Squad Composition of ME3- A discussion
#2051
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 12:20
#2052
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 12:32
You're mean Bailey from the Citadel, right? Hmm - didn't think of him before.TomY90 wrote...
I think about 2 ME2 characters (miranda and jacob) and 2 ME1 (kaiden/ashley) aswell as 2ME1/ME2 (Tali (if she is exiled) and Garrus)
The rest will make appearances or not at all in thanes case due that he might be dead.
We are forgetting aswell there was hints that some ME2 minor characters like Aria and the detective on the Citadel could be squad members in ME3
sorry to the fans of the other characters but we sadly have to look at the plot and these are the most likely to be squad members
And I don't enjoy these special appearances from squad members. I say you can have a choice between one (quarian, like Tali, for ex.) and another (quarian, like Kal), but if you still have room on the Normandy (whether or not another Normandy will be destroyed is entirely unknown), you can take both. But there would be a roster limit. Who you would choose to be in your squad (LI and loyalty from ME 1 & 2 included) is up to you (depending on whether you killed 13 or not in the events leading to ME 3 and if you survived). That - I hope - can play a major role in making the story your own.
#2053
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 12:33
#2054
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 12:36
On to the other conversation...Miranda and Jacob? I wouldn't lean toward having Cerberus agents survive.
#2055
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 03:14
I give thumbs up for Aria as a squad member. She was way more intriguing than Samara. I even liked the Matriach bartender better.
#2056
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 03:25
Anyway yes thumbs up to Aria. If BW decides to introduce a few new squad members, Carrie Ann Moss is a REALLY good idea.
#2057
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 05:26
I'm not entirely sure if that would happen, but xlavaina's right. Every squad member is supposed to be loyal (if loyal) enough to him/her and remain neutral to follow his lead in the coming of the Reapers.
Speaking of SM's, Aria would be a great choice. But I've got a few - what about Aleena (uncredited) - that Asari that Wrex respected in ME 1? Shiala or Sha'ira? Possible NPC or SM?
#2058
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 12:35
smudboy wrote...
PoliteAssasin wrote...
smudboy wrote...
That's like saying blue is blue and not blue. So no, I don't think that ever occurred to me, unless you provide sufficient context and supporting evidence.xlavaina wrote...
Smudboy and whoever is arguing with him, has it ever occurred to either of you that you might both be right?
And what evidence have you provided? Or that's righ, absolutely nothing at all. All your going on is your narrow minded opinion. While I find it amusing, your starting to sound even more hypocritical by making statements like the one above. Why? Because you have yet to show any evidence to support your claim. While the opposing side, especially me, have provided more than sufficient sources to validate our argument. Ranging from videos, to interviews, to developer comments. But anyways, back to the show.
-Polite
And if you actually read what I wrote, let alone understood it, let alone followed the argument, you'll find we're not discussing Squad Composition, but the plot integrity of Shepard in ME2.
But of course, all your sufficient sources on plot integrity, videos and interviews and developer comments on the matter completely negate every single one of my comments (that you've yet to read, let alone comprehend.)
And you've still provided no evidence to support your claims. Boy this is getting old isn't it? Where your from, a random claim may be taken as fact, but where I'm from, it wouldn't stand for crap unless you have something to support it. You have nothing. End of discussion. Once again you've failed at participating in a discussion.
-Polite
#2059
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 01:04
Please be specific. What claims exactly? I've demonstrated proof on everything I've written.PoliteAssasin wrote...
smudboy wrote...
PoliteAssasin wrote...
smudboy wrote...
That's like saying blue is blue and not blue. So no, I don't think that ever occurred to me, unless you provide sufficient context and supporting evidence.xlavaina wrote...
Smudboy and whoever is arguing with him, has it ever occurred to either of you that you might both be right?
And what evidence have you provided? Or that's righ, absolutely nothing at all. All your going on is your narrow minded opinion. While I find it amusing, your starting to sound even more hypocritical by making statements like the one above. Why? Because you have yet to show any evidence to support your claim. While the opposing side, especially me, have provided more than sufficient sources to validate our argument. Ranging from videos, to interviews, to developer comments. But anyways, back to the show.
