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Tighue wrote...

I agree that most, if not all, survivors of the suicide mission will probably get the "Wrex" treatment in Mass Effect 3. But I can be cool with that. In exchange, I merely demand squaddies voiced by Nathan Fillion and Claudia Black. Throw in squaddies voiced by Edward James Olmos and Callum Keith Rennie and I'll even stop sending Garrus birthday cards.

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Who's to say that the deceased squadmates don't get Lazarus'd? Or rather, a handful that Bioware picks to be continuous into the next title. I realize that it's an incredibly expensive project that takes years to complete, but I don't believe it's unreasonable for either Cerberus or some other shadow organization to resurrect the team that took down the Reaper threat (presuming that any of them died).


Euhm, Cerberus send Shepard and his team on a SUICIDE mission. What part of SUI-CIDE don't you understand? TIM took 2 years to rebuild Shepard and it cost him 4billion credits. He only did it because he knew the importance of Shepard and he knew that Shepard would be the only man who's up to the job to stop the collectors. TIM was well aware of the risk that Shepard and his entire squad might die along the road, that's why he advices Shepard to make sure every one of his squad members finishes their unfinished business and put their past troubles behind. TIM, Shepard and his crew where well aware of the fact that they most likely wouldn't return from the suicide mission.

And now you're saying that it's not unreasonable for TIM to ressurect your ME2 squad again with a new Project Lazerus? In fact, you're not even suggesting that he would be willing to spend 4billion credits yet again to ressurect one ME2 squad member, no, you're suggesting that he would actually ressurect half of the team! Are you kidding me? I know TIM is rich and powerful, but even TIM doesn't have the resources for that! And even if he would have the resources, do you honestly think that Tali or Garrus are worth the 2 years and 4billion credits? Really, wake up.

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However, obviously this would not apply to every party member in ME1/2. Fan-favorites Tali and Garrus are *bound* to be in ME3 whether they lived or died, as well as other important characters such as Miranda (2nd in command at Cerberus, project leader of Lazarus, etc.).


No they aren't bound to be in ME3. They'll only be in ME3 if they survived the ME2 suicide-mission. And even then, I don't hold my breath that they will get anything more than a fancy cameo or a temporary co-op mission with Shepard (like Liara in the opcomming Shadow Broker DLC for ME2).

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In the end, it's not fair to take a side in the debate because we don't have any real facts to go off of other than every squad member can die.


Indeed, we can merely speculate. But at least some of us are able to use common-sense. And common-sense tells us that it's highly unlikely that you'll keep (part of) your ME2 squad in ME3.

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iakus wrote...

Tighue wrote...

I agree that most, if not all, survivors of the suicide mission will probably get the "Wrex" treatment in Mass Effect 3. But I can be cool with that. In exchange, I merely demand squaddies voiced by Nathan Fillion and Claudia Black. Throw in squaddies voiced by Edward James Olmos and Callum Keith Rennie and I'll even stop sending Garrus birthday cards.

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Because she's space morrigan.

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Il Divo wrote...

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And no the arguement won't be settled until more detail is released on ME3, but come on what else do we really have to discuss about here? There's only so many times we can discuss what happens in-game before all that gets old. So really all we're left with is to say what we did and did not like, and what we think ME3 we'll be like. Which is what this thread is partly about.


Well, we could talk about our undying passion for Tali instead....


The tali thread completely ruined tali for me. She used to be my favorite romance. That playthrough got deleted, and now i can't even romance her.

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I no doubt at times lack common sense, but I recognize that it is impossible for anyone, no matter how compelling they find their logic, to think of every possible line of reasoning or outcome. Additionally, whatever outcome is most logical there is no guarantee that is the outcome that will occur. We just won't know until ME3 or definitive info is released. My biggest concern is that ME3 will likely be either epic or epically bad. Having to go through a third round of recruiting people for a dangerous mission will push the risk more in the epically bad direction, mainly because at that point it will start to feel less like a grand science fiction saga and more like a scene from Hot Shots: Part Deux.

Michelle Huddleston: I don't know how much you know about what went on after the last war, but several of our men were missing in action. Since then on two occasions we sent in squads to rescue those men. Both missions failed. Now we have to go in to get the men who went in to get the men who went in to get the men. My job is to make sure we don't fail again.

