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[Xizi01]

 First thing I apologize I haven’t read trough all off the 30 pages.  So some things might be (most will be)
mentioned before.

If you look at the group setup itself from ME1 to ME2 you actually have two with you again.
The rest that could have been killed off have been given other roles. Like Wrex
and whoever you saved (in most cases I believe it’s the one with your romance
interest) but now bioware has made it harder for themselves by giving us the
option to kill multiple team members and all of them are a option.

These decisions will have an affect like the big ones from ME1 to ME2. Only this time around
more variables will be carried over.  As I’ve
read in multiple interviews ME1 carried approximately 700 variables over to
ME2, from ME2 to ME3 it will be approximately 1000 variables(I can’t find the
source right now but will keep looking). If we look how the big choices are implanted in ME2 we can most likely get a good view/hope off how they will do it in ME3.

If you start a fresh ME2 game(meaning without importing a save) bioware will set some
default settings for you. Like the council is dead, you saved the opposite
gender and Anderson is an advisor.
This is a valid option for bioware to give you your starting group, depanding on your
save. So I think some people will stick around depanding on your save, and if you don’t have a
save there will most likely be default settings like at ME2.  
My personal feelings about your squad are that:

Thane is dying and will most likely die, romanced or not he has less than a year to live
at the start off ME2.  In my state of
mind we will skip another few years during the intro (where you hopefully can
hijack the Normandy and give the finger to cerb. But yeah ;p) So for me he won’t
be there saved, loyal, romanced, the man is dead.

Jacob:  Not many words I want to spend on him, I hope he dies in the intro.  Something like
grunt throwing him off the ship somehow seems to bring a smile to my face:innocent:

Miranda:  I think she will be there by default and is less likely to believe TIM over you.
That’s the feeling I get from the end game. Especially if you take her with you on the last mission (while running
paragorn).

Grunt:  In my eyes both options that came across will be excellent.
Or he is helping out on merging the clans or on the Normandy “fighting
big things” either way works. I hope he is available or Wrex is since they are
very good defensing wise.

Garrus: He should be there for you again, he sticked with you trough everything not having him
with you will make the game incomplete to me. Also he has nowhere to go
actually (not that we know atleast).

Jack: I think she is optional depanding on your save if you were anti TIM or not. So by
default she wouldn’t be there.

Kasumi/Zaeed:
Where both guns for hire so I won’t think they will be in ME3. Given the fact
you have no interaction with them on your ship says enough for me. And that was
very disappointing but that’s a personal opinion.

Tali: Will most likely be the quarian again but I think she ran off again because she is the
pride off the fleet and doesn’t do anything without considering the fleet. So I
think we need to recruit her again. So by default I don’t think she will be
there. Consider ing what you said during and between the trial about the geth something
might come out of it (atleast we can hope right  ).

Samara/Morinth:
I think they will go their way. Personally never had morinth so I can’t comment
on it. Samara will go back to asari space and play for god. As said justicars
usually work on their own ( one thing to watch out for here is that “they are
drawn to impossible cases” or something close to that ).

Legion:
I think legion will be there by default because he has been tracking you down for
2 years, so once he found you he isn’t going anywhere.

Mordin:
I love this guy so I hope he will be there. But taking the variable in that he’s got a
short life and a lot of interest Im not really sure if he would be there or
not.

So some off the crew will be there depending on your choices and I think some are off to
help others off their race.  But there will always be a default group. And I hope we can work
together with more off or ME1 group. Personally I think you start with the default group or slightly bigger
depanding on your save and you pickup people once the reapers attack. Like you
arrive “late” ( meaning reaper attack is already happening)on Tutanka and you
pick up wrex or Grunt to help you., and they will stick with you to the end of
the game. Something like that will work for most cases.

edit: Copy paste from words failed horrible 

Modifié par Xizi01, 04 août 2010 - 02:24 .

[AllThatJazz]

I reckon ME3 squad will be as follows:



Ash/Kaidan (obviously whichever one survived Virmire). They play a major role regardless of romance because they are the representative of the Alliance on your squad.



