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[Hobosapien]

Bruddajakka wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

Let's reaffirm the topic of this thread -- whether squadmates will return as squadmates in ME3 or not.  Nothing Casey Hudson has ever said proves a damn thing or settles this debate in any way. It's a pathetic lack of reasoning skills that would lead anyone to think otherwise.

Earlier, I posted a pre-ME2 quote from Hudson in which he gave an example of a "big" consequence. It turned out that it was just some graphics and PA announcements on the citadel that were different depending on whether you saved the council in ME1.

Now that he's discussing ME3, he's talking in vagueries about consequences and divergent outcomes, but he is not explaining what he means. You people are jumping to the most grandiose, incomprehensively unlikely conclusions, when it might be something as simple as a billboard being different.

Further, I find the "squadmates back as squadmates" camp's reaction -- or lack of reaction -- to the Shadow Broker DLC to be incredibly funny. Liara returning as a squadmate in ME3 was your POSTER ARGUMENT and now that looks extremely unlikely to happen.

It must be nice to live in such denial that you can force contradictory pieces of new information into your continuously mutating arguments, as if they fit with your theory all along.

But the reality of the matter is, I can take a pencil and cross off Liara, while you can't put a check mark next to any previous squadmate's  name on the roster. The score stands at Good guys - 1. Delusionists - 0.

Actually you can't. Yeah right now she's the Shadow Broker as of Lair. But that doesn't mean she won't be returning as a squad mate in ME3. There's a bunch of different things that could happen to cause her to rejoin the squad. Until ME3 is out. Nobody can one hundred percent say for sure who is, and isn't on the squad.

Liara seems to be out as squadmate.  Maybe as a mission in ME3 Shep might have to help her fight off an attack at the SB lair.  As the SB she is now a huge resource to Shepard.  Perhaps her ship will be a base of operations in ME3
Wrex has the same status, more important for him to be uniting the Krogan than on the Normandy.  VS, Tali, and Garrus all seem to be open for squadmates as of now.  Although the VS could hinge on what you chose to do with the Collector base.
The ME2 crew has reasons to stay or go, age, health, mercs etc.  I would like to have valid, imo, reasons for the crew to stay or go in ME3.  For example  Miri wanting a baby so she is out wouldn't sit well, but Mordin staying at the SB lair to research Reaper options might.

Modifié par Hobosapien, 10 septembre 2010 - 12:56 .

[The Real Bowser]

Just because they could be killed, doesn't mean they are commonly left to die.

It's very, very easy to make all of your crew survive.  That said, I don't think there would be a massive amount of playable characters from ME2, but they would still be there.  My favorite characters are listed below in my signature, but I have a few more that interest me, including:

Thane
Grunt
Jack

(Tali, Legion, and Garrus are in my signature)

Don't get me wrong, I liked the entire crew, but these six stood out the most.


Unfortunately, I don't think Bioware will make Ashley and Kaiden crewmembers in ME3, because that would require two seperate characters and dialogues for them.  I liked Ashley a lot, but I didn't care much about Kaiden, honestly.  And no, it's not why you'd think.  Ashley has a more interesting personality, while Kaiden is pretty boring.

Wrex, I have no strong feelings about being a squad member.  I like grunt more.  Period.

Liara T'soni is one character I'd love to see in ME3.

Aside from this, I can't think of any side characters that I was like "Darn, I wanted to have that character on my squad!" that I can think of off the top of my head.

I think it would be exciting to have a surviving prothean join our squad close to the end of the game, much like Legion was a surprise to us in ME2.  I'm not going to hold my breath on this, however.  By surviving Prothean, I do not mean a collector, although I do not mean an immortal prothean, either.  It could simply be from a purposely secluded planet where protheans survived and one of them joined us.

Modifié par The Real Bowser, 10 septembre 2010 - 01:01 .

[Moondoggie]

vader44 wrote...

I dont want to say this but I think hes right. I really would rather have all the characters back than have any new ones espeacially because its the final chapter but there are to many variables. If I were you id enjoy the ME2 DLC while it lasts because considering this and the possibility of multiplayer there is a likely chance ME3 will suck. And Bioware please understand I dont mean to sound like a jerk but in a rough economy I understand why you went to the Darkside(ea). I will never forgive microsoft for not fighting for you.