Topper Harley: What's this got to do with me?

Colonel Denton Walters: I'm going this time.

Michelle Huddleston: We want you to go with him Topper.

Topper Harley: Why me, ma'am?

Michelle Huddleston: Because you're the best of what's left.



At this point we have to trust that Bioware will hand us the epic ending this trilogy deserves, whatever means they use to get to that point.

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I expect the Squad for ME3 to be a team of Spectres. However, I would also like to have space Morrigan.

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We all hope for the best regarding the fate of ME3, but it seems that many of us are fearing for the worst.

Yes, I'm an optimist!

I think your squad will depend on the choices you've made throughout the games in question, otherwise what would be the point of making choices if they have no impact? I'm inclined to agree that another recruiting round may well lead towards an epically bad conclusion, leaving me thinking... this again?! Boring and repetitive springs to mind at this point.
However, I recall a line from a loading screen in ME2 where it states that choices made in ME2 will have dramatic consequences in ME3. Rinse and repeat the previous reference to the point of making choices...

In short: Have some faith in Bioware, dear people.

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 09 août 2010 - 03:22 .


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krasnoarmeets wrote...

In short: Have some faith in Bioware, dear people.


This is the most imortant thing. At the end of the day, I don't care what they do. I want to see the game they want to make.

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krasnoarmeets wrote...

In short: Have some faith in Bioware, dear people.


Well, they can't do any worse than the abysmal story in ME3. They got no where else to go but up! See, I'm an optimist too!

I don't currently think any of them will be back, and I don't really care to be honest. The story of shepard and the reapers is what the trilogy is about. Your team mates are irrelevant. And the story in ME3 is bound to be amazing, so I'm not worried.

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krasnoarmeets wrote...

We all hope for the best regarding the fate of ME3, but it seems that many of us are fearing for the worst.

Yes, I'm an optimist!

I think your squad will depend on the choices you've made throughout the games in question, otherwise what would be the point of making choices if they have no impact? I'm inclined to agree that another recruiting round may well lead towards an epically bad conclusion, leaving me thinking... this again?! Boring and repetitive springs to mind at this point.
However, I recall a line from a loading screen in ME2 where it states that choices made in ME2 will have dramatic consequences in ME3. Rinse and repeat the previous reference to the point of making choices...

In short: Have some faith in Bioware, dear people.


I did.  Before ME 2.  Now I can't force myself to speculate, i'm just filled with a mild sense of trepidation whenever I try.:(

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Bluko wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Well, we could talk about our undying passion for Tali instead....


I like Garrus!

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Two squadmates from both ME1 & 2 have to be alive in everyone's games: Liara and Ash/Kaidan.

Two squadmates are needed for minimum groundteam requirement.


True enough. There is a slight possibility that they could force two ME2 characters into ME3 as squadmates based on that stipulation. Maybe like Garrus and Tali that way Bioware can at least partially avoid a total fanboy apocolypase... or maybe Legion and Grunt since there would be easy ways to recreate those characters. (Legion back-ups his data with the Geth Network, make another Grunt clone.) Even though doing so would be incredibly stupid/immersion breaking if you ask me.

I mean they kind of did that already with Conrad Verner by accident. I didn't point a gun in Conrad's face in ME1, but apparently I did...

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Oh wait though you can import your ME2 save even if you got your Shepard killed. So it still doesn't matter if you killed everyone anyways. Bah!

Damn you Optimism you unfaithful hussy when it comes to facts/reality! Oh well at least I still have you Pessism.


Er....no you can't? The devs already said you can't.

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Okay, can we stop with the "we know" garbage? No one here "knows" what they'll do with ME3. No one has "proof", no one has definitive knowledge of any sort. The closest we can get is "disputable subjective assumptions fueled by inconclusive evidence and surmising" okay? Debate your points all you want but don't act like you KNOW because you don't. Until stated by a Bioware dev, in writing, audio or video on a respectable source there is no proof either way.

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Anyway, let's focus on the topic. Now in particular what I most love about Tali is...

