PoliteAssasin wrote...
I love how you all talk about how it will be "cheaper". What? Not extra dialogue lines for characters in the final chapter of the trilogy. We couldn't have that, that would be too expensive. Scrap the fact that these people did their best to make sure that their squad survives, we're going to make up ridiculous reasons for each of them to have cameos because we don't feel like using all of 1000+ variables we just imported from Mass 2. 
Ummm... No. First of all, I need to correct you. EA doesn't develop the game. Bioware does. Now that we've got that established. Bioware is not going to disregard the Mass 2 team just because it would be easier to make Mass 3 with an all new squad. Why? Because it's the final chapter. Why waste the third game to make it a repeat of the second one? Yes we will see some new squad mates, possibly, but just because the squaddies could die, doesn't mean that they can't play a significant role in the third game.
Ok I'm pretty sure the main problem here is one of interpretation. I don't mean cameo as in 'pop in, say 1 or 2 lines, then leave' but rather just as 'non-recruitable NPC'. thats probably my bad, cameo has certain connotations attached to it. I think if garrus and tali and etc survive, they'll be very important, influential characters. they'll probably have key roles relating to key story mission (eg, tali as an admiral), and they'll get a ****load of lines to keep everyone happy.
but I don't think they'll be a squadmate because from my point of view, you have to be able to play the game with essentiall none of the
ME2 characters. I'm struggling to find the right words or analogy here, but basically you would have to have in ME3 a new, say, tech expert, in case tali and legion die. but if you have them both survive, you end up with three tech experts and thats a level of design overlap that in gameplay terms I don't see as making much sense. especially if you apply it through to all the classes. I want legion and tali to be there, but i dont see me needing there tech skills on missions when they could be doing other important stuff.
yes you're right, EA don't run the show, bioware does. I'm no expert on the relationship but I was under the impression that EA was a major funder of the project. apparently not? I don't know.
Look at ashley/kaidan. They are both guarunteed to have a significant role in Mass 3. But they are two separate people, two separate experiences. This is how Bioware will most likely treat the Mass 2 LI's, give them a significant role in place of Ashley or Kaidan. It is also highly likely that some of your crew, if not all, will remain with you.
*snip* basically there was a lot of stuff about the developers talking about variables. I'm saving space, you can see it up the page *end snip*
What's that? What did he say up there? An "organic approach where we're opportunistic about how the game can change based on those variables". Whats that now? So tell me, what Variables from Mass 2 could change the game in such an organic way?
"The writers have to experts in what's happened before and what choices you could have made, and as they write the story, they find places where it would be really cool to have different things happen based on those variables."
What now? They're writing different outcomes based on decisions you made in Mass 2? What? How could this be? That must cost a lot of money
sarcasm. cool.
If you look at the post I was responding to, It was only about ME2 squadmembers. Liara and Ash/Kai could be a squadmate because they're definately alive. Or they could be major non-recruitable NPC's.
Besides that, you can have all these variables and organic growth and such without actually having that person as a SQUADMATE.
You see, when a game developer is creating their final act, they're not worried about money or time constraints. It's their last chance to actually please the fans.
lol. come on, read that again. thats just BS. of course they want to please the fans, but your being a bit naive if you think time and money aren't factors.
Not only would giving every Mass 2 squaddie a cameo based on their ability to die ****** off the fans, but it would be a cheap cop out for Bioware to just quickly develop the game. And I'm sorry, but based on their reputation I would say that's highly unlikely.
Mass Effect is supposed to be different for each person. Unique. It would make zero sense for them to cut off all of the Mass 2 squad members in Mass 3 for several reasons:
yeah I didn't mean to -or in some cases even imply- any of that. take your strawman elsewhere.
1. You already have the galaxies most dangerous individuals. You took down the collectors base with them. Thats a history, experience, that would make going against the reapers that much easier.
2. Bioware dedicated the entire game to building the squad. Why do that and then subject them all to cameo roles just because it would take time to create different permutations of Mass 3 based on Mass 2's ending?
3. If Mass 3 introduces an entirely new squad, it would pretty much render Mass 2 useless.
4. Why subject a players Mass 2 LI to a cameo and not a Squad role? And don't say the ridiculous argument that they did it with Ash/Kaidan. Because we already showed that the only reason that happened was because they had to survive for Mass 3.
5. If Bioware could create different outcomes of Mass 3 with Ash/Kaidan - Who's to say that they can't do it with a Mass 2 LI? Or with some of the squad mates?
1. I'm not actually going to bother with in-game reasons. the in-game reasons are strong. bioware exists outside the in-game universe, and has to deal with things that novelists and moviemakers
2. what? thats exactly why they would do it, that, and other out-game reasons.
3. no, because ME2 was a badass game where you made a lot of key decisions about stuff and whatnot. and why would keeping all the ME2 characters but giving them major NRNPC roles render those characters void?
4. because then we can meet a new character? because then we don't have three squadmates with pretty much the same technical battlefield proficiencies? because the ME2 squadmates have better things to be doing?
5. As I said, I'd like to see it happen, and the ME2 LI's will be in the story if they survive. but Ash/Kai will DEFINATELY be there. as will liara. everyone else has the possibility of being dead. especially if the defaults follow the ME2 patter where every possible NPC that could die in ME1 did.
So basically much of what you say boils down to reasons they will be in the game. but I don't feel that any of those are particularly strong reasons that you'll be able to select them in a squadmate screen and take them down planetside to battle alongside you. maybe you define squadmates differentially to me?
Think of this as my main argument:
You need at least:
a biotic squadmate
a tech squadmate
a soldier squadmate
and then say a couple of vanguard/ sentinel style squadmates.
to play the game in a fun and effective way. which is MASSIVELY IMPORTANT.
If you have No one alive at the end of ME2 (or, say, morinth and kasumi, who likely won't be back)
then you have at best
biotic squadmate: Liara
ash/Kai as soldier/sentinel
then where are you going to cover all the rest of those squadmate niches?
with new characters.
so bringing in all the old ones will leave you with redundancies and overlap.
unless
1. they only give you a new, say, sentinel, ONLY if miranda dies
- which then creates overlap in design, giving the developers twice as much work for one squadmate spot
2. they actually give you a flexible number of squadmates, ranging from the standard 6-7, but adding 3-6 more of your survivng ME2 squadmates.
- which they may do. personally, this is what I'd like to see. no need to attack me for just being a pessimist. but I don't think bioware has to do this. many of the characters have other, more important things to be doing besides fighting on the front line.
or to quote you:
polite wrote...
Yes we will see some new squad mates, possibly, but just because the squaddies could die, doesn't mean that they can't play a significant role in the third game.
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I merely mean to say that, in fewer words, Bioware tends to plan videogame events with the intentions of simplifying gameplay variables.