You do realise the endless pot of money EA pours into projects is the reason Bioware can use such great voice actors and have great music composers and generally make great games. Look at the quality of voice actors between Mass Effect 2 and something like Jade Empire. or even between Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 granted some are the same but the quality jump between games is remarkable in every department. I don't believe it's just Bioware i think the budget they have for games through EA accounts for a lot of their success with games in recent times. Lot's of people have it in for EA because they buy out a lot of companies. But you can't deny their money helps fund some great game developers.

[smudboy]

The Real Bowser wrote...
Just because they could be killed, doesn't mean they are commonly left to die.

Not only is this false, but these two concepts "can be killed" and "not commonly left to die" mean nothing.

If they can be killed, they can be killed.  The system must take that into effect, as well as whether they're alive.  You must think along both ideas, a concept most people in here can't grasp.

If they can be killed, and aren't commonly left to die, how do they die?  Last I recall, Samara/Morinth gets killed, and Zaeed can be left to be killed.  Grunt can sit in his pod, as can Legion, or can be sold off.  Then there's the entire Suicide Mission, where everyone interchangably can get destroyed: now at that point, you can start making up fantastic fiction to explain Lazarus Project 2.0, PER squadmate.

Then you can start arguing on how they'll come back with not being loyal, not being recruited in the first place, and not even being imported.

Then you can start talking about your "being killed/commonly left to die" whatever.

[philiposophy]

Legion is one character that can probably make it to ME3, no matter what you do. If he survives, he survives. If he dies, he can be redownloaded to a new platform (sans hole) only without memory of the attack on the collector base. If he's sold to Cerberus, he can be redownloaded or escape/be released by Cerberus.



As for the squad, I think there'll be some new faces (even if they've been encountered previously) but I wouldn't rule out every ME2 squadmate. If they want to make choices matter, they should punish you if you couldn't keep X alive by having an empty space for X. You could have had them but you don't, because you screwed up.

[Moondoggie]

Hobosapien wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

Let's reaffirm the topic of this thread -- whether squadmates will return as squadmates in ME3 or not.  Nothing Casey Hudson has ever said proves a damn thing or settles this debate in any way. It's a pathetic lack of reasoning skills that would lead anyone to think otherwise.

Earlier, I posted a pre-ME2 quote from Hudson in which he gave an example of a "big" consequence. It turned out that it was just some graphics and PA announcements on the citadel that were different depending on whether you saved the council in ME1.

Now that he's discussing ME3, he's talking in vagueries about consequences and divergent outcomes, but he is not explaining what he means. You people are jumping to the most grandiose, incomprehensively unlikely conclusions, when it might be something as simple as a billboard being different.

Further, I find the "squadmates back as squadmates" camp's reaction -- or lack of reaction -- to the Shadow Broker DLC to be incredibly funny. Liara returning as a squadmate in ME3 was your POSTER ARGUMENT and now that looks extremely unlikely to happen.

It must be nice to live in such denial that you can force contradictory pieces of new information into your continuously mutating arguments, as if they fit with your theory all along.

But the reality of the matter is, I can take a pencil and cross off Liara, while you can't put a check mark next to any previous squadmate's  name on the roster. The score stands at Good guys - 1. Delusionists - 0.

Actually you can't. Yeah right now she's the Shadow Broker as of Lair. But that doesn't mean she won't be returning as a squad mate in ME3. There's a bunch of different things that could happen to cause her to rejoin the squad. Until ME3 is out. Nobody can one hundred percent say for sure who is, and isn't on the squad.

Liara seems to be out as squadmate.  Maybe as a mission in ME3 Shep might have to help her fight off an attack at the SB lair.  As the SB she is now a huge resource to Shepard.  Perhaps her ship will be a base of operations in ME3
Wrex has the same status, more important for him to be uniting the Krogan than on the Normandy.  VS, Tali, and Garrus all seem to be open for squadmates as of now.  Although the VS could hinge on what you chose to do with the Collector base.
The ME2 crew has reasons to stay or go, age, health, mercs etc.  I would like to have valid, imo, reasons for the crew to stay or go in ME3.  For example  Miri wanting a baby so she is out wouldn't sit well, but Mordin staying at the SB lair to research Reaper options might.

I hope that Bioware won't take the cheap option and just kill half of them to write them out of it. Spending 3/4 of ME 3 doing recruitment missions again will be a huge let down. The ending of ME2 suggests the surviving members of the crew stayed on to fight the reapers so if it continues where we left off they'd only be able to write them out in a cheap and silly fashion. At least in ME 2 the write out of old squad mates was believeable in the story and i doubt they plan to kill Shepard and destroy the Normandy again.

