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[Breakdown Boy]

Bioware will have to think outside the box here. Can't just scratch everybody because that would make the suicide mission a big joke because why would I want get everyone back home when all I get for my trouble is a few scenes with them or for them to get killed in the opening sequence!



Dammit all I'm asking is for Miranda, Tali and Garrus to make it through! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CroGamer002]

Characters that will leave from ME2 if didn't die.
Zaeed - he done his job that he got paid to do it and to get Vido if you saved workers
Kasumi - went in hiding if has greybox, otherwise went to steal more sh*t
Thane - he's dead no mater what
Samara - went so seek injustice and try to find Morinth if you fail her loyalty
Morinth - she went to kill more people with sex

Characters that may leave you if they didn't die:
Tali - become admiral
Grunt - help Krogans on Tuchanka

Character that wouldn't make sense to leave if didn't die:
Garrus( infiltrator)
Legion( engineer)
Jacob( vanguard)
Miranda( sentinel)
Jack( adept)
Mordin( engineer and scientist)

Those are 6( 8) characters that are kept plus 6 new one.

Modifié par Mesina2, 07 juillet 2010 - 10:59 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Bioware will have to think outside the box here. Can't just scratch everybody because that would make the suicide mission a big joke because why would I want get everyone back home when all I get for my trouble is a few scenes with them or for them to get killed in the opening sequence!

Dammit all I'm asking is for Miranda, Thane, Ashley, Wrex, Tali and Garrus to make it through! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixt.

[Nightwriter]

Why make all new squadmates for the conclusion of the trilogy?

BioWare has said many times that in game 3 they can really let all the pieces fall where they may and just go crazy with these outcomes.

I think people make the mistake of thinking that just because continuity was an issue in ME2, which was the middle of the trilogy and had to hold it all in, that it will also be an issue in ME3, which is the end of the series and can let it all hang out.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Nightwriter wrote...

Why make all new squadmates for the conclusion of the trilogy?

BioWare has said many times that in game 3 they can really let all the pieces fall where they may and just go crazy with these outcomes.

I think people make the mistake of thinking that just because continuity was an issue in ME2, which was the middle of the trilogy and had to hold it all in, that it will also be an issue in ME3, which is the end of the series and can let it all hang out.

I agree with this.

[Cancermeat]

It depends on how you played the game, yes? There could be a lot of vacancies, yes? I wouldnt mind if they killed people off anyway no matter how you played the game, I'm sure some people would seriously cry if that happened so that is probably unlikely.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Cancermeat's comment actually reminds me: I wonder what the default (non-import) Shepard will be like in ME3. When we talk about squadmates returning in future ME's, we tend to think of OUR Shepards, the importable ones. But what if someone starts a new game from scratch in ME3? We know the default ME2 story sucked so much a*s. Wrex dead, Garrus never recruited, no romance... what else am I forgetting?

Bottom line: This could mean something for ME3, when it comes to squadmates.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 07 juillet 2010 - 11:17 .

[Ieldra]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Why make all new squadmates for the conclusion of the trilogy?

BioWare has said many times that in game 3 they can really let all the pieces fall where they may and just go crazy with these outcomes.

I think people make the mistake of thinking that just because continuity was an issue in ME2, which was the middle of the trilogy and had to hold it all in, that it will also be an issue in ME3, which is the end of the series and can let it all hang out.

I agree with this.

Me, too.

But that doesn't change the fact that all the possible life/death combinations combined with possible roles for some squadmates in the plot make things extremely difficult for the developers. Then there's the intent to make a game that can also be played as a standalone game (which makes no sense, but here you go). 

All in all, I think how they deal with character continuity can make or break the storytelling in ME3. It's possible to do it well, and if it's done well, ME3 could be a game that breaks new ground in game-based storytelling, but if it's done badly (i.e. only new squadmates with little cameos for the old ones), it will be nothing more but yet another Bioware game. Good maybe, but nothing special. 

[smudboy]

Nightwriter wrote...

Why make all new squadmates for the conclusion of the trilogy?

BioWare has said many times that in game 3 they can really let all the pieces fall where they may and just go crazy with these outcomes.

I think people make the mistake of thinking that just because continuity was an issue in ME2, which was the middle of the trilogy and had to hold it all in, that it will also be an issue in ME3, which is the end of the series and can let it all hang out.

If we're going from A->B->C, and B ends up being X, then how the hell are you going to get to C now?  ME3 can be wtf BioWare wants it to be, just like ME2, continuity be damned.  It could very well go to C, but there's little to no indication that it will.  Give em some cameos, emails and retcons if the square peg doesn't fit: seemed to work just fine in ME2.

[smudboy]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yes.

I like how people are suddenly thinking like Zulu these days.

"Wait a second.  If they did this in ME2...then that means...!"

[Ecael]

The fact of the matter is every squadmate from ME1 and ME2 can potentially be dead except for Liara. Do you really think Bioware is going to make a game with 16+ characters or something? I don't think so. ME2 was almost exclusively about characters and they were only able to finish 10 of the 12 before they released the game. Trying to add all the old characters or even some of them as squadmates would just be a variable nightmare. There is no way Bioware could make a balanced game around mostly squadmates who may or may not be dead for your Shepard in ME3.

