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[Onyx Jaguar]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Garrus has no reason to leave Shepard. Tali I see no reason to leave, unless she becomes Admiral, or wants to go back to the migrant fleet (provided she is not exiled). Legion looks up to Shepard (obviously) so he is not leaving.

Garrus, and Legion are must haves in ME 3, no doubt.

No they can be written to have a reason to leave.  Look at the Virmire survivor, they were given promotions.  In fact I would say that they *should* be as likely to return to the squad as Wrex is just based off of storyline implications. 

[rpg_guy01]

It's basically the question if we want to end up with having to recruit 10 - 12 new squad members and having to make them loyal  OR get the old squadmembers back that are loyal so the developers can concentrate on more story missions.

I for one would buy the third installment at bargain prices if they choose for the first option. The recruit setup was fine for the first installment and made logic in the second, but I can see no real reason why everyone needs to split for the third. Logically speaking why would anyone leave when the real fight is just beginning (I will admit that Zaeed could possibly leave for having done what bargained for, but then again why leave if you know that a race of highly advanced machines is coming to harvest your molecules if not stopped).

Ofcourse I can understand that if you have lost members in suicide mission that your team would me smaller, but that is more being punished for not upgrading. Also if you would say  "Hey they can't return because they CAN die in suicide mission" you walk a slippery slope of reason as you would also not be able to play Shepard, seeing as also he can die () .

[The Unfallen]

No I literally can find no logical reason for Garrus or Legion to leave.

[jlb524]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

No I literally can find no logical reason for Garrus or Legion to leave.

There wasn't a logical reason for Liara to leave either, but they created one. 

[The Unfallen]

I don't see why the would create one for Garrus, or Legion. I can understand Liara, however, she wasn't exactly the most popular character.

[rpg_guy01]

jlb524 wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

No I literally can find no logical reason for Garrus or Legion to leave.

There wasn't a logical reason for Liara to leave either, but they created one. 

Well Shepard being death as a doornail and the alliance splitting up the team seemed pretty logical to my mind.

[MyKingdomCold]

I haven't read all the responses in this topic, but I do think they have to accommodate for people who've killed off most of the squad mates in ME2. So I guess they would have to bring back squad mates from ME1 or have new squad mates to join you.



So would that mean they would have writing and voice acting for 20+ squad mates? And if Mordin, for example, didn't survive your game, his voice actor wouldn't even be heard in certain games.

[Onyx Jaguar]

rpg_guy01 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

No I literally can find no logical reason for Garrus or Legion to leave.

There wasn't a logical reason for Liara to leave either, but they created one. 

Well Shepard being death as a doornail and the alliance splitting up the team seemed pretty logical to my mind.

Same thing could happen in ME 3.  The Alliance Marine at the start shoots down the SR-2 because Shepard is working for Cerberus and only Shepard lives, or Shepard escapes in a pod leaving their crew to their fate. 

[jlb524]

rpg_guy01 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

No I literally can find no logical reason for Garrus or Legion to leave.

There wasn't a logical reason for Liara to leave either, but they created one. 

Well Shepard being death as a doornail and the alliance splitting up the team seemed pretty logical to my mind.

Yes, but it wasn't logical that Liara wouldn't join Shepard again after coming back from the dead (like Garrus and Tali did).  They created a story reason (the Shadow Broker) to keep her off the team...they could easily do this with any other character.

[MarchWaltz]

bobobo878 wrote...

[FourSixEight]

scyphozoa wrote...

i think i remember hearing characters we meet in ME2 are potential squadmates in ME3. hence my hopes to have Aria, Kal Reegar and TIM as squadmates in ME3.

Where did you hear that? I'd like to believe that, but I don't know if the devs ever said anything concrete along those lines.

[CroGamer002]

Mesina2 wrote...

Characters that will leave from ME2 if didn't die.
Zaeed - he done his job that he got paid to do it and to get Vido if you saved workers
Kasumi - went in hiding if has greybox, otherwise went to steal more sh*t
Thane - he's dead no mater what
Samara - went so seek injustice and try to find Morinth if you fail her loyalty
Morinth - she went to kill more people with sex

Characters that may leave you if they didn't die:
Tali - become admiral
Grunt - help Krogans on Tuchanka

Character that wouldn't make sense to leave if didn't die:
Garrus( infiltrator)
Legion( engineer)
Jacob( vanguard)
Miranda( sentinel)
Jack( adept)
Mordin( engineer and scientist)

Those are 6( 8) characters that are kept plus 6 new one.