Some do have reasons to leave like Samara who has other duties and Thane who is sick so might wish to spend his remaining time getting to know his son. Zaeed might take his money and leave.

Some really don't have anywhere else to go. The Cerberus operatives Miranda and Jacob are in limbo if you destroy the base Miranda is asked to stop you and cuts the Illusive Man off offering him her resignation. Jacob also seems to support you if you destroy the base and question the wisdom of handing it over if you don't destroy it. If they do quit what does it leave them? They'd likely stay on

Tali and Garrus are loyal friends/lovers of Shepard and will stay they are a given.

Theres Jack and Kasumi who unless they are dumb and Bioware doesn't write them that way they would stay on the Normandy. Both are being hunted for one reason or another and would be better off in the relitive safety of the Normandy than going it alone.

Grunt declared Shepard his battlemaster so should stay by his/her side. They'll want a Krogan squadmate in ME3 anyways.

Mordin could go a number of ways but i'm sure he'll play a part.

Theres so so many variables with the possibility of them dying in ME2 im not sure how they'd handle it. Creating replacement character for each slot isn't really viable. I can see one extra slot for the VS. Maybe one other optional slot depending on certain things..Squad below certain number...Optional recruitment causing one member to leave in anger that they replace etc

[XX55XX]

Since I don't want to post a new thread, I just want to ask everyone: How would you feel if BioWare introduced a brand new cadre of squadmates for ME3, relegating the old ones to mere NPCs?

It happened in ME2, and everyone loved those new characters just the same, even if some of the old ones (like Ashley, Kaidan, Liara, and Wrex) were relegated to very small cameos.

In this worse case scenario, I can imagine that everyone will be given small cameos and may act as squadmates when you are helping them out, like how the Liara DLC handled Liara. But, where does that leave us? Everyone, except for Liara and Miranda, can be killed in either ME1 or ME2. And since Liara has decided to take up the role of the Shadow Broker, that means she probably won't be returning as a squadmate. And, that leaves Miranda and the Virmire survivor.

So, how would people feel if four to six new squadmates were introduced?

[Hobosapien]

@moondoggie, I agree with you. Although I wouldn't mind doing squadmate specific missions. For example Garrus needs help with family, like getting them to safety. Jack tracks down mother. Whatever, I'll leave it to more creative minds than mine. For the issue of loyalty I hope it's not a factor for mates like Garrus/Tali or LI's. If they aren't loyal by now maybe it's airlock time.

I am curious to see how Liara as SB playsout in ME3. I hope the DLC for the VS is as good as Liara's.

[glacier1701]

Lair of the Shadow Broker, while DLC and therefore optional, is being touted as having a large impact on the ME3 story. While exactly how it will impact ME3 is speculation at the moment it does appear that there is now a large 'space' into which many ME2 squad members can go with little pushing that takes them away from the SR2 thus opening up space for new squaddies. For example now we know about Miranda's infertility she could be shunted off the SR2 should a new treatment appear that promises to correct that. Zaeed could be easily taken off by saying that now the SB ship needs new guards he has been paid to be one of them. To sum up almost no work needs to be done to get the old squad off the ship and into an area of 'safety' where they can be used as important NPCs.

 As to new squadmates - this is simplfied as well by the SB ship. TIM got us dossiers on people. Well the same can be done with the SB ship and with input by Shepard rather than just being given a list. Indeed the most likely source of new squaddies is going be those who are hired to help out when Shepard goes after that 'special' Prothean site. In other words a potential story for ME3 is Shepard gathering the proper people needed to go after and secure a Prothean site from which can be gained the 'info/item' that is needed to stop the Reapers. After all we do not necessarily need a showdown with the Reapers if it shown that we have obtained the one thing needed to stop them. In other words ME3 could still include recruitment because the time inside the game does NOT have to include the lead up to a final battle with the Reapers or even that final battle.

 So right now the situation as to what can happen in ME3 has been completely changed by LotSB. New squad? Easily done. Old squad and/or returning ME1 characters. Just as easily done. Return as important NPCs? No sweat. Indeed the SB ship is the answer to how the writers can do what they want in ME3. It quite literally is their magic wand wave machine. I would say now that the next DLC (or perhaps 2) WILL show us the path that BW is going to head down with ME3 as to regards how they will handle old/new squadmates. I would not be surprised if they know what the exact nature of the next few DLCs are and have already planned much of what is going to be done in them perhaps to the extent of it being economically feasable to call in a number of VAs for lines in that DLC.
 

