the clans. He has a reason. I'm pretty sure Bioware isn't going to write 12 unique reasons for why shepards current team would have to leave, meanwhile the deadliest threat to the galaxy is on it's way. People figure that just because Wrex and Liara weren't recruitable, and Ashley/kaidan were given cameos, that Bioware is going to do that to the entire Mass 2 squad just because they died. Well. Here's why thats completely false.

Liara/Wrex have credible reasons for not joining you. Liara/Ash/kaidan were sidelined because they HAVE to be in Mass 3. They didn't want to risk them dying. They didn't want to do another Wrex with those 3 by having it where if they're alive this happens, but if not this other thing happens. No, they are vital to the plot of 3.

The Mass 2 squad could either die or live. I'm pretty sure that the default for Mass 3 would be that everyone lives. You have to put an effort to get your squad killed off. But just because they can die doesn't mean they're not included in the plot. Again, look at Wrex. You get 2 different outcomes based on if he's alive or not. And this was a medium outcome in Mass 2, i'm sure it will be bigger in Mass 3 depending on if the Krogans are united, or not.

With the Mass 2 squad, Bioware will do the same thing. If your squad survives, the entire squad, then it continues seamlessly. You might lose 1 or 2, Zaeed or Kasumi, but the others have no reason to leave. Look at it Like Wrex, you'd get a certain story change if he's alive, only imagine it on a larger scale. Not an NPC, but a squad mate and full dialogue. Now if you don't have someone alive, the story is different, meaning you wouldn't have a certain aspect that you would have had if that person were alive. It's that simple.

-Polite

[smudboy]

PoliteAssasin wrote...
If they're dead, it would mean nothing.

Full stop.  If they're dead, then a writer has to account for "if they're dead."

And they can all be dead.

Thus, I'm sure there'd be some story related to characters that are alive, but I doubt they'd have any major main plot relevance.

If they're alive, they are a part of the game, and therefore influence it. I am going to remember your name for when Mass 3 comes out, and I'm going to love shoving in your face the fact that I was right, just like I did to the people who though there wasn't going to be a Liara DLC. Mark my words. You'll be seeing me in late 2011/early 2012. Your squad will not get cameos. They will not. I don't know why you think they will, but theres no evidence to suggest that they would. There is evidence, however, that suggests that your squad will be with you in Mass 3. I pointed out those evidences in recent posts, so I'm not going to post it again. Obviously you haven't read what I and the other participants in this discussion have said. You stick to your guns, and I'll stick to mine. Come 2012 We'll find out who's right. Maybe even before that. And I'm 100% certain it isn't you.

 -Polite

Whatever gets you off, chief.

I already replied to your larger post a few pages back.  Perhaps you missed it?

If I'm wrong, great.  I'm pointing to what Casey actually told us last month: that we will meet new characters.  There won't be time and resources in development and storytelling for these old characters to have a great impact on the plot (Look at ME2: only Mordin had an impact on the plot.)  And we only got 2/5ths of our squad back from ME1.  That's 4.8 squad members from ME2.

Now if your argument is they're just going to be in ME2 if they're alive, then sure, why not?  I'm saying they won't have any relevance to the main plot, unless they're one of the two generic placeholders.  ME3 will have to be about the main plot, and shouldn't be about collecting squadmates or re-loyalizing others.  So wtf are completely optional characters going to do?

[wulf3n]

smudboy wrote...
(Look at ME2: only Mordin had an impact on the plot.)

That's more of a theme with Mass Effect. Look at ME1 only Tali had an impact on plot, with the exception of Shepard.

[Kaiser Shepard]

wulf3n wrote...

smudboy wrote...
(Look at ME2: only Mordin had an impact on the plot.)

That's more of a theme with Mass Effect. Look at ME1 only Tali had an impact on plot, with the exception of Shepard.

Pushing the story forward is not necessarily synonymous with having an impact on the plot.

[Jaron Oberyn]

smudboy wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
If they're dead, it would mean nothing.

Full stop.  If they're dead, then a writer has to account for "if they're dead."

And they can all be dead.

Thus, I'm sure there'd be some story related to characters that are alive, but I doubt they'd have any major main plot relevance.