What, nobody will comment on this?

[KainrycKarr]

This is a new topic and has not been utterly beaten to death over and over. I suggest we carry on by making 5 more new ones over the course of the week!

[Rovay]

Mesina2 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Characters that will leave from ME2 if didn't die.
Zaeed - he done his job that he got paid to do it and to get Vido if you saved workers
Kasumi - went in hiding if has greybox, otherwise went to steal more sh*t
Thane - he's dead no mater what
Samara - went so seek injustice and try to find Morinth if you fail her loyalty
Morinth - she went to kill more people with sex

Characters that may leave you if they didn't die:
Tali - become admiral
Grunt - help Krogans on Tuchanka

Character that wouldn't make sense to leave if didn't die:
Garrus( infiltrator)
Legion( engineer)
Jacob( vanguard)
Miranda( sentinel)
Jack( adept)
Mordin( engineer and scientist)

Those are 6( 8) characters that are kept plus 6 new one.

What, nobody will comment on this?

Oh fine, if you want to...
I mostly agree on this, with few possible exceptions:

1)Samara- If I remember correctly, if you're Paragon enough, she will tell you that if you need her help in any future missions, she'll gladly join you again. I know it will probably mean nothing in ME3 but I'm going to keep hoping...

2)Mordin- As many have already said, he's quite old and depending on when ME3 takes place, he may not be an active team member. Still, no reason (at least for me) why wouldn't he hang out on Normandy, doing upgrades and research.

3)Thane- Yes, his illness is a problem and depending on when ME3 takes place he can be dead. But, if I remember correctly, he said it would take somewhere near eight months to one year for first symptoms to kick in. So before this happens he should be avalible for action.

Okay, I said what I had to say.

[Guanxii]

 ME3 squad will be entirely old and here's why and how.

1.) Ever heard the expression "to fiddle while Rome burns"?: from a storytelling perspective it would be borderline retarded to waste nearly the entire game recruiting a whole new cast while the galaxy is in the middle of a full blown reaper invasion. There is no time for recruitment you fool!!! and there's even less time/potential at this late stage for (new) character development. (I maintain the main cast has already been fully fleshed out in ME & ME2 for precisely this reason)

2.) Closure: Nobody wants to them to waste both their and our time on new characters with very limited potential to be fleshed out at the expense of spending our final days with series fan favs we may never ever see again. A final send off/fitting tribute or it will be colossal mistake.

3.) Deja Vu. What was the point of ME2 again? To recruit THE 12 deadliest propagators of badassery in the entire galaxy. Period. Why 12? Because unless you have a serious mental condition you're guaranteed to have at least a handful survive AND have at least 2 returning from ME1 (Liara + Ashley or Kaidan)...

4.) The combination of which is supposed to vary in accordance with your past choices - it's what makes my game different from yours = consequences:

5.) Your past choices are irrelevant to the default cannon however (see ME2):  they don't die unless you made a mistake in your game(s) and contrary to popular misconception the full cast return will equate to in my estimation 10 characters which is not unwieldy or un-managable:

The default roster for ME3 for new players will be (in order of first appearance):

1. Ashley or Kaidan (depending on Shep's Sex see Virmire default option in ME2)
2. Garrus
3. Tali
4. Liara
5. Miranda
6. Jacob
7. Mordin
8. Jack
9. Grunt
10. Thane

*Legion critically important cameo role... however in default he will be exchanged to Cerberus/Spaced without playing ME2)
*Samara cameo'd for Liara (2 Asari is overkill/unnecessary)
*Kasumi cameo'd as completely optional combined with potential death
**Zaeed cameo'd

Your roster will vary slightly from the default (Ash or Kaidan + deaths) leaving you with bare minimum of 4 characters if you totally suck at Mass Effect (2 ME2 + 2 ME1) or a maximum of 10 if all have survived up to this point.

Further dlc characters will probably be released in post release content to bring this total up to 12 primarily catering to those heavy on casualties.

I don't see how this scenario is any less feasible than yours.

[adneate]

Guanxii wrote...

I don't see how this scenario is any less feasible than yours.

Finally somebody sane in this thread, kudos sir for actually making sense unlike the idiot OP.

[JedTed]

I understand they gotta acomodate new players who will jump into ME3 with no knowlage of the previous two games but i feel that replacing all the squadies from ME2, whether they're dead or not, is a bit cheap. They put so much emphasis on choice and consequence but where is the consequence when one of you dead squadies in ME2 is replaced with a new one in ME3?