[Moiaussi]

philiposophy wrote...

Legion is one character that can probably make it to ME3, no matter what you do. If he survives, he survives. If he dies, he can be redownloaded to a new platform (sans hole) only without memory of the attack on the collector base. If he's sold to Cerberus, he can be redownloaded or escape/be released by Cerberus.

As for the squad, I think there'll be some new faces (even if they've been encountered previously) but I wouldn't rule out every ME2 squadmate. If they want to make choices matter, they should punish you if you couldn't keep X alive by having an empty space for X. You could have had them but you don't, because you screwed up.

They could always start it two years later, with anyone they want brought  back from the dead... the precident is there.

[GODzilla]

I think from all the possibilities that Kaiden and / or Ashley would be the most likely ones to return to Shepard. And maybe Wrex. Liara is a safe bet, because she can't die in ME2. Tali could be among the ones we don't see again.

It's a simple calculation:


4 characters (Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Wrex) from ME1 would need modelling, animation and voice over. There is the possibility that 2 of them will never appear (Wrex plus Kaiden or Ashley according to player decision).

VERSUS

12 characters (Garrus, Grunt, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Legion, Miranda, Mordin, Morinth/Samara, Tali, Thane, Zaeed) from ME2 would need modelling and voice over. I don't know if there is a maximum number of possible casulties and I don't think it's ever possible to loose all 12 in the final mission. But I think at least 4 to 6 of them could die, which means 50% redundant work.


So I'm pretty sure Bioware will give us the ME1 characters back - as everyone is expecting them and begging them anyway *g* - plus some new guys and girls. ^^

[Merlin 47]

I don't see Wrex coming back. I'd rather have him stay where he is in my game, despite how much I like him. I personally want all the ME 2 squad back. Oh....and sure, give me Liara back. Ash.....meh, she can take a hike.



Failing that, just give me Tali, Garrus and Liara. Give me those three and I'll be happy.

[theelementslayer]

wulf3n wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...
I think they did this because they had to continue the story for ME3. But after ME3 there is nothing so it doesnt matter if they die, or if they are around in the first place.

I guess it really depends on what you believe the current state of Bioware is.
If you believe their main goal is maximum profit, then they'll probably reduce all of the killable characters to non-essential roles, with minimal content.

If you believe their main goal is to make the ultimate gaming experience the likes of which has never been seen before, in which the choices we've made have observable consequences within the world, then ME3 will be an awesome experience, effectively 2 games in one, where our choices determine which story we see in ME3.

After what they did with lair of the shadow broker and overloard, but especially LotSB, Im more inclined to say they want to give the fans what they want. An incredible gaming experiance. Think of it this way. The DLC was way worth 10$, probably even 15 for what they put into it.

Fans wanted
-more banter
-more emotion to shep
-Melee combat
-other missions around the galaxy
-chance to change up squaddies specializations
-non-silent bosses

What did BW provide in LotSB
-all of the above

It could have easily been find SB, take him down, do a quick sex scene with Liara and it would still have been worth 800 BW points.However they didnt, they listened to the fans and delievered as much as they could. THey do this sort of game because BW and Hudson want to push the envelope of gaming forward. So I think theyll do what they always do and surprise us.

[DrAbysmal]

XX55XX wrote...

In this worse case scenario, I can imagine that everyone will be given small cameos and may act as squadmates when you are helping them out, like how the Liara DLC handled Liara. But, where does that leave us? Everyone, except for Liara and Miranda, can be killed in either ME1 or ME2. And since Liara has decided to take up the role of the Shadow Broker, that means she probably won't be returning as a squadmate. And, that leaves Miranda and the Virmire survivor.

While Miranda does have a plot shield for the first two parts of the suicide mission, by the last part of it she may die like any other character.

[Moondoggie]

GODzilla_GSPB wrote...

I think from all the possibilities that Kaiden and / or Ashley would be the most likely ones to return to Shepard. And maybe Wrex. Liara is a safe bet, because she can't die in ME2. Tali could be among the ones we don't see again.

It's a simple calculation:


4 characters (Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Wrex) from ME1 would need modelling, animation and voice over. There is the possibility that 2 of them will never appear (Wrex plus Kaiden or Ashley according to player decision).

