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[smudboy]

We Tigers wrote...

Wait a second. The source for all this speculation is 4chan? You have got to be kidding me. You coming up with these ideas on your own would be vastly more credible than anything from 4chan. It's the made-up-for-no-reason capital of the internet.

(Shh!  Polite's going to laugh at you or remind you that you're ignorant, stupid, or just to go read it, or something...)

[Fiery Phoenix]

We Tigers wrote...

Wait a second. The source for all this speculation is 4chan? You have got to be kidding me. You coming up with these ideas on your own would be vastly more credible than anything from 4chan. It's the made-up-for-no-reason capital of the internet.

I just got done reading that whole 4chan thread and, as much as I feel stupid for saying it, it sounded to me as if he was indeed telling the truth (i.e. he was actually what he calimed to be, a BioWare writer). But then again, it's just as possible that he isn't.

Take the time and go through it all here. I really don't know what I think about it.

[pvt_java]

Very obviously a troll - but a good troll. I only detected a few grammatical errors.

[Giggles_Manically]

I ever there was a piece of Pantha Poodo on the old interwebs that be it.



If a writer did that and blew secrets like that before such a major game came out, EA would be leaving their corpse in a river somewhere.



So SPOILERS:

No returning squaddies

Liara cant die in the DLC

Thane will die, or have a very sad ending

We get to see Tali's face

The writing team has no frakking clue about the reapers and how to end it.



Obvious troll is obvious.

[smudboy]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

Wait a second. The source for all this speculation is 4chan? You have got to be kidding me. You coming up with these ideas on your own would be vastly more credible than anything from 4chan. It's the made-up-for-no-reason capital of the internet.

I just got done reading that whole 4chan thread and, as much as I feel stupid for saying it, it sounded to me as if he was indeed telling the truth (i.e. he was actually what he calimed to be, a BioWare writer). But then again, it's just as possible that he isn't.

Take the time and go through it all here. I really don't know what I think about it.

It was going fine, till:

"The fact that I'm here speaks volumes for the influence gaming communities like this have on our games. We don't just read the bioware social forums, we read gamefaqs, /v/, etc as well for feedback.
But it's kind of a chicken or egg issue, /v/ is surprisingly accurate in their assessment of plots sometimes, I am pretty sure people on /v/ called major plot points before ME2 was released."

If /v/ is ever an influence on BioWare's gaming development...
And if ANYONE on /v/ called major plot points before ME2 was released...

BioWare has some very, very serious issues.

[KingDan97]

theelementslayer wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

Wait a second. The source for all this speculation is 4chan? You have got to be kidding me. You coming up with these ideas on your own would be vastly more credible than anything from 4chan. It's the made-up-for-no-reason capital of the internet.

Nah Im just speculating, I havent looked at the 4chan thing. But I cant see why they would put a whole game towards a squad and then pull it away. Plus the 4chan thing popped up like 2 days ago this arguments been going on for longer then that

The 4Chan thing was posted in March, leaving him with plenty of time before ME3 or the Liara DLC. It's popping back up now and people are saying it's real because the DLC was announced...

[KingDan97]

smudboy wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

Wait a second. The source for all this speculation is 4chan? You have got to be kidding me. You coming up with these ideas on your own would be vastly more credible than anything from 4chan. It's the made-up-for-no-reason capital of the internet.

I just got done reading that whole 4chan thread and, as much as I feel stupid for saying it, it sounded to me as if he was indeed telling the truth (i.e. he was actually what he calimed to be, a BioWare writer). But then again, it's just as possible that he isn't.

Take the time and go through it all here. I really don't know what I think about it.

It was going fine, till:

"The fact that I'm here speaks volumes for the influence gaming communities like this have on our games. We don't just read the bioware social forums, we read gamefaqs, /v/, etc as well for feedback.
But it's kind of a chicken or egg issue, /v/ is surprisingly accurate in their assessment of plots sometimes, I am pretty sure people on /v/ called major plot points before ME2 was released."

If /v/ is ever an influence on BioWare's gaming development...
And if ANYONE on /v/ called major plot points before ME2 was released...

BioWare has some very, very serious issues.

I called foul right around "Bioware writer here." I read the whole thing but I didn't see anything that back in March wasn't known or assumed to be coming down the pipeline. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think Java is right, because that's what I keep telling myself -- that he is merely a good troll.