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Il Divo wrote...

Anyway, let's focus on the topic. Now in particular what I most love about Tali is...


Her little squeal when she gets incinerated in the engine room. Because no matter what, I won't be getting this crappy used up piece of fan service in ME3.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Anyway, let's focus on the topic. Now in particular what I most love about Tali is...


Her little squeal when she gets incinerated in the engine room. Because no matter what, I won't be getting this crappy used up piece of fan service in ME3.


Now thats just mean! :crying:

Anyway Zaeed better make a return as a big goddamn hero in ME3!

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KingDan97 wrote...

Okay, can we stop with the "we know" garbage? No one here "knows" what they'll do with ME3. No one has "proof", no one has definitive knowledge of any sort. The closest we can get is "disputable subjective assumptions fueled by inconclusive evidence and surmising" okay? Debate your points all you want but don't act like you KNOW because you don't. Until stated by a Bioware dev, in writing, audio or video on a respectable source there is no proof either way.


I think that no one here claims to "know" something, people just try to explain their theories based on "logic" which is a different thing from "knowledge".
What people are just doing here is to show what is IN THEIR OPINION the "most logic" theory, with which everyone is free to agree or not. If people should discuss things only when there is knowledge let's close every topic/forum about a game which must be released, and let's talk only about games we have already played...

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MaxQuartiroli wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Okay, can we stop with the "we know" garbage? No one here "knows" what they'll do with ME3. No one has "proof", no one has definitive knowledge of any sort. The closest we can get is "disputable subjective assumptions fueled by inconclusive evidence and surmising" okay? Debate your points all you want but don't act like you KNOW because you don't. Until stated by a Bioware dev, in writing, audio or video on a respectable source there is no proof either way.


I think that no one here claims to "know" something, people just try to explain their theories based on "logic" which is a different thing from "knowledge".
What people are just doing here is to show what is IN THEIR OPINION the "most logic" theory, with which everyone is free to agree or not. If people should discuss things only when there is knowledge let's close every topic/forum about a game which must be released, and let's talk only about games we have already played...

More directed at people like this...


Luc0s wrote...

And mine too. This is what I've been trying to say the whole time. Glad to see that there are at least some people in this thread who know what they're talking about.

I really don't understand that there are some people here who still think that BioWare is going to bring back a big portion of your ME2 crew as your ME3 squad. That's just wishful thinking and not gonna happen for all the reasons that Smoke, Bluko, Zulu and I are giving here.


I love the debate, but one person's logical sense may not be another's. It's one thing to say you disagree, because this is a debate that is to be expected. It's another entirely to say someone is "wrong" because you "know" what Bioware will do.

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KingDan97 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

And mine too. This is what I've been trying to say the whole time. Glad to see that there are at least some people in this thread who know what they're talking about.

I really don't understand that there are some people here who still think that BioWare is going to bring back a big portion of your ME2 crew as your ME3 squad. That's just wishful thinking and not gonna happen for all the reasons that Smoke, Bluko, Zulu and I are giving here.


I love the debate, but one person's logical sense may not be another's. It's one thing to say you disagree, because this is a debate that is to be expected. It's another entirely to say someone is "wrong" because you "know" what Bioware will do.


I'm not saying that I know what BioWare will do. I merely say that it's much more likely that BioWare will give your ME2 squad the "Wrex in ME2 -treatment". I'm just amazed with how far-fetched theories some people can come up here on how BioWare could/would/should bring back the ME2 characters in your ME3 squad.

I don't say to know anything, but based on my exprience with BioWare's ME1 & ME2, based on my experience as a game-designer and based on my own logic, I give it a fat chance the ME2 characters will return in your ME3 squad. They'll be Wrex-like cameos or Liara-DLC-like* temporary squad members at the most.

*assuming that Liara indeed will join your squad during the Shadow Broker's lair mission in her upcomming DLC.

Modifié par Luc0s, 09 août 2010 - 09:11 .


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i want chuck norris in ME3

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Luc0s wrote...

I'm not saying that I know what BioWare will do. I merely say that it's much more likely that BioWare will give your ME2 squad the "Wrex in ME2 -treatment". I'm just amazed with how far-fetched theories some people can come up here on how BioWare could/would/should bring back the ME2 characters in your ME3 squad.