Liara (Shadow Broker or not, doesn't render her incapable of lending a hand)



Plus any surviving squadmembers from ME2, with the possible exceptions of Thane (dead or too ill, depending on how long after ME2 the game is set), Mordin (too old to actively participate, though possibly still aboard the Normandy), and Morinth (unlikely to stick around due to being a psycho). There may also be gaps in your squad depending on who you picked up in the first place. Kasumi and Zaeed also question marks due to being DLC only.



There will be a couple of slots for new 'full' squad members that everyone has the opportunity to get regardless of actions in the previous games. These new squadmembers may well have recruitment/loyalty missions and 'proper' dialogue.



If you managed to get a majority of squadmembers killed, or if you have gaps because you didn't get certain teammates or whatever, then what you get is a cast of mercenaries to fill in the gaps, similar to Kasumi/Zaeed, only without the loyalty missions. They will be voiced, they will be of a variety of classes/races, and they will be perfectly competent, but they won't have any proper dialogue, they won't have personal quests, and they will only stick around as long as you have the creds. They can be replaced by another mercenary at any time you choose up to the endgame. With some exceptions, you can also replace 'full' squad members with mercs if you want. There might be some kind of 'hub' where you can go to hire people and look up dossiers. Since their dialogue is very limited, these characters shouldn't cost the earth to voice and could quite easily be voiced by the existing cast of ME actors.



This way, everyone ends up with a full squad (or can if they choose). Those who saved (and decide to keep) their team from ME2 are rewarded with expanded dialogue/quests/romance track, but of course do not get as many new characters to experience. Those whose teammates are mostly dead or whatever DO get a boatload of fun new squaddies to play with, but at the expense of character development and chat.



Default for those new to ME3 is this - Romance in ME1 was the straight human option. Saved LI on Virmire. It is assumed that all squad members minus DLC were picked up in ME2, and that you 'cheated' on your ME1 romance with Miranda or Jacob. It is also assumed that some squad members died (my money is on Jack, Thane, Mordin, Samara/Morinth) or were never recruited (Zaeed/Kasumi). So default returnees will be Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Jacob, Legion and Grunt. So you get those six, plus the two from ME1, plus the two new full squaddies, plus two spaces for mercs.



I have thought about this too much.

[Zulu_DFA]

Seeing all this fervent devotion of the fan boys and girls to potentially dead characters... It's a pity I'm not an EA executive. I'd invent a fantastic elaborate extortion racket scheme, to make truckloads of money their dreams come true - that is to put as many ME2 squadmates in everyone's ME3 as possible, in addition to the default standard retail version of ME3. Something like making Tali a bonus for the digital distributive, and Miranda for the Collector's Edition, and Legion to be paid Day One DLC, and Garrus as free Day One DLC, but requiring a ME2 import...

On the second thought, wasn't all that on their mind during ME2 development?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 04 août 2010 - 04:57 .

[Wittand25]

The default for ME2 was a minimum effort and carry-over Shepard. The same will happen in ME3.
That means: no romance in ME1 or 2;
Crew-member in the suicide mission were only those you can recruit before Horizon ( All that can only be recruited afterwards, are not recruited and therefore alive, some might even be recruit-able in ME3). Jack was disloyal and therefore killed, Grunt and Mordin died too,Garrussurvived and be right there at the start of ME3, and at least one the two Cerberus operatives survived too and be a squad-member from start (most likely the opposite sex again).
Shepard did not have used the geth virus, did destroy the data on the genophage and did destroy the collector´s base.
Most of the crew got liquefied.
That way a new player will need a minimum of explanation for the carry over decisions.

Modifié par Wittand25, 04 août 2010 - 03:12 .

[ilikeicehockey]

I'm thinking there definitely will be returning squad members. Why do you think Bioware did that stats tracking while you're playing the game? They want to see what the majority of people do and build around that. Also, who here didn't want to save all their squadmates. I'm sure all of you tried to and just killed some of them off to see a different ending but when ME3 comes out I'm sure you'll load the save where you saved everyone first...

[smudboy]

Wittand25 wrote...