-Polite
And if you actually read what I wrote, let alone understood it, let alone followed the argument, you'll find we're not discussing Squad Composition, but the plot integrity of Shepard in ME2.
But of course, all your sufficient sources on plot integrity, videos and interviews and developer comments on the matter completely negate every single one of my comments (that you've yet to read, let alone comprehend.)
And you've still provided no evidence to support your claims. Boy this is getting old isn't it? Where your from, a random claim may be taken as fact, but where I'm from, it wouldn't stand for crap unless you have something to support it. You have nothing. End of discussion. Once again you've failed at participating in a discussion.
-Polite
You also still can't use the word "your" properly.
All the references you've made have been completely refuted and made you look like a moron. But I don't call you that. At least not yet, because right now you're just Mr. Angry Let's Bug smudboy again Because I Have No Life.
How's that Cristina Norman email coming?
The only thing we're doing is headbutting, and you're unable to understand a word I've written, yet I've been consistently able to argue with everything you've put down.
Face it. Either grow up, learn how to argue, or stop bugging me. You're adding nothing to this conversation.
#2060
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 01:20
kyle924 wrote...
You're mean Bailey from the Citadel, right? Hmm - didn't think of him before.TomY90 wrote...
I think about 2 ME2 characters (miranda and jacob) and 2 ME1 (kaiden/ashley) aswell as 2ME1/ME2 (Tali (if she is exiled) and Garrus)
The rest will make appearances or not at all in thanes case due that he might be dead.
We are forgetting aswell there was hints that some ME2 minor characters like Aria and the detective on the Citadel could be squad members in ME3
sorry to the fans of the other characters but we sadly have to look at the plot and these are the most likely to be squad members
And I don't enjoy these special appearances from squad members. I say you can have a choice between one (quarian, like Tali, for ex.) and another (quarian, like Kal), but if you still have room on the Normandy (whether or not another Normandy will be destroyed is entirely unknown), you can take both. But there would be a roster limit. Who you would choose to be in your squad (LI and loyalty from ME 1 & 2 included) is up to you (depending on whether you killed 13 or not in the events leading to ME 3 and if you survived). That - I hope - can play a major role in making the story your own.
Really, I enjoyed the special appearances. Meeting Wrex. It made sense to find him trying to help his people again and i liked the idea that he had decided taking the responsibility was worth it.
If they set up ME3 like ME2 I do want to come across, or hear from, anyone who survived the mission to see how surviving the suicide effected them and decisions they made about their future. Tali joining the admiralty board and depending on how you resolved the Tali-Legion conflict she is ether working to bring peace between Geth and Quarians or working to destroy them. I want to know.
And if we have to recruit new crew it would be great if Shepard has had contact with in the past, even if just briefly. Lt Girard, Gianna Parasin, guessing it has to be someone who couldn't have died so as much as I'd like Kal Reegar, - not holding my breath. Liked Bailey but got the idea he wanted to retire soon. (might be putting my wishes onto him though)
Really hoping though, that they will do it more like they did with Kaidan and Ash, where whoever died had a blank space and the survivor was still with you, so if your ME2 crew member died, you would have an empty slot but if they survived they would either be with you or you could go recruit them.
"But there would be a roster limit. Who you would choose to be in your squad (LI and loyalty from ME 1 & 2 included) is up to you (depending on whether you killed 13 or not in the events leading to ME 3 and if you survived). " Like the idea of a roster limit and also being able to recruit who I want to have on the team.
I'd be fine with having to finish ME3 with 5 crewmemebers - Kaidan/Ash, Liara, 2 from ME2 and Joker. Or with all of my crew in the games I didn't lose anyone. Sort of drooling thinking of how many games I have saved and the different crew who survived. This would be pretty cool for me anyway. A lot of work for BW.
More than anything, I want my ME 2 game choices to mean something, If in a game I'm bringing over most of the crew died, then that's what I want to work with in ME3. It's what makes this an interesting/fun game. At least for me.
