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[glacier1701]

stewie1974 wrote...


 Some new arguements on why Shepard is integral..

 Let me say that you at least came up with a new angle on this rather than just repeat old stuff. For that you do have my respect because it does mean you have thought a lot before posting. However I will point out one fact and it is one that others have fallen over in the past so you are not alone in this regard. Shepard did NOT kill a Reaper. All Shepard did was kill Saren and whatever he metamorphised into. It was the 7th Fleet that killed Sovereign. So the claim that Shepard killed a Reaper is not valid and really cannot be used as an arguement to say that Shepard is integral to the game. Without really seeing how the news vids play it it does seem likely that in public while the distinction is made people make the assumption that Shepard did the killing but it still does come down to the fact that Sovereign was outside the Council Chambers while Shepard was inside and Shepard did not fire a single shot at Sovereign.

[Harley_Dude]

Joker killed Sovereign.

[xlavaina]

Archereon wrote...

So, the fact that this thread is stickied pretty much confirms no ME2 squadmates will return?

Err no. The title of the thread is "Squad Composition of ME3- A discussion". Meaning we will discuss the squad that could be in ME3. There have been varying opinions on who is going to be in it; but I think it would be pretty stupid of Bioware to throw out all the squad members in ME2 for new ones in ME3. Honestly, I really doubt thats going to happen. 

[golak]

xlavaina wrote...

Archereon wrote...

So, the fact that this thread is stickied pretty much confirms no ME2 squadmates will return?

Err no. The title of the thread is "Squad Composition of ME3- A discussion". Meaning we will discuss the squad that could be in ME3. There have been varying opinions on who is going to be in it; but I think it would be pretty stupid of Bioware to throw out all the squad members in ME2 for new ones in ME3. Honestly, I really doubt thats going to happen. 

yeah it whould just ruin the games theres no trilogy in this if u replace squad members in all 3 games but im really sure ash/kaiden and most of ME2 (if not all) will join u ones more in ME3 even if u "saved" the collector base

[stewie1974]

Shepard has the rep of reaper killer, wether or not he actually hands on throttled soverign himself is irrelevent.



His reputation as a reaper killer has earned the unwanted affections of the reapers themselves. Shepard is the only person Harbringer addresses by name directly. The reapers know of shepards reputation, and while they know the little fleshly being can't beat up a space ship with his bare hands, they do have reason to want to go after him..... Hell they wanted to buy shep's body from the shadow broker...



The dialouge throughout the game makes it clear and evident that the collectors under harbringers directions are targeting shepard himself.



The role shepard plays in the game is that as TIM's bait... Shepard dosn't know he's bait.



Are the collectors playing TIM or is TIM playing the collectors.... again I refrence the name.... The ILLUSIVE man.



There are indeed a lot of questions left unanswered from ME2, but that's because it's the "middle" of an epic....though ME1 did have its own story resolution so did star wars a new hope...... the empire strikes back was the middle leaving lots of unanswerd questions .....



I think when ME3 comes out , you'll see exactly what ME2 was all about.... don't expect it to stand alone as a story , it's not a stand alone story ...its the middle chapter which throws up all the questions for you.



I believe we'll find that TIM is serious bussiness in part 3.



Back to the topic of the thread....I doubt all the characters will return for the final chapter.



My guesses on who's gone.



I think Thane is a goner because of his condition.

I think mordin is a goner because of the short salerian life span.... he might be "too old" come part 3.

I think Jack is a goner because she is wreckless.



Zaeed and Kasumi, awesome characters both, but really just DLC..... so , yeah not supported.



Who Stays..



Garrus and Tali are pretty much gauranteed to stay , as you don't have them for two episodes only.



Ashley and Kaiden.....will be at the expense of Miranda or Jacob, as honestly they are all as entertaining as watching paint dry.... and all four of them available to play would be dullsville, but shep does need a human love interest.



You need your token krogen... so grunt is likely to return but not wrex as he's too busy..

You need your token asari , samara has her code, morinth can't be trusted, i reckon its liria again though as new shadowbroker ...unlikely, though why she became intell after a life of archeology is beyond me....



So new characters are likely to be those who fill the unfilled class.... you'll need an infiltrator if thane and kasumi are gone..... garrus remains soilder, tali remains engineer... so who's left on the class wheel to fill?



hell maybe the idea of ME2 was to give you a list of "scum" like team mates... so when ME3 comes along.... and you are paragon or renegade.... you can chose nice shiney allience bores...or scum of the galaxy / disgraced team mates.... as I'm sure ME3 is going to make you chose Allience or Scum..