The default for ME2 was a minimum effort and carry-over Shepard. The same will happen in ME3.
That means: no romance in ME1 or 2;
Crew-member in the suicide mission were only those you can recruit before Horizon ( All that can only be recruited afterwards, are not recruited and therefore alive, some might even be recruit-able in ME3). Jack was disloyal and therefore killed, Grunt and Mordin died too,Garrussurvived and be right there at the start of ME3, and at least one the two Cerberus operatives survived too and be a squad-member from start (most likely the opposite sex again).
Shepard did not have used the geth virus, did destroy the data on the genophage and did destroy the collector´s base.
Most of the crew got liquefied.
That way a new player will need a minimum of explanation for the carry over decisions.

Exactly Wittand25.

This is how you guys should be thinking.  Not out of popularity, but what works with the functionality of the system.

(And there are a few simple arguments of getting ME2 squadamates to be ME3 squadmates, but everyone who wants them back is just randomly speculating based on preference, and not LCD.)

[Myrmedus]

Yeah that's something to remember here. The argument about about how each game being stand-alone means we won't see squadies carry over has already been proven false with ME2. Like has been mentioned before in this thread all they'll do is set a default/canon backstory for you if you play ME3 without importing a save, rather alike the Star Wars KotOR comics having Revan as Male-light and Exile as Female-light etc.

I think Xizi01's post sums up my thoughts anyway. There are already many ME2 squadies who likely won't return, even if they survive, which means they only have to worry about factoring in 3-4 characters from ME2 anyway so the workload isn't too high then; I wouldn't be surprised if they do allow you to keep some of our favourites and I expect Tali and Garrus to be 2 of those because they have the strongest connection to Shepard and therefore the mission at hand. I also reckon Miranda will be there too.

I think the following characters won't return as squadies, no matter your ME1 or ME2 outcomes:

Kaiden/Ashley - I'm on the fence here but due to their potential to be killed early on but also because if we're looking at an all-out war then they'll be able to just fight as part of the Alliance anyway and still be fighting the Reaper threat - might be wrong though.

Wrex - Again, on the fence here, but I figure that Wrex will likely lead the Krogan into battle rather than be a squadie - shame that!

Grunt - Not enough of a pull to Shepard specifically to continue on after the Suicide Mission as he'll be able to battle the Reapers simply as part of the Krogan force. I expect both him and Wrex to be major characters though.

Jacob - He wasn't that popular I don't think, and we've seen how BW listen to the fans, so I wouldn't be surprised if we just find him working in the Alliance again after a spat with TIM over the Collector Base or something.

Thane - Xizi01 mentioned it, he'll likely be gone by this point unfortunately.

Jack - Didn't have the strongest tie to the mission exactly. Many of the other characters are doing it because of strong morals or because they recognise the danger but Jack really just did it because of her murderous streak and owing you. Once the mission is done I half expect it to be job done, debt paid - even with the romance I think she'll be elsewhere.

Samara - Obvious reasons, she'll return to her Justicar activities.

Morinth - Obvious.

Mordin - I'm on the fence again here but I think Mordin will be too old. Unlike many of the above characters he did have a strong moral reason for being on board he really did believe in what you were doing and fought because he recognised the threat. However, he's getting on for a Salarian so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't return - I fully expect him to be available in some format though, likely in a scientific (Q-like) capacity.

DLC Characters - Obvious.

So you see there aren't many characters that would return anyway, therefore I don't think the workload would be too high to include those who you keep alive.

In addition, I think Legion will be in ME3 100%, even if he gets killed in ME2. Yep, you heard me. Think about it logically, he's essentially just an upgraded platform of the Geth collective so if he dies in the Suicide Mission it's just his "body" that is destroyed. Legion basically tells you the same thing in his conversations that the Geth do not truly die (nor do they infiltrate!)

Modifié par Myrmedus, 04 août 2010 - 04:29 .

[epoch_]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Bluko wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

Just went through the thread, and really, this has been debated since the game's release. In fact, this entire conversation has basically happened 40 times between ME and ME2, even, with all the same points being made on both sides. Also, piles of outrage on the part of the community upon learning that most of the ME1 team wouldn't be available, which later smoothed over into contented acceptance.

I will be stunned if any of the team from ME2 is playable. I'd love it, but I don't think they have the bandwidth to figure it out. It's not Bioware's MO to spend significant amounts of dev time on major items that might be missing from the games of numerous players. Any character who survives will have a brief NPC appearance, and any character who doesn't will be referenced in a line of dialogue at some point.