VERSUS

12 characters (Garrus, Grunt, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Legion, Miranda, Mordin, Morinth/Samara, Tali, Thane, Zaeed) from ME2 would need modelling and voice over. I don't know if there is a maximum number of possible casulties and I don't think it's ever possible to loose all 12 in the final mission. But I think at least 4 to 6 of them could die, which means 50% redundant work.


So I'm pretty sure Bioware will give us the ME1 characters back - as everyone is expecting them and begging them anyway *g* - plus some new guys and girls. ^^

I see the logic in that but it's icolating so many people. Firstly and foremost fans of characters in the second game who have as big if not bigger followings than many of the first games characters. Secondly you can start a playthrough of ME 2 without the first game and as such some players may not have bonded as much with characters in ME 1 that were not present in 2 as squad mates. So that would icolate those people too. Liara and Wrex seem to have clearly defined roles leading into the 3rd installment which takes away any rumours on if they will be squadmates in ME 3 so that leaves lots of holes even if the VS returns to the fold that's one new squad member.

My other thought would be what is the point of making such a big deal of the whole squadmates can be killed if they just plan to write most of them out the 3rd game. What's the point of saving them if they will be replaced by new people? An achievement medal?

[smudboy]

glacier1701 wrote...
Lair of the Shadow Broker, while DLC and therefore optional, is being touted as having a large impact on the ME3 story. While exactly how it will impact ME3 is speculation at the moment it does appear that there is now a large 'space' into which many ME2 squad members can go with little pushing that takes them away from the SR2 thus opening up space for new squaddies. For example now we know about Miranda's infertility she could be shunted off the SR2 should a new treatment appear that promises to correct that. Zaeed could be easily taken off by saying that now the SB ship needs new guards he has been paid to be one of them. To sum up almost no work needs to be done to get the old squad off the ship and into an area of 'safety' where they can be used as important NPCs.

Though to play it is optional, I still feel the system in ME3 must take it into account, as with all other DLCs, especially since it's considered a bridge.

 As to new squadmates - this is simplfied as well by the SB ship. TIM got us dossiers on people. Well the same can be done with the SB ship and with input by Shepard rather than just being given a list. Indeed the most likely source of new squaddies is going be those who are hired to help out when Shepard goes after that 'special' Prothean site. In other words a potential story for ME3 is Shepard gathering the proper people needed to go after and secure a Prothean site from which can be gained the 'info/item' that is needed to stop the Reapers. After all we do not necessarily need a showdown with the Reapers if it shown that we have obtained the one thing needed to stop them. In other words ME3 could still include recruitment because the time inside the game does NOT have to include the lead up to a final battle with the Reapers or even that final battle.

The idea that they focus more on what makes Shepard "Shepard", is key, and doing said Prothean quest seems reasonable.

 So right now the situation as to what can happen in ME3 has been completely changed by LotSB. New squad? Easily done. Old squad and/or returning ME1 characters. Just as easily done. Return as important NPCs? No sweat. Indeed the SB ship is the answer to how the writers can do what they want in ME3. It quite literally is their magic wand wave machine. I would say now that the next DLC (or perhaps 2) WILL show us the path that BW is going to head down with ME3 as to regards how they will handle old/new squadmates. I would not be surprised if they know what the exact nature of the next few DLCs are and have already planned much of what is going to be done in them perhaps to the extent of it being economically feasable to call in a number of VAs for lines in that DLC.

Interesting.  I got the opinion that LOTSB gave us even more evidence of characters not returning, like Liara, Garrus and the like.  That they can be plot relevant/have their own little plot important mission where they tag along seems very doable: in fact, I'd welcome it.  If their storytelling of LOTSB is an example, then I say go for it.  In fact, I wish the entirety of ME2 was like this: simple, clear stories, plot related, heavy amount of input from Shepard and the supporting cast (or at least one), that ties in with the overarching plot, and a variety of other elements (SB, Spectres, Council, Cerberus, Shepard's resurrection, etc.) Instead of just Jacob: "Shepard I have this thing I don't care/care about it/that's all bull/has nothing to do with anything."

Modifié par smudboy, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:02 .

[nelly21]

I really don't see why Bioware would change the formula from ME2. I don't think we'll see all our ME2 squadmates. If Bioware is smart (and I believe they are) they will make squad size bigger or smaller based on past decisions. Got everyone except the minimum 2 killed in the SM? Well your squad is that much smaller.



They will probably retain a few fan favorites (Garrus, Tali, etc.) mix in your ME1 survivor and then bring in a few new members. The rest are recruitable only if they survived.