I don't say to know anything, but based on my exprience with BioWare's ME1 & ME2, based on my experience as a game-designer and based on my own logic, I give it a fat chance the ME2 characters will return in your ME3 squad. They'll be Wrex-like cameos or Liara-DLC-like* temporary squad members at the most.

*assuming that Liara indeed will join your squad during the Shadow Broker's lair mission in her upcomming DLC.


Agreed. As for pulling a Lazarus on the dead party members, as someone mentioned, I think it would be a cop-out (logical inconsistencies aside - would Cerberus spend billions for, say, Tali or Garrus?) and cheapen the whole point of the suicide mission.

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Luc0s wrote...


1. I'm not saying that I know what BioWare will do.

2. *assuming that Liara indeed will join your squad during the Shadow Broker's lair mission in her upcomming DLC.


1. Um, yeah that's kind of what you were saying up there. 
2. She's not joining your squad. She goes back to illium after the sidequest.

-Polite

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Luc0s wrote...


1. I'm not saying that I know what BioWare will do.

2. *assuming that Liara indeed will join your squad during the Shadow Broker's lair mission in her upcomming DLC.


1. Um, yeah that's kind of what you were saying up there. 
2. She's not joining your squad. She goes back to illium after the sidequest.

-Polite


1. That's also kind of what you were saying up there, so your friend with that annoying flickering portrait might as well consider quoting a couple of your posts as an example of unwanted "I know, I got proof" stuff.

2. Which is kinda the whole point. He thinks (and I was thinking a while ago), that it's possible that ME2 companions in ME3 will be joining Shepard's crew temporarily for a mission or two, then return to their "stations", like Liara in the LotSB.

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KingDan97 wrote...

Okay, can we stop with the "we know" garbage? No one here "knows" what they'll do with ME3. No one has "proof", no one has definitive knowledge of any sort. The closest we can get is "disputable subjective assumptions fueled by inconclusive evidence and surmising" okay? Debate your points all you want but don't act like you KNOW because you don't. Until stated by a Bioware dev, in writing, audio or video on a respectable source there is no proof either way.

Do you know how science works? Science makes predictions and tests assumptions. If there was a guy standing around saying, "Yeah, but you don't really KNOW! God didn't tell you!" who wasn't immediately punched in the face, we'd still be in the stone age.

Between ME1 and ME2, we have the Rosetta Stone for deciphering the rest of the series. Like all scientific theories, it represents the best model for what we can expect. Now, if you want to dismiss the actual Rosetta Stone and say, "You Egyptologists don't KNOW what hyeroglyphs mean. They might have changed everything after the Rosetta Stone was made."  -- that is your right. But don't be surprised when a fist connects with your face.

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SmokePants wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Okay, can we stop with the "we know" garbage? No one here "knows" what they'll do with ME3. No one has "proof", no one has definitive knowledge of any sort. The closest we can get is "disputable subjective assumptions fueled by inconclusive evidence and surmising" okay? Debate your points all you want but don't act like you KNOW because you don't. Until stated by a Bioware dev, in writing, audio or video on a respectable source there is no proof either way.

Do you know how science works? Science makes predictions and tests assumptions. If there was a guy standing around saying, "Yeah, but you don't really KNOW! God didn't tell you!" who wasn't immediately punched in the face, we'd still be in the stone age.

Between ME1 and ME2, we have the Rosetta Stone for deciphering the rest of the series. Like all scientific theories, it represents the best model for what we can expect. Now, if you want to dismiss the actual Rosetta Stone and say, "You Egyptologists don't KNOW what hyeroglyphs mean. They might have changed everything after the Rosetta Stone was made."  -- that is your right. But don't be surprised when a fist connects with your face.


You can't predict how Mass 3 will play out based on what happened from Mass 1 - 2. You just can't. You talk about science and logic, you obviously don't know how to think logically. I can't seriously believe your still on this. :pinched:

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Tighue wrote...

Throw in squaddies voiced by Edward James Olmos

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I would KILL for a turian general that sounds like Martin Castillo from Miami Vice.