[smudboy]

KingDan97 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

Wait a second. The source for all this speculation is 4chan? You have got to be kidding me. You coming up with these ideas on your own would be vastly more credible than anything from 4chan. It's the made-up-for-no-reason capital of the internet.

Nah Im just speculating, I havent looked at the 4chan thing. But I cant see why they would put a whole game towards a squad and then pull it away. Plus the 4chan thing popped up like 2 days ago this arguments been going on for longer then that

The 4Chan thing was posted in March, leaving him with plenty of time before ME3 or the Liara DLC. It's popping back up now and people are saying it's real because the DLC was announced...

People were speculating on Kasumi and Liara DLC as soon as they heard the extracted sound clips, heck even a game site author made posts of it.

[IoCaster]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...


I just got done reading that whole 4chan thread and, as much as I feel stupid for saying it, it sounded to me as if he was indeed telling the truth (i.e. he was actually what he calimed to be, a BioWare writer). But then again, it's just as possible that he isn't.

Take the time and go through it all here. I really don't know what I think about it.

Thanks for the link. That's a whole lot of bunk in that thread and you'd be well advised to not believe a word of it. 

Fake BioWare writer wrote...
"That whole "use organic beings for reproduction" you saw in ME2? Yeah, completely pulled that out are(sic) ass."

Just a bunch of BS for the gullible to take and run with. *shrug*

[Wraith_of_Dawn]

I found it humorous at best.

[Soverign 666]

Alright so heres how i see this debate going so far.

Smudboy: ME3 will have no returning squad mates.

Polite; Yes it will

Smudboy: No it won't

Polite; Your stupid shut the **** up

Smudboy: No your stupid



Correct me if im wrong in my assemsment

[KingDan97]

smudboy wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

Wait a second. The source for all this speculation is 4chan? You have got to be kidding me. You coming up with these ideas on your own would be vastly more credible than anything from 4chan. It's the made-up-for-no-reason capital of the internet.

Nah Im just speculating, I havent looked at the 4chan thing. But I cant see why they would put a whole game towards a squad and then pull it away. Plus the 4chan thing popped up like 2 days ago this arguments been going on for longer then that

The 4Chan thing was posted in March, leaving him with plenty of time before ME3 or the Liara DLC. It's popping back up now and people are saying it's real because the DLC was announced...

People were speculating on Kasumi and Liara DLC as soon as they heard the extracted sound clips, heck even a game site author made posts of it.

I know, I'm stating more why anyone is paying it mind now, as opposed to then when people were all just speculating. I'm still positive it's just one fanboy's imaginings. I know that we've known these things were coming down the pipeline for a while. There were photos of a dev copy of the game before it even launched that listed everyone except Jacob and Miranda, likely due to the fact that they didn't have real recruitment missions. We also knew of them through the news reports and the hidden audio files. Same thing with Liara, except only through the hidden audio. I'm just stating that back in March, he likely wrote about the Liara/ME3 things because there would be no way to fact check for the forseeable future. Had he mentioned Overlord, then I would've put more stock in it, hell, if he'd mentioned details of the Firewalker pack I might've bought it even though that was heavily known at that point.

He didn't mention anything that could be verified within a timely manner, which was the point I was trying to make. It made him seem as though he could have real intel when there was no way to verify it. Hell, 3 months later it still isn't out, and likely won't for a few weeks to a month.

Specific problems I have with his Liara predictions. 1. The only one I honestly need, they said that you'd be able to make Liara your LI, despite the fact it took to entire first game to get her interested in you THAT way they'd need to be asleep at the wheel in order to let that big of a flaw in their established system pass by.

[KingDan97]

Soverign 666 wrote...

Alright so heres how i see this debate going so far.
Smudboy: ME3 will have no returning squad mates.
Polite; Yes it will, 4Chan said so
Smudboy: No it won't
Polite; Your stupid shut the **** up
Smudboy: No your stupid

Correct me if im wrong in my assemsment

Fix'd

[Segameister]

Michalsky wrote...

I personally think that there will be at least 2 new squadmembers so Shep even in the worst playthrough will have small team so he can continue the fight, with possibility to gain characters form previous games like Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Tali etc.
That will be some kind of reward for all of these people who keep them alive in ME1 and ME2.