If they're alive, they are a part of the game, and therefore influence it. I am going to remember your name for when Mass 3 comes out, and I'm going to love shoving in your face the fact that I was right, just like I did to the people who though there wasn't going to be a Liara DLC. Mark my words. You'll be seeing me in late 2011/early 2012. Your squad will not get cameos. They will not. I don't know why you think they will, but theres no evidence to suggest that they would. There is evidence, however, that suggests that your squad will be with you in Mass 3. I pointed out those evidences in recent posts, so I'm not going to post it again. Obviously you haven't read what I and the other participants in this discussion have said. You stick to your guns, and I'll stick to mine. Come 2012 We'll find out who's right. Maybe even before that. And I'm 100% certain it isn't you.

 -Polite

Whatever gets you off, chief.

I already replied to your larger post a few pages back.  Perhaps you missed it?

If I'm wrong, great.  I'm pointing to what Casey actually told us last month: that we will meet new characters.  There won't be time and resources in development and storytelling for these old characters to have a great impact on the plot (Look at ME2: only Mordin had an impact on the plot.)  And we only got 2/5ths of our squad back from ME1.  That's 4.8 squad members from ME2.

Now if your argument is they're just going to be in ME2 if they're alive, then sure, why not?  I'm saying they won't have any relevance to the main plot, unless they're one of the two generic placeholders.  ME3 will have to be about the main plot, and shouldn't be about collecting squadmates or re-loyalizing others.  So wtf are completely optional characters going to do?

Your only commenting on part of what Hudson said. He said that we will continue with the characters we already got to know in the second game, but that part of the mass effect experience is also meeting new characters. Thus implying that we will have the surviving squad, plus the ability to meet new people and/or new squad mates. My argument isn't that in Mass 3 they're just going to be alive, but that Bioware isn't going to write off your current Mass 2 squad and give you an entirely new squad in Mass 3. That just isn't going to happen. As you said above, Mass 3 isn't going to be about collecting a new team and doing loyalty missions. You already have the galaxies most talented and dangerous individuals on your team. They took down the collectors with you. Who is better than those guys to take on the reapers? I can see Ashley/Kaidan probably joining, with possibly another squad member or two, again depending on how many people you lost, or if a certain person dies. I never said that the Mass 2 squad is going to have a great impact  on the game, I simply said that they aren't going to be given cameos. Specifically Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Tali, and Garrus.

-Polite

[wulf3n]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

smudboy wrote...
(Look at ME2: only Mordin had an impact on the plot.)

That's more of a theme with Mass Effect. Look at ME1 only Tali had an impact on plot, with the exception of Shepard.

Pushing the story forward is not necessarily synonymous with having an impact on the plot.

I guess that depends on what you mean by "having an impact on the plot". I would need an example to understand your point better.

Modifié par wulf3n, 02 août 2010 - 12:48 .

[smudboy]

wulf3n wrote...

smudboy wrote...
(Look at ME2: only Mordin had an impact on the plot.)

That's more of a theme with Mass Effect. Look at ME1 only Tali had an impact on plot, with the exception of Shepard.

Shepard, Tali and Liara were plot integral.

[Soverign 666]

smudboy wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

smudboy wrote...
(Look at ME2: only Mordin had an impact on the plot.)

That's more of a theme with Mass Effect. Look at ME1 only Tali had an impact on plot, with the exception of Shepard.

Shepard, Tali and Liara were plot integral.

Garrus/Wrex (but not both) were also plot integral to help you get to tali.

[Lilicat]

I agree with Polite.

but I think the VS will not be a squad.

For example Kaidan is now a comander like u, so he will help u with his own crew.

[smudboy]

PoliteAssasin wrote...
Your only commenting on part of what Hudson said. He said that we will continue with the characters we already got to know in the second game, but that part of the mass effect experience is also meeting new characters.

"I think the development of some of the existing characters people continued to enjoy, like the stuff with Garrus and Tali."

He's referring to ME1's "existing" characters.  Not ME2.

Thus implying that we will have the surviving squad, plus the ability to meet new people and/or new squad mates. My argument isn't that in Mass 3 they're just going to be alive, but that Bioware isn't going to write off your current Mass 2 squad and give you an entirely new squad in Mass 3. That just isn't going to happen.

I don't see why they can't if they wanted.  Considering they all have the opportunity of dying/not even being recruited/not even having a save file.