My suggestion is carry over all the ME2 squadmates who are alive into ME3 and only add 2-3 new ones. Frankly it would seem like more work for Bioware to cram in a cameo for every single ME2 squadie so it'd be easier to just bring em all back.



I think it's worth noting that they didn't have to bring Garrus and Tali back as squadmates. While Tali plays an important role in the story she could've easily been reduced to a cameo for ME2. As for Garrus, well you didn't really need to recruit him in ME1 but they brought him back anyway.

[Jackal904]

I don't think so. It would be a waste of already developed characters. They'd have to reinvest a lot of time and resources into making a bunch of new squadmates. So using these already developed squadmates will allow them to focus on other things. It's called opportunity cost.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Mesina2 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Characters that will leave from ME2 if didn't die.
Zaeed - he done his job that he got paid to do it and to get Vido if you saved workers
Kasumi - went in hiding if has greybox, otherwise went to steal more sh*t
Thane - he's dead no mater what
Samara - went so seek injustice and try to find Morinth if you fail her loyalty
Morinth - she went to kill more people with sex

Characters that may leave you if they didn't die:
Tali - become admiral
Grunt - help Krogans on Tuchanka

Character that wouldn't make sense to leave if didn't die:
Garrus( infiltrator)
Legion( engineer)
Jacob( vanguard)
Miranda( sentinel)
Jack( adept)
Mordin( engineer and scientist)

Those are 6( 8) characters that are kept plus 6 new one.

What, nobody will comment on this?

I think your list is the most plausible theory. What some people don't seem to understand is this simple thing - Your squad from ME2 is going to be your squad in ME3. Why? Because ME2 was all about your team, getting to know them, getting their loyalty, etc... You have the galaxies dirty dozen with you already. Why would they leave when the real fight is about to begin? Bioware isn't going to make a game where the focus is the team, only to write the team off in the 3rd game just because they didn't feel like scripting all of the outcomes. And to sort of prove my point that ME3 will have the same squad, except for Kasumi and Zaeed who will probably not come, Casey Hudson just had an interview with Joystiq. In the interview, the Joystiq representative asked how they were going to make Mass 3 with all of the possible outcomes of ME2's ending. What was Casey Hudsons response? "It's ... very hard." 

I can only imagine with all of the possible outcomes of who died and who didn't. But just because you can conceive how Bioware will manage the 3rd game in regards to squad mates, doesn't mean they will have an entirely new squad. And don't use that old argument about the ME1 squad. Because that has already been addressed. 

Think of it this way. In my playthrough, my Shepard quits Cerberus, along with Miranda who says she resigns. If she's going to leave, where exactly is she going to go? That's just one example. Garrus is a wanted person. He's been proclaimed dead in the Terminus systems, so where will he go? I can see Grunt possibly leaving based on the email message from the Shaman of Clan Urdnot, but then again would he want to leave if theres still a fight to be had? You act as if the people who went through the omega 4 relay and saw what the collectors were doing are just going to part ways because the suicide mission is over. Technically the mission isn't over, because you only stopped the Collectors. So the reapers are still out there and waiting to be destroyed. So saying Samara or Mordin or anyone else would leave, would make no sense. Why leave when the threat isn't over? 

Now if you people would just think before you post these threads, you wouldn't have had to waste so much time on your theory only to have it disproven by common sense.

Edit: Source - http://www.joystiq.c...-mass-effect-2/

 -Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 07 juillet 2010 - 10:16 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

No the point of ME 2 was to build a squad that could go through the Omega 4 relay and survive

[Jaron Oberyn]

Onyx Jaguar,



I'm sorry man but your wrong. Completely wrong. Why would Bioware make you have to start over with a new team? It would make absolutely no sense at all. Did you not read my post above? What proof or materials do you have to suggest that they'd drop the squad in ME3? I've given my reasons and my evidence to support it. What do you have that makes you so sure that ME3 will have an entirely new squad?



-Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

worm_burner wrote...

Unless I missed something I though the entire point of ME2 was to build the ultimate squad. Why would we enter ME3 and start all over again? We dont need ME2.5. I can understand a few going away and gaining a few more but getting rid of all of them would pretty much defeat the point of making ME2.

Exactly. A new squad would render Mass 2 completely useless. That was the focus of the game. Did you not watch the documentaries? Casey Hudson, everyone else, said that Mass Effect 2 is all about your team. They dedicated an entire game to a team. Why would they discard that team if they didn't die?

 -Polite