Completely agree - Liara lived,  and so did Ashley OR Kaiden.  So, if Bioware wanted, they could use the only characters that were saved for ME3.  I don't see them making it so tough on the gamer, there will be a few new faces this time around. 

[KingDan97]

Segameister wrote...

Michalsky wrote...

I personally think that there will be at least 2 new squadmembers so Shep even in the worst playthrough will have small team so he can continue the fight, with possibility to gain characters form previous games like Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Tali etc.
That will be some kind of reward for all of these people who keep them alive in ME1 and ME2.

Completely agree - Liara lived,  and so did Ashley OR Kaiden.  So, if Bioware wanted, they could use the only characters that were saved for ME3.  I don't see them making it so tough on the gamer, there will be a few new faces this time around. 

Don't forget the bare minimum of 2 squad mates that made it out of ME2.

[smudboy]

KingDan97 wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Michalsky wrote...

I personally think that there will be at least 2 new squadmembers so Shep even in the worst playthrough will have small team so he can continue the fight, with possibility to gain characters form previous games like Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Tali etc.
That will be some kind of reward for all of these people who keep them alive in ME1 and ME2.

Completely agree - Liara lived,  and so did Ashley OR Kaiden.  So, if Bioware wanted, they could use the only characters that were saved for ME3.  I don't see them making it so tough on the gamer, there will be a few new faces this time around. 

Don't forget the bare minimum of 2 squad mates that made it out of ME2.

See, this makes sense.

Liara.
New ME3 Squadmate #1
New ME3 Squadmate #2
...
Ash/Kaidan (Alliance placeholder.)

And potentially:
ME2 squadmate #1 placeholder
ME2 squadmate #2 placeholder

The rest of the ME2 squadmates can easily be cameos of small complexity, further developed LI cameos, and emails.

[KingDan97]

smudboy wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Michalsky wrote...

I personally think that there will be at least 2 new squadmembers so Shep even in the worst playthrough will have small team so he can continue the fight, with possibility to gain characters form previous games like Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Tali etc.
That will be some kind of reward for all of these people who keep them alive in ME1 and ME2.

Completely agree - Liara lived,  and so did Ashley OR Kaiden.  So, if Bioware wanted, they could use the only characters that were saved for ME3.  I don't see them making it so tough on the gamer, there will be a few new faces this time around. 

Don't forget the bare minimum of 2 squad mates that made it out of ME2.

See, this makes sense.

Liara.
New ME3 Squadmate #1
New ME3 Squadmate #2
...
Ash/Kaidan (Alliance placeholder.)

And potentially:
ME2 squadmate #1 placeholder
ME2 squadmate #2 placeholder

The rest of the ME2 squadmates can easily be cameos of small complexity, further developed LI cameos, and emails.

Well I mean, they never know who the 2 who survive will be so they'd have to make roles for everyone anyway. I still think they'd develop roles for everyone, with defaults who will be alive no matter what to mesh well with the new squadmates, who could serve as placeholders if the primary choice would be dead. That's the way I see it anyway. I do understand what you mean but I just figure they don't know who the 2 will be, so they'd want to cover all their bases. I respect your opinion and I don't think that one is distinctly a more likely outcome then the other, it depends on how much Bioware is willing to pay or whether they have a pseudo contract of sorts, which I have proposed as a likely case since many games have shared VA's. Even big name ones(Morrigan in DAO was Admiral Xen in ME2 and Vala Mal Doran in SG1, certainly a large name so far as Sci-Fi goes)

[Jaron Oberyn]

Well we'll find out if the guy claiming to be a writer was correct or not based on how the Liara DLC plays out. It is possible that he's lying - if that's the case he's a significantly convincing liar.





@Smudboy - in response to your comment on the previous page, Bioware doesn't have to, nor will they, remodel the heads of the current squad or any NPC's.They used the same head models in Mass 2 as they did in Mass 1. For example, Udina, Anderson, Kaidan, Ashley, Garrus, etc... The only one who's head model got a revised look was Tali. And that was to differentiate between her and other quarians. Notice she's the only one with the head garment like that.



The only heads/bodies they'll have to model are for any possible new NPC's.



-Polite

[epoch_]

duh.