Exactly my sentiments.

Actually it sounds like their only going to bother with the LI's. Everyone else gets the cameo treatment. Of course this source could be total bullpoo, but it makes sense. We'll know if it's credible when the Lair DLC comes out.

That's purely wishful thinking. No one will be returning. And I'll continue to stand by that until I'm given a reason to think otherwise. I must admit, when its finally revealed we'll be getting a new squad, I'm going to grab a big bowl of popcorn and camp out in the tali thread.

Oh blind pessimism with no previous events to back it up... How I loathe thee...

Haha, I just added this guy to my list of future messages to be sent out.  If you seriously think that no one is returning, even for example a Mass 2 LI if you decided to wait until the second game to get in on that, your sadly, sadly sadly, mistaken. 

-Polite

It will be a very happy day when I get your message. I do not, however, ever expect to receive it, unfrotunetly.

[epoch_]

KingDan97 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Bluko wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

Just went through the thread, and really, this has been debated since the game's release. In fact, this entire conversation has basically happened 40 times between ME and ME2, even, with all the same points being made on both sides. Also, piles of outrage on the part of the community upon learning that most of the ME1 team wouldn't be available, which later smoothed over into contented acceptance.

I will be stunned if any of the team from ME2 is playable. I'd love it, but I don't think they have the bandwidth to figure it out. It's not Bioware's MO to spend significant amounts of dev time on major items that might be missing from the games of numerous players. Any character who survives will have a brief NPC appearance, and any character who doesn't will be referenced in a line of dialogue at some point.

Exactly my sentiments.

Actually it sounds like their only going to bother with the LI's. Everyone else gets the cameo treatment. Of course this source could be total bullpoo, but it makes sense. We'll know if it's credible when the Lair DLC comes out.

That's purely wishful thinking. No one will be returning. And I'll continue to stand by that until I'm given a reason to think otherwise. I must admit, when its finally revealed we'll be getting a new squad, I'm going to grab a big bowl of popcorn and camp out in the tali thread.

Oh blind pessimism with no previous events to back it up... How I loathe thee...

blah blah blah, blind optimism, blah blah blah.

[epoch_]

KainrycKarr wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Bluko wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

Just went through the thread, and really, this has been debated since the game's release. In fact, this entire conversation has basically happened 40 times between ME and ME2, even, with all the same points being made on both sides. Also, piles of outrage on the part of the community upon learning that most of the ME1 team wouldn't be available, which later smoothed over into contented acceptance.

I will be stunned if any of the team from ME2 is playable. I'd love it, but I don't think they have the bandwidth to figure it out. It's not Bioware's MO to spend significant amounts of dev time on major items that might be missing from the games of numerous players. Any character who survives will have a brief NPC appearance, and any character who doesn't will be referenced in a line of dialogue at some point.

Exactly my sentiments.

Actually it sounds like their only going to bother with the LI's. Everyone else gets the cameo treatment. Of course this source could be total bullpoo, but it makes sense. We'll know if it's credible when the Lair DLC comes out.

That's purely wishful thinking. No one will be returning. And I'll continue to stand by that until I'm given a reason to think otherwise. I must admit, when its finally revealed we'll be getting a new squad, I'm going to grab a big bowl of popcorn and camp out in the tali thread.

Wishful thinking? Looking back into the thread and you'll find i don't think they'll come back either. that "wishful thinking" is simply gather from interviews, and highly questionable source who is a supposed bioware writer, along with what already happened with me2.

Get the stick out of your arse and either find something useful to say one way or the other, or gtfo. Noone cares about your silly pessimism. It is what it is, and it won't matter until ME3 comes out, one way or the other.

If you hate the game so much, leave. It's that simple.

[lovgreno]

If many people want's returning squadmates (and I belive many do) that is a economical incentive for the developers to at least try. I'm sure they can think of something.

[We Tigers]

Not really. Anyone who posts on this board is buying the game anyway.

[smudboy]

epoch_ wrote...

Oh man, I can't stop laughing.  WTF!?