And at least one great ending that doesn't depress me, (hoping for more than one ending), They can bury my body with the trilogy when I die a happy gamer.
edit - took out some I's, not enough, but some.
Modifié par mopotter, 05 septembre 2010 - 01:28 .
#2061
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 01:21
#2062
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 01:30
smudboy wrote...
Please be specific. What claims exactly? I've demonstrated proof on everything I've written.PoliteAssasin wrote...
smudboy wrote...
PoliteAssasin wrote...
smudboy wrote...
That's like saying blue is blue and not blue. So no, I don't think that ever occurred to me, unless you provide sufficient context and supporting evidence.xlavaina wrote...
Smudboy and whoever is arguing with him, has it ever occurred to either of you that you might both be right?
And what evidence have you provided? Or that's righ, absolutely nothing at all. All your going on is your narrow minded opinion. While I find it amusing, your starting to sound even more hypocritical by making statements like the one above. Why? Because you have yet to show any evidence to support your claim. While the opposing side, especially me, have provided more than sufficient sources to validate our argument. Ranging from videos, to interviews, to developer comments. But anyways, back to the show.
-Polite
And if you actually read what I wrote, let alone understood it, let alone followed the argument, you'll find we're not discussing Squad Composition, but the plot integrity of Shepard in ME2.
But of course, all your sufficient sources on plot integrity, videos and interviews and developer comments on the matter completely negate every single one of my comments (that you've yet to read, let alone comprehend.)
And you've still provided no evidence to support your claims. Boy this is getting old isn't it? Where your from, a random claim may be taken as fact, but where I'm from, it wouldn't stand for crap unless you have something to support it. You have nothing. End of discussion. Once again you've failed at participating in a discussion.
-Polite
You also still can't use the word "your" properly.
All the references you've made have been completely refuted and made you look like a moron. But I don't call you that. At least not yet, because right now you're just Mr. Angry Let's Bug smudboy again Because I Have No Life.
How's that Cristina Norman email coming?
The only thing we're doing is headbutting, and you're unable to understand a word I've written, yet I've been consistently able to argue with everything you've put down.
Face it. Either grow up, learn how to argue, or stop bugging me. You're adding nothing to this conversation.
Kid, your nothing but talk. You have yet to show proof of any claims you've made. I can go throughout this thread and pull up every claim + piece of evidence I used to back it up. As for it being refuted, refuted by whom? You? That's hardly anything. If anyone is a moron, it's you. Why? Because you state your opinion as fact. Don't try to act all civilized now, because you have resorted to the less than tasteful tactics of insulting people when you know they have a stronger argument than you. You haven't argued with anything I've written. You either completely ignore it because you know you have no counter argument, or you employ your overused phrase "what are you trying to say?".
Stop trying to act mature when your posts clearly show otherwise. You've still yet to show your proof of game design knowledge, from page marker 53 I believe. Scratch that, you haven't shown proof of anything. Except your ridiculous videos that you try to pass off as fact in an argument.
So you say I've shown proof yet it's been refuted, and you've shown proof that wasn't? Then I'll go throughout this thread and post every piece of evidence I've found + my argument to go with it, and you do the same. Although that's going to be hard for you huh? Since you haven't posted a strong argument, just your narrow minded opinions.
-Polite
#2063
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 01:49
#2064
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 01:52
Modifié par Wraith_of_Dawn, 05 septembre 2010 - 01:52 .
#2065
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 01:57
You know what? You're very right about that. Take the personal argument to PM as well.Wraith_of_Dawn wrote...
From all of seen in these last few posts is smudboy and Polite bickering like children.At least post something that isn't 'I am right you are wrong get over it.'
#2066
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 02:03
1. This is a forum.PoliteAssasin wrote...
Kid, your nothing but talk.
2. I've quoted other peoples comments (Casey). I guess that's nothing but talk from the producer, too.
3. Your. "You're". Not your. "You're". As in "you are." As in "Kid, you are nothing but talk." Learn. Learn goddamit, you grade school dropout.