[smudboy]

KingDan97 wrote...
Well I mean, they never know who the 2 who survive will be so they'd have to make roles for everyone anyway. I still think they'd develop roles for everyone, with defaults who will be alive no matter what to mesh well with the new squadmates, who could serve as placeholders if the primary choice would be dead. That's the way I see it anyway. I do understand what you mean but I just figure they don't know who the 2 will be, so they'd want to cover all their bases. I respect your opinion and I don't think that one is distinctly a more likely outcome then the other, it depends on how much Bioware is willing to pay or whether they have a pseudo contract of sorts, which I have proposed as a likely case since many games have shared VA's. Even big name ones(Morrigan in DAO was Admiral Xen in ME2 and Vala Mal Doran in SG1, certainly a large name so far as Sci-Fi goes)

That comes down to your definition of role.

For example, I, and many others, see nothing wrong with the survivors being cameos and playing a large role in ME3's ending (like a rally call for war.)  They can create all the new squad characters they want, and have the new squad characters for plot integral scenes.

Now, it's possible that we could have a ME2 squadmember act as a placeholder that becomes plot integral (e.g. MacGuffin provider, like Tali or Mordin), but their MacGuffin (or other plot device) should be something generic or external that anyone can do (like being at the right place at the right time to observe something, get Geth data, save Shepard's ass again, discover a Prothean artefact and be introduced to the plot in returning from said mission, etc.)  An internal MacGuffin or quality would be extremely large and highly variable to include, but it's not impossible nor asset heavy to accomplish, but still difficult (meaning I can't quite think of one off the top of my head.)  So there are plenty of ways to write a ME2 squadmate character to become plot integral.  There just wouldn't be anything to their character, because there's no purpose to them after that.

In another scenario, let's assume everyone from ME2 can be squadmates in ME3.  Does that mean they'll all develop more, have arcs, have backstories?  No.  That's way too much work on completely optional content new ME3 players won't have, nor will that be the focus of the story.  Can they be cardboard cutouts of what we knew of them, with not much to say?  Sure, but there'd be no point, and that's not why we have side characters, which would only insult ME1/2 players.

The best they can do (there may be more, but this is all I've thought of) is give them basic dialog trees that expand as each plot point continues.  Obviously they'll provide more content to LI's trees, and they can have heavy plot involvement (as OP suggests), or fluff.

[Wraith_of_Dawn]

I'd say a hole in the side of Garrus' face would count as at least a re-work.

[Bluko]

We Tigers wrote...

Just went through the thread, and really, this has been debated since the game's release. In fact, this entire conversation has basically happened 40 times between ME and ME2, even, with all the same points being made on both sides. Also, piles of outrage on the part of the community upon learning that most of the ME1 team wouldn't be available, which later smoothed over into contented acceptance.

I will be stunned if any of the team from ME2 is playable. I'd love it, but I don't think they have the bandwidth to figure it out. It's not Bioware's MO to spend significant amounts of dev time on major items that might be missing from the games of numerous players. Any character who survives will have a brief NPC appearance, and any character who doesn't will be referenced in a line of dialogue at some point.

Exactly my sentiments.

[KainrycKarr]

Bluko wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

Just went through the thread, and really, this has been debated since the game's release. In fact, this entire conversation has basically happened 40 times between ME and ME2, even, with all the same points being made on both sides. Also, piles of outrage on the part of the community upon learning that most of the ME1 team wouldn't be available, which later smoothed over into contented acceptance.

I will be stunned if any of the team from ME2 is playable. I'd love it, but I don't think they have the bandwidth to figure it out. It's not Bioware's MO to spend significant amounts of dev time on major items that might be missing from the games of numerous players. Any character who survives will have a brief NPC appearance, and any character who doesn't will be referenced in a line of dialogue at some point.

Exactly my sentiments.

Actually it sounds like their only going to bother with the LI's. Everyone else gets the cameo treatment. Of course this source could be total bullpoo, but it makes sense. We'll know if it's credible when the Lair DLC comes out.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 03 août 2010 - 11:40 .

[We Tigers]

I actually don't think the Liara DLC will add or detract from the credibility of that information in any way. I don't have time to search right now, but I'm pretty sure people have been talking about Shadow Broker-related DLC featuring Liara since the first week or two the game was out. After seeing how limited her appearance was in ME2, I recall many posters here really advocating that kind of addition as a bridge to get the "real" Liara back on the team. It's also not exactly a leap to suggest that DLC involving Liara would also be an opportunity to continue the romance.

Modifié par We Tigers, 03 août 2010 - 11:49 .