Since BioWare will probably stick to Unreal Engine 3.5 to make Mass Effect 3 (the same engine used in Mass Effect 2), it is possible that the retexturing and remodeling of all 17 possible squadmates are finished already.

That leaves the option open of having anywhere from 0 to 17 returning squadmates. So right now, we still have no idea who is going to return.

I don't really care either way, as BioWare is one of the best at video game character development - 10+ new characters is doable, although voicing all 10 on top of the 17 cameos may cause a problem.

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Bluko wrote...

Remember each Mass Effect game is meant to be a stand-alone game.

A.K.A. even if you haven't played ME1 or ME2 yet you can jump in and still be able to play/make sense of the game. This is another reason why it makes sense that all the squadmates would be new. That way new players won't be as overwhelmed if they decide to play Mass Effect 3.

A number of folks played ME2 before they played ME1, and if ME3 truly perfects the formula in terms of RPG/Shooter I'm sure many more will do the same. Now that I think about it the Mass Effect series is marketing genius since anyone who picks up the sequels will most likely feel compelled to pick up the prequels at some point.

This is unfortunately true. BioWare's favorite formula seems to be: potential customers > current customers 

Correction - BioWare's favorite formula is:

New characters > Current characters

Sorry Fiery, but BioWare has been doing this since Baldur's Gate. Instead of continuing with Baldur's Gate 3 by taking back that license from Atari, they developed a brand new IP with brand new characters instead (Dragon Age).

BioWare's writers are more likely to be salaried writers and not contractual (and EA gives its employees very restricted stock options), so they don't stand to benefit from larger sales numbers. So if there's anything to blame, its their creativity - the same creativity that produced epic BioWare stories in the first place.

Modifié par Ecael, 07 juillet 2010 - 11:51 .

[Cancermeat]

I think that ME3 is the only game that I hope there's no dlc for. I just want the ending to be it.

[CroGamer002]

Cancermeat wrote...

I think that ME3 is the only game that I hope there's no dlc for. I just want the ending to be it.

Why don't you like DLC's?

[Mister Mida]

51ha wrote...

It is the last part of the trilogy. They can't make mistakes anymore. That is why they will probably introduce no more than two new squadmates and others will be back. And I think that they won’t lower the number of squadmates. There are twelve squadmates now. They went from 6 to 12. So from your perspective that would mean (what they did from me1 to me2) in me3 there should be at least 18 squadmates or even 24!
But I think 15 is a good number. And making cameos is also a lot of work and also needs a voice over.

More squadmates? No, thank you. No more than ten is the way I prefer it, DLC characters included.

[Nightwriter]

smudboy wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Why make all new squadmates for the conclusion of the trilogy?

BioWare has said many times that in game 3 they can really let all the pieces fall where they may and just go crazy with these outcomes.

I think people make the mistake of thinking that just because continuity was an issue in ME2, which was the middle of the trilogy and had to hold it all in, that it will also be an issue in ME3, which is the end of the series and can let it all hang out.

If we're going from A->B->C, and B ends up being X, then how the hell are you going to get to C now?  ME3 can be wtf BioWare wants it to be, just like ME2, continuity be damned.  It could very well go to C, but there's little to no indication that it will.  Give em some cameos, emails and retcons if the square peg doesn't fit: seemed to work just fine in ME2.

You're just trying to say that BioWare could just go f*ck it, this is too hard, we'll have puppets do this part and crazy glue this piece on?

Lol, they could do that at any time, in any game. It's always a risk.

This is the last game. This is it. They've got no more obligations, they don't have to hold anything in. They can just let everything go SPLAT.

Hurray for SPLAT.

[Cancermeat]

I just want ME3 to tie in all the loose ends and not have to rely on dlc but you know its gonna happen, yes?

[lovgreno]

With a bit of creative writing some deaths could be retconned. How about a DLC, comic or book about a third player like the STG shadowing the Normandy and entering the base to get information. In the process they also save fan favourites like Garrus and Tali.

Yes retcons can often be extremely cheesy but if it would make it easier to make a game many will apreciate I will allow it.

[Cancermeat]

i dont think the best ending will be the one where nobody dies, whats the point of a journey without loss?

[LorDC]

I don't see "OMG all this life/death combinations are too complicated to put them into ME 3" argument as valid. If your squadmates would have been returning as NPC that could be a problem. But just look at both ME 1 and ME 2. The only squadmate who plays serious role in main plotline is Liara.

[Torhagen]

Bluko wrote...

I think we all kind of know how Mass Effect 3 is going to handle squadmates, but most of us don't want to believe it because we've each grown so fond of certain characters from ME1 and ME2. (Heck even I don't really want to...)

That is: none of them will return as Squadmates in ME3.

Yep. And I know what you're saying: "This is blasphemy! This is madness!" but before you kick me into the pit of doom hear me out and accept the likely reality of what is to come.