ME2 is my proof, as that set the example of how plot integrity works, as is ME1. There's Casey to support getting new characters claim, and there's ME2 to support how imports deal with crew death.You have yet to show proof of any claims you've made.
I'm glad you find that being proven wrong is hardly anything. Considering you are colossally wrong.I can go throughout this thread and pull up every claim + piece of evidence I used to back it up. As for it being refuted, refuted by whom? You? That's hardly anything.
Also, it has been several months, and you still haven't figured out the proper use of the word your. At this point, I don't think you're stupid, but there's simply a language barrier.
If they had a stronger argument, they'd use completely tasteful tactics and constantly and consistently prove me wrong. I only resort to name calling when the name matches exactly what they've become, or they started it.If anyone is a moron, it's you. Why? Because you state your opinion as fact. Don't try to act all civilized now, because you have resorted to the less than tasteful tactics of insulting people when you know they have a stronger argument than you.
And yet here I am, replying to everything you write, quoting, referencing, etc. How exactly would you want me to argue?You haven't argued with anything I've written. You either completely ignore it because you know you have no counter argument, or you employ your overused phrase "what are you trying to say?".
I might be asking "what you're trying to say" a lot, because most of the time, I don't understand you. Might be that language thing.
If they're so ridiculous, then argue them.Stop trying to act mature when your posts clearly show otherwise. You've still yet to show your proof of game design knowledge, from page marker 53 I believe. Scratch that, you haven't shown proof of anything. Except your ridiculous videos that you try to pass off as fact in an argument.
What proof of game design knowledge is indicative to which of my arguments?
That would take too long, and really, it's not necessary, since you're just arguing "I'm Me and my Ego is Awesome."So you say I've shown proof yet it's been refuted, and you've shown proof that wasn't? Then I'll go throughout this thread and post every piece of evidence I've found + my argument to go with it, and you do the same. Although that's going to be hard for you huh? Since you haven't posted a strong argument, just your narrow minded opinions.
I still believe that camoes are going to be the best showcase of returning squadmates.
I still believe that Mordin was the only plot integral squadmate in ME2. This is evidenced by the plot of ME2 (or lackthereof, whichever stance on storytelling you take.)
#2067
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 02:10
I too thought the cameo placeholder of Wrex and Wreav were handled well.mopotter wrote...
Really, I enjoyed the special appearances. Meeting Wrex. It made sense to find him trying to help his people again and i liked the idea that he had decided taking the responsibility was worth it.
It definitely seems like Tali would be setup for that. Although it would be quote fitting to see her jump ship and join Shepard due to politics/love/the Reaper threat.If they set up ME3 like ME2 I do want to come across, or hear from, anyone who survived the mission to see how surviving the suicide effected them and decisions they made about their future. Tali joining the admiralty board and depending on how you resolved the Tali-Legion conflict she is ether working to bring peace between Geth and Quarians or working to destroy them. I want to know.
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I agree. Little homages and cameos for the huge list of characters present, while still providing plot relevant characters that "are picked up along the way" as squadmates. The whole death issue rears it's ugly head even with side characters.And if we have to recruit new crew it would be great if Shepard has had contact with in the past, even if just briefly. Lt Girard, Gianna Parasin, guessing it has to be someone who couldn't have died so as much as I'd like Kal Reegar, - not holding my breath. Liked Bailey but got the idea he wanted to retire soon. (might be putting my wishes onto him though)
The concept of a cameo, or even a cameo placeholder for plot events, would be an excellent idea. The question becomes who reaplces who (Tali? Garrus? Jack?), and why.Really hoping though, that they will do it more like they did with Kaidan and Ash, where whoever died had a blank space and the survivor was still with you, so if your ME2 crew member died, you would have an empty slot but if they survived they would either be with you or you could go recruit them.
The previous idea which sounds inviting involves plot relevant events with a variety of characters, who may join temporarily, or act as a handler/optional handler (I keep thinking back to that image of Liara in LOTSB and how Alpha Protocol dealt with who likes you, and who you get to choose to help you on missions.)