What we can guarantee is they will have new squadmates.

"...part of what made the previous game great is the process of meeting those characters for the first time. That has to be part of the experience too, how you meet new characters."

As you said above, Mass 3 isn't going to be about collecting a new team and doing loyalty missions. You already have the galaxies most talented and dangerous individuals on your team. They took down the collectors with you. Who is better than those guys to take on the reapers? I can see Ashley/Kaidan probably joining, with possibly another squad member or two, again depending on how many people you lost, or if a certain person dies. I never said that the Mass 2 squad is going to have a great impact  on the game, I simply said that they aren't going to be given cameos. Specifically Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Tali, and Garrus.

-Polite

I don't see why they won't be given cameos, considering we're definitely going to get new squadmates, and all the ME2 characters, save two, can be dead.  It's how ME2 was built.  Thus, at most, implying generic placeholders for those two.

ME3's plot can go any direction.  It doesn't matter how likable or popular such characters are, or how many you saved.  It's the fact they are all completely variable (to not exist) that rules them out.

If the squadmates don't matter to the plot, then it's irrelevant to bring them back at all.  And ME3 has to be completely about the plot.

[Soverign 666]

WHy couldn't they simply have a system that if someone died on the sucide mission they get replaced by a new character who is a similar class and can do whatever the dead character does plot wise?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Soverign 666 wrote...

WHy couldn't they simply have a system that if someone died on the sucide mission they get replaced by a new character who is a similar class and can do whatever the dead character does plot wise?

Because that way they would need to implement 2 x 12 +1 = 25 characters.

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Both rumors give me the impression that Legion got royally shafted, which is what I feel considering Legion has hidden dialogue for several missions that must be completed before the reaper IFF mission.

Yes but none of that has anything to do with ME3. Most of the ME2 team has no reason to stay with Shepard or they've been given good cause to leave.

The only ones with no place to go really are Legion and Garrus. I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them return to your squad a bonus if you import and didn't get them killed. Everyone else though I suspect will have other things to do.

No reason to stay? Have other things to do?

The reapers are still a massive threat to all life in the galaxy. Those that went with Shepard on that mission got a taste of that and they should know what is coming for them. There is really nothing any of them could do that is more important than helping Shepard in some way. Meaning, if they're not on Shepard's team they should be doing something to gather allies for the fight against the reapers.

[PrinceLionheart]

Soverign 666 wrote...

smudboy wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

smudboy wrote...
(Look at ME2: only Mordin had an impact on the plot.)

That's more of a theme with Mass Effect. Look at ME1 only Tali had an impact on plot, with the exception of Shepard.

Shepard, Tali and Liara were plot integral.

Garrus/Wrex (but not both) were also plot integral to help you get to tali.

Really the Squadmates who played the more important roles were Liara and Ashley/Kaidan. Tali and Garrus' relevance really ended the moment you left the Citadel for the first time. Outside of their initial actions, they were really just tagging along for the ride. Wrex is slightly more important due to the confrontation on Virmire. 

As for the ME2 squad, characters like Jack and Samara make it clear that they only plan to stick around until the mission is over. Honestly all the characters (with the possible exceptions of Garrus, Tali, Miranda, and Jacob) could easily be written out since they joined Shepard specifically to fight in the suicide mission.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 02 août 2010 - 01:53 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

smudboy wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
Your only commenting on part of what Hudson said. He said that we will continue with the characters we already got to know in the second game, but that part of the mass effect experience is also meeting new characters.

"I think the development of some of the existing characters people continued to enjoy, like the stuff with Garrus and Tali."

He's referring to ME1's "existing" characters.  Not ME2.

Thus implying that we will have the surviving squad, plus the ability to meet new people and/or new squad mates. My argument isn't that in Mass 3 they're just going to be alive, but that Bioware isn't going to write off your current Mass 2 squad and give you an entirely new squad in Mass 3. That just isn't going to happen.

I don't see why they can't if they wanted.  Considering they all have the opportunity of dying/not even being recruited/not even having a save file.

What we can guarantee is they will have new squadmates.

"...part of what made the previous game great is the process of meeting those characters for the first time. That has to be part of the experience too, how you meet new characters."