[xlavaina]

I agree with the above post. However, Mordin is only thirty and has another good ten years to live.

[stewie1974]

Bioware says he's 50



under the quick facts......http://masseffect.bioware.com/universe/squad/mordin/



though the wiki says he was born in 2150 which would make him 35...

[A.N.A.N]

stewie1974 wrote...

Bioware says he's 50

under the quick facts......http://masseffect.bioware.com/universe/squad/mordin/

though the wiki says he was born in 2150 which would make him 35...

Th ages given on the official site are inaccuate, as confirmed by Christina Norman. The way it was explained is th  Mordin is the equivalent of a 50-year-old human, not a 50-year-old salarian

[xlavaina]

Mordin is definitely not 50 (salarian years) according to ME wiki. I think Mordin will return because logically there is nobody that could potentially replace him in the series. (ex: Liara can replace Samara, Wrex/Wreav replace Grunt, KoLOLOLOLOLyat replace Thane though its never going to happen)

[pjotroos]

Mordin is definitely not 50 (salarian years) according to ME wiki. I think Mordin will return because logically there is nobody that could potentially replace him in the series. (ex: Liara can replace Samara, Wrex/Wreav replace Grunt, KoLOLOLOLOLyat replace Thane though its never going to happen)

I seriously don't get arguments like that. How's angsty teenager a replacement for trained assassin? If the mission with Kolyat shown anything is that he's still pretty innocent, and really uneffective at killing people. And Wreav is xenophobic, and traditionalist to the boot. If the current team members do get replaced, sure enough their next of kin are not at the start of queue.

Modifié par pjotroos, 04 septembre 2010 - 12:35 .

[xlavaina]

pjotroos wrote...

Mordin is definitely not 50 (salarian years) according to ME wiki. I think Mordin will return because logically there is nobody that could potentially replace him in the series. (ex: Liara can replace Samara, Wrex/Wreav replace Grunt, KoLOLOLOLOLyat replace Thane though its never going to happen)

I seriously don't get arguments like that. How's angsty teenager a replacement for trained assassin? If the mission with Kolyat shown anything is that he's still pretty innocent, and really uneffective at killing people. And Wreav is xenophobic, and traditionalist to the boot. If the current team members do get replaced, sure enough their next of kin are not at the start of queue.

It was mostly a joke, pretty much to show that most of the characters probably aren't going to be replaced.

[Jaron Oberyn]

smudboy wrote...

xlavaina wrote...
Smudboy and whoever is arguing with him, has it ever occurred to either of you that you might both be right?

That's like saying blue is blue and not blue.  So no, I don't think that ever occurred to me, unless you provide sufficient context and supporting evidence.

And what evidence have you provided? Or that's righ, absolutely nothing at all. All your going on is your narrow minded opinion. While I find it amusing, your starting to sound even more hypocritical by making statements like the one above. Why? Because you have yet to show any evidence to support your claim. While the opposing side, especially me, have provided more than sufficient sources to validate our argument. Ranging from videos, to interviews, to developer comments. But anyways, back to the show.

-Polite

[smudboy]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

smudboy wrote...

xlavaina wrote...
Smudboy and whoever is arguing with him, has it ever occurred to either of you that you might both be right?

That's like saying blue is blue and not blue.  So no, I don't think that ever occurred to me, unless you provide sufficient context and supporting evidence.

And what evidence have you provided? Or that's righ, absolutely nothing at all. All your going on is your narrow minded opinion. While I find it amusing, your starting to sound even more hypocritical by making statements like the one above. Why? Because you have yet to show any evidence to support your claim. While the opposing side, especially me, have provided more than sufficient sources to validate our argument. Ranging from videos, to interviews, to developer comments. But anyways, back to the show.

-Polite

And if you actually read what I wrote, let alone understood it, let alone followed the argument, you'll find we're not discussing Squad Composition, but the plot integrity of Shepard in ME2.

But of course, all your sufficient sources on plot integrity, videos and interviews and developer comments on the matter completely negate every single one of my comments (that you've yet to read, let alone comprehend.)

[xlavaina]

Guys common... enough already... Lets get back on topic. Squad composition of ME3.

[Gravenpain]

xlavaina wrote...