#2068
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 02:14
#2069
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 02:16
#2070
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 02:28
glacier1701 wrote...
From the 3 LotSB previews we have it does appear that some 'threads' about how ME3 will play out are introduced though we might not see them that way. It does appear that we can expect at least 1 more bridging DLC and that that one will be more concrete in what we can expect in ME3. Looking at time frames and such and despite what press releases have said my own feeling is that ME3 is a 2011 release (close to the end of the year) and that most of 2011 will be in working on the final details. I think the reaction from LotSB and the next bridging DLC will determine what will happen in ME3. That is even with a 'plot' sketched in if we hate parts or all of the content coming up they'll change everything. We've seen that kind of change in the past with previews of bits of ME2 and how they were supposed to work but come game release were completely different in what they did. It is unfortunate but I am seeing in other companies this tendency to change at the drop of a hat their plans to try to cash in on trends and I am not sure that that is a good thing.
I think there will be more than one additional bridging DLc. Bioware stated that they will continue to release a steady stream of DLC up until Mass 3's release. If it's going to be late 2011 or early 2012 then they're going to at least have 2-3 more DLC's. One of the previews I read stated that this DLC will show us some of what's to come in the third game. Perhaps it's something to do with what ends up happening to TSB, or Bioware setting up the Mass 1 characters for squad status in the next. That would be if for example Liara was to stay on the normandy post suicide mission. Chris said that the post suicide mission playthrough of the dlc will have some extra stuff, since it's targeted towards post SM games. Kind of makes you wonder what it is.
-Polite
#2071
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 03:54
kyle924 wrote...
Speaking of SM's, Aria would be a great choice. But I've got a few - what about Aleena (uncredited) - that Asari that Wrex respected in ME 1? Shiala or Sha'ira? Possible NPC or SM?
I was thinking Aria is the Asari Wrex fought since she stated she had been known by other identities. That would be an interesting twist.
#2072
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 07:52
24 total possible characters, 22 at the start of each playthrough. Squad limit of 12 or 16 at anytime.
Ashley or Kaiden, Wrex, Liara, Garrus, and Tali. 6. in all, 5 total survive
Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Thane, Samara, Morinth, Legion, Grunt, Mordin. 9 original ME2, 8 possible survivors
Zaeed and Kasumi. 2 DLC
If they decide to keep everyone playable 17 total, 15 survivable and the maximum amount of people die on a successful last mission, and you kill people in ME1 there will be at least 3. Liara, Kaiden/Ashley, and the lone ME2 survivor.
So at least 3 maximum 15 at the start of ME3
That leaves room for at least 7 newbies in ME3. 24 total squadies, 22 possible at any start of ME3.
I do think out of Mordin (age), Thane (illness), Zaeed (DLC and is a Merc), Kasumi (DLC), At least one possibly all four will not be a squadie, all could have major cameos though. Ship people perhaps.
Could be 9 newbies, that would let the guy with only three survivors stock up his team to 12 again. This would run total to 26 possible squadies
I'm guessing 7 new mates. Making 24 in total.
My guess ranges from Kolyat, Aria, TIM, probably a Batarian, the SB's enforcer unless he dies in LoTSB, a Volus or hanar (fan demand/comedy), Capt. Anderson, Kahlee Sanders, Gillian Grayson, Kai Leng, Kal Reegar, Toombs.
24 mates are possible but choices are made between people. Which affect mission rates of success.
Which affects how the galaxy turns out after victory and things like that.
#2073
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 09:47
adthorn82 wrote...
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As much as I would love to see everyone back, logically, its just not going to happen. It would take way too much development time to incorporate a whopping 22 potential squad members into the game. Even the potential 17 from the two games (or 15 excluding DLC) would be a crazy number. Bioware won't waste that much time on characters. What will probably happen is as follows:
Bioware has made comments (or so I've heard) about keeping the remaining ME1 squad alive (Virmire survivor, Liara) so that they can incorporate them into the next game. I believe that Liara will return (LotSB will tell us more), but the Virmire survivor won't. They burned their bridges with you on Horizon, and I doubt they'll be back. However, Wrex could possibly return, but then they have the fact that he doesn't survive, so its tough to tell with him. Tali and Garrus are the only two besides Liara that are guaranteed to survive and obviously, are in ME2. So basically from the first game, its either going to be Liara, Liara and Wrex or nobody (or maybe just Wrex). Again LotSB will give us more insight.