As you said above, Mass 3 isn't going to be about collecting a new team and doing loyalty missions. You already have the galaxies most talented and dangerous individuals on your team. They took down the collectors with you. Who is better than those guys to take on the reapers? I can see Ashley/Kaidan probably joining, with possibly another squad member or two, again depending on how many people you lost, or if a certain person dies. I never said that the Mass 2 squad is going to have a great impact  on the game, I simply said that they aren't going to be given cameos. Specifically Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Tali, and Garrus.

-Polite

I don't see why they won't be given cameos, considering we're definitely going to get new squadmates, and all the ME2 characters, save two, can be dead.  It's how ME2 was built.  Thus, at most, implying generic placeholders for those two.

ME3's plot can go any direction.  It doesn't matter how likable or popular such characters are, or how many you saved.  It's the fact they are all completely variable (to not exist) that rules them out.

If the squadmates don't matter to the plot, then it's irrelevant to bring them back at all.  And ME3 has to be completely about the plot.

1. No, he said like Garrus and Tali, not just those two.
2. We don't know for sure if we'll get new squad mates. At this point its pure speculation. Meeting new people doesn't translate into meeting new squad mates.
3. You act as if you know what your talkig about. What makes you think that just because they can die, that they're "ruled out". Do you even read half of the stuff your posting? It's absurd to say in the least. The squadmates are relevant to Mass 2's plot, because without getting to know them and getting their loyalty, you wouldn't make it to Mass 3 because your shepard would die. "ME3 has to be completely about the plot" - Does it? What makes you think so? And if it is about the plot, how would a whole new squad tie into that? Again, do you read your comments before posting?

 -Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Both rumors give me the impression that Legion got royally shafted, which is what I feel considering Legion has hidden dialogue for several missions that must be completed before the reaper IFF mission.

Yes but none of that has anything to do with ME3. Most of the ME2 team has no reason to stay with Shepard or they've been given good cause to leave.

The only ones with no place to go really are Legion and Garrus. I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them return to your squad a bonus if you import and didn't get them killed. Everyone else though I suspect will have other things to do.

No reason to stay? Have other things to do?

The reapers are still a massive threat to all life in the galaxy. Those that went with Shepard on that mission got a taste of that and they should know what is coming for them. There is really nothing any of them could do that is more important than helping Shepard in some way. Meaning, if they're not on Shepard's team they should be doing something to gather allies for the fight against the reapers.

Exactly. Some people can't wrap their mind around this simple concept.

-Polite

[Inverness Moon]

Crespire wrote...

At the end of the day, the only valuable knowledge that would contribute more to what we already know is how to build a human-reaper (if that, as you have cleverly put it). A human reaper under Cerberus' wing is the only certainty, and it's one I can not live with because it will strain intergalatic relations.

Sorry, a human reaper under Cerberus's wing is certainly not a certainty, as such a thing would be far too impractical to create.

You're also making massive assumptions about what we already know and what could be found in the base. You don't know what's in the base; you find out by not destroying it.

Legion puts it best, I think. He says that the collector base is data, destroying it will not bring back those that were killed, but saving it may save others.

You're willing to destroy the base based on your assumptions about what it might or might not contain. I don't think you understand the full context of what is going on. The reapers have perpetuated a cycle of extinction for tens of millions of years with hundreds of trillions in casualties at the very least. And now you're going to throw away something that could give you a chance of putting a stop to that based on your illogical assumptions. It's quite sad.

[Wraith_of_Dawn]

 I don't care how many times it's been said, it obviously needs to be said again.
There is nothing more important then helping Shepard defeat the Reapers. I don't care if you want to blow a base up Jack, there are giant all-powerful Machines about to attack so wait and see if we survive that before you complain.

Just because they can die doesn't mean they will decide to not bother working on said character. Chances are Bioware won't decide "Oh well, this too much work, we give up. Instead, lets work on 10/12 reasons for every single team member to leave you team, then come up with another god 6 or so new squaddies"


What about Wrex, or Rana, or Kaidan/Ash, or Shiala?They can all die, so they should just ignore those characters completely.And that's barely scratching the surface of the possible deaths (and kills).

How about no?<_<

Modifié par Wraith_of_Dawn, 02 août 2010 - 02:35 .