Archereon wrote...

So, the fact that this thread is stickied pretty much confirms no ME2 squadmates will return?

Err no. The title of the thread is "Squad Composition of ME3- A discussion". Meaning we will discuss the squad that could be in ME3. There have been varying opinions on who is going to be in it; but I think it would be pretty stupid of Bioware to throw out all the squad members in ME2 for new ones in ME3. Honestly, I really doubt thats going to happen. 

I completely agree. Because this is an RPG reintroducing new squadmates means more time invested into character depth and development. This time would be better spent on the progress and integrity (which may well satisfy Smudboy) of the story. Maybe not all of our squadmates will return in ME3 but I hope the majority of them will. It's hard to predict primarily because of the Suicide Mission. We'll have to see.

[xlavaina]

Gravenpain wrote...

xlavaina wrote...

Archereon wrote...

So, the fact that this thread is stickied pretty much confirms no ME2 squadmates will return?

Err no. The title of the thread is "Squad Composition of ME3- A discussion". Meaning we will discuss the squad that could be in ME3. There have been varying opinions on who is going to be in it; but I think it would be pretty stupid of Bioware to throw out all the squad members in ME2 for new ones in ME3. Honestly, I really doubt thats going to happen. 

I completely agree. Because this is an RPG reintroducing new squadmates means more time invested into character depth and development. This time would be better spent on the progress and integrity (which may well satisfy Smudboy) of the story. Maybe not all of our squadmates will return in ME3 but I hope the majority of them will. It's hard to predict primarily because of the Suicide Mission. We'll have to see.

Yeah this is exactly what I'm thinking too. I don't want Bioware to waste months of development time designing brand new characters. I would rather they put those resources towards blowing me away with the main story, and having my squad members from the last game by my side. Not only does this make sense from a plot standpoint, but its also much more reasonable for Bioware to do this financially and time wise. Unfortunately, it is probably inevitable that we're going to lose some, whether in the suicide mission or to cameos, and we're just going to have to accept that, but I really don't want any more new characters or any more new dossier missions. 

[glacier1701]

xlavaina wrote...

Gravenpain wrote...

xlavaina wrote...

Archereon wrote...

So, the fact that this thread is stickied pretty much confirms no ME2 squadmates will return?

Err no. The title of the thread is "Squad Composition of ME3- A discussion". Meaning we will discuss the squad that could be in ME3. There have been varying opinions on who is going to be in it; but I think it would be pretty stupid of Bioware to throw out all the squad members in ME2 for new ones in ME3. Honestly, I really doubt thats going to happen. 

I completely agree. Because this is an RPG reintroducing new squadmates means more time invested into character depth and development. This time would be better spent on the progress and integrity (which may well satisfy Smudboy) of the story. Maybe not all of our squadmates will return in ME3 but I hope the majority of them will. It's hard to predict primarily because of the Suicide Mission. We'll have to see.

Yeah this is exactly what I'm thinking too. I don't want Bioware to waste months of development time designing brand new characters. I would rather they put those resources towards blowing me away with the main story, and having my squad members from the last game by my side. Not only does this make sense from a plot standpoint, but its also much more reasonable for Bioware to do this financially and time wise. Unfortunately, it is probably inevitable that we're going to lose some, whether in the suicide mission or to cameos, and we're just going to have to accept that, but I really don't want any more new characters or any more new dossier missions. 

Unfortunately MOST of the resources that you say would go into new characters will still have to go into old characters as well. ME3 has to cater to that person who picks up the game as their introduction to the series. Indeed there is a good arguement to be said in that reintroducing old characters is harder to do since you have to both cater to the new player AND the old player and come up with options to satisfy both. In the case of new characters its the same for old and new players so only the one path to follow. You must also remember that Casey Hudson (you know the person in charge of ME development) has said that players like new characters (not sure where he gets that from considering the various character threads on these forums) and it is his opinion that matters (he does seem to think that the problem areas are not actually problems but the fault of players for not playing the game the way that they designed it i.e. mining). 

LotSB will at least give us an idea of how BW is thinking about the future. Have they listened to what we've said here on the boards both positively and negatively? From the previews it does seem that they have moved away from the combat intensity they had in ME2 and are providing more RPG. It appears to be a step in the right direction but the 7th will dawn and it will show us exactly what BW thinks is important. 