Don't you love that argument?  "You hate the game.  Go away."  It's like their Pro-ME2 brain just shifted into low gear and they had to step on the gas to compensate.

[Jaron Oberyn]

SmokePants wrote...

How can the love interests play a "major role" in anything when you may or may not have one or they may or may not be dead? This is what you people do: you take an utterance from a developer, completely strip it of all context -- because you do not understand context -- and then you proceed to paraphrase it until it mutates into what you want to hear.

Obviously that's what your doing. It's nice of you to explain the process of your thinking. But it's wrong. If you don't have an LI, then you won't have someone to play a major role in the third game. Simple as that. But if you do, and 99% of the people who play it do, then you will have that certain someone fill in a role that is supposedly vital to the story. 1 person. Not the whole squad. That's not difficult to achieve.

-Polite

Casey Hudson:

''we wanted to make sure the love interest can remain an important and integral part of the story, we want that to continue into the third game. We have some really important things we want to resolve there.


http://social.biowar...-1109885-1.html

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 04 août 2010 - 05:12 .

[SmokePants]

epoch_ wrote...

It will be a very happy day when I get your message. I do not, however, ever expect to receive it, unfrotunetly.

I used to think that I would be happy to be wrong, but now, I'm kind of glad that I/we will be proven correct. Purely for humanitarian reasons, of course. It's not good for society to have people who are bad at thinking walking around under the delusion that they are good at it. They will only hurt themselves and others when their frayed logic comes unraveled.

[Myrmedus]

Luc0s wrote...

I have to agree with Epoch and the OP.
I bet my 2 cents that ME3 squad will be entirely new with only Ashly/Kaiden and Liara joining again. Maybe Wrex can come back if you saved him in ME1 or else the Urthnot leader who takes Wrex's place if you didn't save him in ME1.

But your ME2 squadies? Nope, they won't be in your crew in ME3. They'll take important NPC roles (like Wrex in ME2) at best.

They don't have to retcon anything, that doesn't make any sense. They set the canon, just like they did with an ME2 game using the default character. If they say "Garrus, Tali, Miranda and Grunt survived the suicide mission" for your default ME3 game then Garrus, Tali, Miranda and Grunt survived.

You don't retcon your own literature xD. You seem to be operating under the assumption that their canonical ending is for everyone to die O.o

Modifié par Myrmedus, 04 août 2010 - 05:20 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

I wanna spam this thread so hard



nnnnnnnnnngh



Of course I am the one who is right. They could do it, they are in their power. But previous trends say they won't do it.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Luc0s wrote...

@PoliteAssassin:

I guessed that what Casey Hudson said only applies to the ME1 LI's. He wants the whole LI-thing to stay in ME3 and make it something important, but he never said that any ME1 or ME2 LI will be carried over to ME3 for that particular important role. Maybe you'll get an entirely new LI in ME3? But if they indeed give your LI an important role in ME3 then I guess it will only be so for the ME1 LI's, not the ME2 LI's, because they can possibly die.

So your saying only the Mass 1 LI's will be given this role, but because the Mass 2 LI's could possibly die, they won't? I'm going to bring this up again, even though people have a hard time believing it, but the guy claiming to be a Bioware writer said that they're working on giving the the LI's from both games full fledged roles.

Now if you don't believe the guy, think about this - Ashley/Kaidan could both die on Mass Effect 2. They could both possibly die. But if they didn't, whichever one, and they're your LI then they will get the major role. It's the same with Mass 2 LI's. They could die, but if they didn't, they get the role.

-Polite

[IoCaster]

ilikeicehockey wrote...

I'm sure all of you tried to and just killed some of them off to see a different ending but when ME3 comes out I'm sure you'll load the save where you saved everyone first...

Why are you so sure of that? The only squad members I'm carrying over on my save file are Tali, Garrus and Kasumi. The rest of the squad fought heroically, but alas they didn't make it off the Collector Base alive.

/pours out a 40 for my homies     

[Barquiel]

ilikeicehockey wrote...

I'm sure all of you tried to and just killed some of them off to see a different ending but when ME3 comes out I'm sure you'll load the save where you saved everyone first...

No^_^

My no one left behind achievement is still grayed out.