[We Tigers]

Just went through the thread, and really, this has been debated since the game's release. In fact, this entire conversation has basically happened 40 times between ME and ME2, even, with all the same points being made on both sides. Also, piles of outrage on the part of the community upon learning that most of the ME1 team wouldn't be available, which later smoothed over into contented acceptance.



I will be stunned if any of the team from ME2 is playable. I'd love it, but I don't think they have the bandwidth to figure it out. It's not Bioware's MO to spend significant amounts of dev time on major items that might be missing from the games of numerous players. Any character who survives will have a brief NPC appearance, and any character who doesn't will be referenced in a line of dialogue at some point.

[Wraith_of_Dawn]

We Tigers wrote...

Just went through the thread, and really, this has been debated since the game's release. In fact, this entire conversation has basically happened 40 times between ME and ME2, even, with all the same points being made on both sides. Also, piles of outrage on the part of the community upon learning that most of the ME1 team wouldn't be available, which later smoothed over into contented acceptance.

I will be stunned if any of the team from ME2 is playable. I'd love it, but I don't think they have the bandwidth to figure it out. It's not Bioware's MO to spend significant amounts of dev time on major items that might be missing from the games of numerous players. Any character who survives will have a brief NPC appearance, and any character who doesn't will be referenced in a line of dialogue at some point.

I hate when people try to justify a whole new ME3 squad with the ME1 squad being almost entirely unavailable. Nit because Bioware decided to move on, because they needed to be alive in ME3. Wrex was busy helping unify the Krogan for ME3, but he doesn't have as major a role as VS & Liara. There isn't a ME4 for the ME2 squad to need to be around for. 

[Throw_this_away]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

smudboy wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...
Your only commenting on part of what Hudson said. He said that we will continue with the characters we already got to know in the second game, but that part of the mass effect experience is also meeting new characters.

"I think the development of some of the existing characters people continued to enjoy, like the stuff with Garrus and Tali."

He's referring to ME1's "existing" characters.  Not ME2.

Thus implying that we will have the surviving squad, plus the ability to meet new people and/or new squad mates. My argument isn't that in Mass 3 they're just going to be alive, but that Bioware isn't going to write off your current Mass 2 squad and give you an entirely new squad in Mass 3. That just isn't going to happen.

I don't see why they can't if they wanted.  Considering they all have the opportunity of dying/not even being recruited/not even having a save file.

What we can guarantee is they will have new squadmates.

"...part of what made the previous game great is the process of meeting those characters for the first time. That has to be part of the experience too, how you meet new characters."

As you said above, Mass 3 isn't going to be about collecting a new team and doing loyalty missions. You already have the galaxies most talented and dangerous individuals on your team. They took down the collectors with you. Who is better than those guys to take on the reapers? I can see Ashley/Kaidan probably joining, with possibly another squad member or two, again depending on how many people you lost, or if a certain person dies. I never said that the Mass 2 squad is going to have a great impact  on the game, I simply said that they aren't going to be given cameos. Specifically Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Tali, and Garrus.

-Polite

I don't see why they won't be given cameos, considering we're definitely going to get new squadmates, and all the ME2 characters, save two, can be dead.  It's how ME2 was built.  Thus, at most, implying generic placeholders for those two.

ME3's plot can go any direction.  It doesn't matter how likable or popular such characters are, or how many you saved.  It's the fact they are all completely variable (to not exist) that rules them out.

If the squadmates don't matter to the plot, then it's irrelevant to bring them back at all.  And ME3 has to be completely about the plot.

1. No, he said like Garrus and Tali, not just those two.
2. We don't know for sure if we'll get new squad mates. At this point its pure speculation. Meeting new people doesn't translate into meeting new squad mates.
3. You act as if you know what your talkig about. What makes you think that just because they can die, that they're "ruled out". Do you even read half of the stuff your posting? It's absurd to say in the least. The squadmates are relevant to Mass 2's plot, because without getting to know them and getting their loyalty, you wouldn't make it to Mass 3 because your shepard would die. "ME3 has to be completely about the plot" - Does it? What makes you think so? And if it is about the plot, how would a whole new squad tie into that? Again, do you read your comments before posting?

 -Polite

What Spudboy is saying is that he really enjoyed the plot of ME2, with it's focus on characters.   Thus he hopes ME3 will again be character focused so that he will have plot holes to complain about.  