[xlavaina]

Agreed, and I did read that interview with Hudson about how we all like new squad members. This is true, and it's quite possible that only two or three squad members from ME2 will make it into ME3. Bioware will definitely hurt a large portion of their fan base by doing this, but theoretically, it could also add more new people to the fan base. I like new characters too, but the job they did on transitioning Tali and Garrus to ME2 was phenomenal, and I personally hope they do it again. But then there's the suicide mission... BW definitely dug a hole for themselves. A really deep hole.

[Wraith_of_Dawn]

Really, in my opinion, it all depends on how well they pull of a new squad if they bring one. I don't want an entirely new one, but if it happens, and the characters are as awesome as the new ME2 ones, I will be happy.



At least I hope. I played ME1 before ME2, so really, the only character I missed was Wrex, everyone else was either Dead, pointless, or annoying. But to put the (minimal) effort to keep at least some your squad alive only to have them Cameoed seems pointless.



For now, my official stance is neutral.

[kyle924]

Same here.



I mean, they can do so much with choosing new species or familiar species with a different class and abilities, how their personality traits are, where they come from, etc. I guess I'd have to speculate until then.



However, I would like touch base on the roster of ME 3. In my opinion, I agree with Xlavaina's possibility of having 2 or 3 squad members and the fact that it does make an extremely deep hole for fans of Tali, Garrus, and more. But wouldn't it be also agreeable to have 4 squad members rather than 2 or 3? I mean, everytime I look at the ending of ME 2, Shepard looks and sees 4 separate squad members in the cockpit.



Which leads to something else. Let's say you and every squad member survived in ME 2 and there was a new squad in ME 3 (max roster would be 18, for ex.) How would that work? Would there be an integrated system where choosing one squad member over another can also portray a bigger role for leading an army? Or would it be for betrayal?



And I AM sure now that if you play ME 3 for the first time, these 4 squad members in the beginning WILL be Garrus, Jack, Grunt, and Legion. My question is this - do you agree?



Comments?

[smudboy]

kyle924 wrote...
And I AM sure now that if you play ME 3 for the first time, these 4 squad members in the beginning WILL be Garrus, Jack, Grunt, and Legion. My question is this - do you agree?

No.

You are sure of nothing.

Those 4 members will not be there in the beginning.

For completely obvious reasons.

[Harley_Dude]

It would be unusual but how about they start the game with Shepard having to choose two companions for some type of covert mission. You need a minimum of two living companions to survive the collector base mission and Bioware has told us only surviving Shepards can be imported into ME3. If the interaction with these 2 squad members is like Zaeed then no worries about dialog.

[xlavaina]

smudboy wrote...

kyle924 wrote...
And I AM sure now that if you play ME 3 for the first time, these 4 squad members in the beginning WILL be Garrus, Jack, Grunt, and Legion. My question is this - do you agree?

No.

You are sure of nothing.

Those 4 members will not be there in the beginning.

For completely obvious reasons.

I'm sorry I don't agree either. I have a feeling that if Bioware decides to implement new characters they'll be the ones to greet you and make their introduction, followed by you old friends if they survived / if BW decides to keep them. I can almost guarantee that your old squad is not going to greet you if BW decides to implement new characters. However, if Bioware makes you stick with your old squad (or whoever survived) then they might greet you. It is impossible to be sure though, all we can do is speculate... 

[TomY90]

I think about 2 ME2 characters (miranda and jacob) and 2 ME1 (kaiden/ashley) aswell as 2ME1/ME2 (Tali (if she is exiled) and Garrus)

The rest will make appearances or not at all in thanes case due that he might be dead.

We are forgetting aswell there was hints that some ME2 minor characters like Aria and the detective on the Citadel could be squad members in ME3

sorry to the fans of the other characters but we sadly have to look at the plot and these are the most likely to be squad members

Modifié par TomY90, 05 septembre 2010 - 12:15 .

[kyle924]

smudboy wrote...

kyle924 wrote...
And I AM sure now that if you play ME 3 for the first time, these 4 squad members in the beginning WILL be Garrus, Jack, Grunt, and Legion. My question is this - do you agree?

No.

You are sure of nothing.

Those 4 members will not be there in the beginning.

For completely obvious reasons.

FINALLY! Somebody who can argue about this! Because I wouldn't choose want Jack ever.

So, what's your take on this? Which 2-4 SM's would you think would be at the beginning? Which ones would you rather take?

Modifié par kyle924, 05 septembre 2010 - 12:16 .