Onto the ME2 squad. It is really tough to tell with them, since they can theoretically all die, or survive with Shepard, or a minimum of 2 can survive with him. Theoretically, it is possible that the survivors will all return as squad members, and you'll just have to deal with the consequences of losing some of them in ME2. There will probably be some optional recruitment missions (possibly Liara, or Wrex, for example) to make your squad more diverse. But if Bioware wants us to really deal with the consequences of ME2, this is the best way to make it happen. Hell, I could see an achievement "Defeat the Reapers using only two squad members throughout the entire game"!!!
Then we have the possibility of...
Mordin: Liaison to the STG and salarians..., possibly old age (long shot)
Grunt: Breeding requests, helping Urdnot
Tali: Admiralty potential
Thane: Death because of illness
Samara: Code dictates she leaves
Kasumi/Zaeed: DLC, so probability of leaving is high
So there are really and endless number of ways for Bioware to incorporate the surviving squad into the next game... Hard to tell what they'll do, but these are my predictions...
#2074
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 10:59
xlavaina wrote...
adthorn82 wrote...
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As much as I would love to see everyone back, logically, its just not going to happen. It would take way too much development time to incorporate a whopping 22 potential squad members into the game. Even the potential 17 from the two games (or 15 excluding DLC) would be a crazy number. Bioware won't waste that much time on characters. What will probably happen is as follows:
Bioware has made comments (or so I've heard) about keeping the remaining ME1 squad alive (Virmire survivor, Liara) so that they can incorporate them into the next game. I believe that Liara will return (LotSB will tell us more), but the Virmire survivor won't. They burned their bridges with you on Horizon, and I doubt they'll be back. However, Wrex could possibly return, but then they have the fact that he doesn't survive, so its tough to tell with him. Tali and Garrus are the only two besides Liara that are guaranteed to survive and obviously, are in ME2. So basically from the first game, its either going to be Liara, Liara and Wrex or nobody (or maybe just Wrex). Again LotSB will give us more insight.
Onto the ME2 squad. It is really tough to tell with them, since they can theoretically all die, or survive with Shepard, or a minimum of 2 can survive with him. Theoretically, it is possible that the survivors will all return as squad members, and you'll just have to deal with the consequences of losing some of them in ME2. There will probably be some optional recruitment missions (possibly Liara, or Wrex, for example) to make your squad more diverse. But if Bioware wants us to really deal with the consequences of ME2, this is the best way to make it happen. Hell, I could see an achievement "Defeat the Reapers using only two squad members throughout the entire game"!!!
Then we have the possibility of...
Mordin: Liaison to the STG and salarians..., possibly old age (long shot)
Grunt: Breeding requests, helping Urdnot
Tali: Admiralty potential
Thane: Death because of illness
Samara: Code dictates she leaves
Kasumi/Zaeed: DLC, so probability of leaving is high
So there are really and endless number of ways for Bioware to incorporate the surviving squad into the next game... Hard to tell what they'll do, but these are my predictions...
The virmire survivor sends you an email apologizing for their attitude. So I wouldn't rule them out. What you have to understand is that Bioware knew where they were going with the suicide mission being able to kill off characters. They wanted to have a wide range of possible outcomes for the third game based on this factor. This is what will allow people's games to be significantly different from one another. All of the choices from the first two games, including the "choice" of who does what in the suicide mission, will cascade in the third game and determine how the 3rd game will play out.
There were about 2 interviews where Casey Hudson stated this, and the fact about how even though the squadmates are easily killed in the suicide mission, it gives them a large set of permutations on how the third game will play out. I'll see If I can dig it up again. It's somewhere in one of these pages.
-Polite
#2075
Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 11:08





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