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 02 août 2010 - 02:42 .

[We Tigers]

Wraith_of_Dawn wrote...
I hate when people try to justify a whole new ME3 squad with the ME1 squad being almost entirely unavailable. Nit because Bioware decided to move on, because they needed to be alive in ME3. Wrex was busy helping unify the Krogan for ME3, but he doesn't have as major a role as VS & Liara. There isn't a ME4 for the ME2 squad to need to be around for. 

That wasn't really my rationale, but I'll bite.  I can buy this line of thought for Liara and Ash/Kaidan, but not for Wrex.  Do you believe Wrex will be a squad member in ME3, or am I misreading your optimism here?

[Wraith_of_Dawn]

What I am saying is Wrex is the only expendable Mass Effect one character to have a reason to not join you. He is doing the things Wreav won't, like unify the Krogan under a single banner to fortify their resistance against the Reapers.



Liara and the VS need to be there for Mass Effect 3.Wrex doesn't have to be, but if he survives Virmire, he will help through the Krogan Horde, not himself.



That is what I was saying. Also note that I don't mean to instigate, it is just getting annoying hearing ME2 SM won't be here because most of Mass Effects SM weren't. We have two games, that isn't enough to try and guess a pattern.

[smudboy]

PoliteAssasin wrote...
1. No, he said like Garrus and Tali, not just those two.

Hey why not.  Let's try this again:
"I think the development of some of the existing characters people continued to enjoy, like the stuff with Garrus and Tali."

Continued, as in continued from ME1.

He is referring to the existing characters from ME1 that were continued in ME2.  Tali, Garrus, Liara, Wrex, etc.

2. We don't know for sure if we'll get new squad mates. At this point its pure speculation. Meeting new people doesn't translate into meeting new squad mates.

And we're two for two.

"We always try to balance the fact that, people will say "I want all my characters back from the previous game because that's what made the first game great." But when you think about it, part of what made the previous game great is the process of meeting those characters for the first time. That has to be part of the experience too, how you meet new characters."

He's saying: 1) we'll be meeting some new characters for the first time (within the context of squadmates), and that 2) how you meet new characters has to be part of the experience.

The "too" refers to meeting new characters, and meeting old characters.

3. You act as if you know what your talkig about. What makes you think that just because they can die, that they're "ruled out". Do you even read half of the stuff your posting? It's absurd to say in the least. The squadmates are relevant to Mass 2's plot, because without getting to know them and getting their loyalty, you wouldn't make it to Mass 3 because your shepard would die. "ME3 has to be completely about the plot" - Does it? What makes you think so? And if it is about the plot, how would a whole new squad tie into that? Again, do you read your comments before posting?

 -Polite

1) If someone can die, you can't write a story about them.
2) Everyone can die except 2 random people.
Therefore, no one is plot relevant.

ME3 has to be compeltely about the plot, because ME2 did dick all to the Reaper plot.  There's barely any time to wrap things up in any kind of believable manner unless you're killing like 12 Reapers every hour or something.  Or something contrived, like a virus that kills them all.

Now I'm sure they'd have some exposition on some characters, like Tali and Garrus, but nothing plot relevant.  It'll just be a side story: which is exactly what the character stories in ME2 were.

And what you said about "getting to know" them in ME2?  Nonsense.  Getting their loyalty just makes the Suicide Mission easier.  As we already know, we only need two survivors to pass the game alive.  That doesn't make any specific character plot relelvant; that makes any 2 random characters important to keeping Shepard alive.  ME2's plot can go on just fine with everyone dying.

As for a whole new squad tying into the plot of ME3: whatever BioWare wants them to do.

[We Tigers]

Wraith_of_Dawn wrote...
That is what I was saying. Also note that I don't mean to instigate, it is just getting annoying hearing ME2 SM won't be here because most of Mass Effects SM weren't. We have two games, that isn't enough to try and guess a pattern.

I would think the Dragon Age expansion and the plans for DA2 would be sufficient enough to illustrate a pattern as well.  Bioware appears to be more interested in the inclusion of new characters for all audiences rather than the use of those resources on old characters for some audiences, particularly when some of those old characters may not even be available for players in that "some audiences" subset.