The fact of the matter is every squadmate from ME1 and ME2 can potentially be dead except for Liara. Do you really think Bioware is going to make a game with 16+ characters or something? I don't think so. ME2 was almost exclusively about characters and they were only able to finish 10 of the 12 before they released the game. Trying to add all the old characters or even some of them as squadmates would just be a variable nightmare. There is no way Bioware could make a balanced game around mostly squadmates who may or may not be dead for your Shepard in ME3.

It's for this reason I believe every squadmate you have in ME3 will likely be a new character. And this is just a guess, but maybe there will be 6-8 of them, that way you have fairly well balaced and unique team. Why do I think this? Because Casey Hudson himself even elluded in an interview awhile back how it's fun/interesting to meet new characters. I think this basically makes it clear almost all the squadmates in ME3 will be new. Which isn't all that bad really, as it's chance to meet some new faces and learn things we yet are still clueless about in the Mass Effect Universe. However on these new squadmates I can speculate no further.


Now to answer some of the questions that will surely arise:

"I saved everyone I could in ME1 and ME2! You can't honestly tell me they won't come back! What would be the point of all them then?!"

Your old squadmates will return and likely play large roles in ME3. However they just  will not be in your squad. Instead they will likely be important NPCs for certain Missions and whether you kept them alive or not, helped them or not, may ultimately effect that mission(s). Simply put they will make cameo appearences, but probably nothing much more.

"What about my romances? If they don't rejoin Shepard in ME3 how could they continue?"

Just because a character isn't a squadmate doesn't mean you couldn't romance them anymore. Who knows how Bioware will handle this? Maybe you can woo your old romance interest again by buying them flowers or something like that while you are away. In fact this could ultimately lead to some pretty interesting new game mechanics/scenarios when you think about it.

Also remember that Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara were romance options in ME1. Yet in ME2 they were more or less put on hold. So it really would not be surprising if Bioware did the same again. Although hopefully you will actually be able to continue romances this time.

"What about Liara? Why wouldn't she be a squadmate in ME3 seeing as she has to live in every game?"

I'll concede here that if there is any character that rejoins your team in ME2 it's going to be Liara. However it's strongly alluded to that she's going to be the next Shadow Broker which likely means she'll be too busy to rejoin you. Also being the Shadow Broker is likely to entail something important in ME3 which is another reason why she'll have to remain behind again.

"What about Ashley/Kaidan? One of them has to still be alive?"

True, but that's also the problem. Either one one of them can be alive. That said it may not be entirely unreasonable for Ashley/Kaidan to rejoin you. The only problem is gameplay wise one is a Soldier the other is Sentinel. That kind of scews your team balance, but who knows they could return along with some other Alliance character to make up for that. However this is probably more work then Bioware wants to put in for squadmates so don't count on it.

"But everybody loves Garrus and Tali, how could they do this us?!"

Trust me I do to. But hey everybody loved Wrex didn't they? Assuming you kept him alive he had a fairly decent role to play in ME2. I expect Garrus and Tali will have similar roles depending on whether you kept them alive or not, and how you handled their personal conflicts. In fact Tali and Garrus may play very large roles in dealing with the Quarians/Turians in ME3. They may even rejoin you in a mission of some sort, but I don't expect them to be actual squadmates again. It was already lucky that they came back in ME2 as squadmates, I don't expect them to be in all 3 games. Garrus and Tali have personally helped Shepard enough if you ask me.

"What about Legion and the Geth?"

As interesting as Legion is, there was also an option to sell it. Again I can't say for certain how Bioware will handle the Geth in ME3 but I'm sure Legion will play a very important role assuming it is still fuctioning. Also Grunt may share a similar role with the Krogan seeing as you didn't have to free him. But since they can both die I doubt they will be squadmates again.


Well I think those are most of the objections people will have to my insidious claim. Granted I can't prove that I anymore right since I am somewhat speculating again, but I got a hunch that this is how things are going to turn out like it or not. It would be nice if someone from Bioware would actually comment on this, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon. So until then no one can truly be sure of what is to come.


*Erects a Barrier*

I think this could very much be the possible way if you dont have any savegames to import

[KOKitten]

lovgreno wrote...

With a bit of creative writing some deaths could be retconned. How about a DLC, comic or book about a third player like the STG shadowing the Normandy and entering the base to get information. In the process they also save fan favourites like Garrus and Tali.
Yes retcons can often be extremely cheesy but if it would make it easier to make a game many will apreciate I will allow it.

If a squadmate in one of my game saves is dead it's because I had him/her killed off so that A) I have the possibility of experiencing a slightly different story in ME3 from my "Everyone Survives" saves; and/or  certain squadmates will not be present for ME3. 

I don't want their deaths retconned.  I doubt I'm the only one who engaged in some squadmate "housecleaning" or wanted to see slightly different endings of ME2 and possibly different repercussions in ME3. 

It's really not difficult to save all squadmates in the suicide mission.  If someone is dead, he/she should remain dead.  If a favorite squadmate dies in the suicide mission and a person is all broken up over it, it's really simple to reload and replay for a different outcome.

I'd much rather have new squadmates than retconned deaths or a miraculous return of the person left on Virmire.