Voila! You have a squad. Seriously not that hard guys.

[Moondoggie]

nelly21 wrote...

I really don't see why Bioware would change the formula from ME2. I don't think we'll see all our ME2 squadmates. If Bioware is smart (and I believe they are) they will make squad size bigger or smaller based on past decisions. Got everyone except the minimum 2 killed in the SM? Well your squad is that much smaller.

They will probably retain a few fan favorites (Garrus, Tali, etc.) mix in your ME1 survivor and then bring in a few new members. The rest are recruitable only if they survived.

Voila! You have a squad. Seriously not that hard guys.

Bringing in new members just seems a stretch if say you saved your whole squad plus the VS returns that's 13 squad members to fit in storylines and dialogue for. 12 was a stretch it was hard to bond with some characters because you had to spend so long in coversations between missions.  If they added in a whole new load of character it'd be even harder to get into characters.  I'd rather get to know what we have deeper than have a whole new bunch of characters to do storyline missions for.

[guacamayus]

Adding new squadmates in ME3 would be absurd, why would any companion leave the normandy before the final battle? Its even more absurd to expect Miranda to leave the team to get a fertility treatment when everything is about to be destroyed by the reapers... it just doesnt make any sense.
They have places to be, thats for sure, but there is no reason to abandon the team knowing that soon is gonna be a huge battle that will decide the fate of the universe.

Wrex leading the krogan into battle, Liara being the Shadow Broker and Legion are clear exceptions but for the rest I dont see any reason for them to be excluded from ME3.

Modifié par guacamayus, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:16 .

[nelly21]

Moondoggie wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

I really don't see why Bioware would change the formula from ME2. I don't think we'll see all our ME2 squadmates. If Bioware is smart (and I believe they are) they will make squad size bigger or smaller based on past decisions. Got everyone except the minimum 2 killed in the SM? Well your squad is that much smaller.

They will probably retain a few fan favorites (Garrus, Tali, etc.) mix in your ME1 survivor and then bring in a few new members. The rest are recruitable only if they survived.

Voila! You have a squad. Seriously not that hard guys.

Bringing in new members just seems a stretch if say you saved your whole squad plus the VS returns that's 13 squad members to fit in storylines and dialogue for. 12 was a stretch it was hard to bond with some characters because you had to spend so long in coversations between missions.  If they added in a whole new load of character it'd be even harder to get into characters.  I'd rather get to know what we have deeper than have a whole new bunch of characters to do storyline missions for.

But as I said before, a couple of them have good reason to leave. Jack doesn't strike me like the kind of person who would fight the Reapers to save humanity, she would be looking for a way to survive. Grunt is supposed to go back to Tuchanka. Samara fulfilled her oath. Zaeed and Kasumi work with you in return for favors and/or money.

The point is, Bioware wrote in good reasons for a lot of these characters to leave, while making sure that a few are entirely loyal to Shepard. I think ME3 squad memebers will be a mix of ME1 and ME2 with one or two new characters and quite frankly, I don't think it would be a bad thing.

[nelly21]

guacamayus wrote...

Adding new squadmates in ME3 would be absurd, why would any companion leave the normandy before the final battle? Its even more absurd to expect Miranda to leave the team to get a fertility treatment when everything is about to be destroyed by the reapers... it just doesnt make any sense.
They have places to be, thats for sure, but there is no reason to abandon the team knowing that soon is gonna be a huge battle that will decide the fate of the universe.

Wrex leading the krogan into battle, Liara being the Shadow Broker and Legion are clear exceptions but for the rest I dont see any reason for them to be excluded from ME3.

Grunt fighting alongside the Krogan.

Samara rallying the Asari and their commandos.

Tali rallying the Flotilla.

Mordin warning STG and the Salarians

None of these reasons sound good enough to leave the squad? As for Jack, she's a survivor. She isn't going to jump into a war that will kill millions of people. She's going to be looking for a way to survive. She did the suicide mission to get info on Cerberus, that's it. The Reaper genocides take decades to complete.  Zaeed works for the highest bidder. You don't think there are a few governments out there that would pay him top dollar for his services?

The point is, a lot of these characters could help out Shep a lot more by convincing their people about the Reaper threat than by working on a small group with all of one ship.

[Harley_Dude]

wulf3n wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...
I think they did this because they had to continue the story for ME3. But after ME3 there is nothing so it doesnt matter if they die, or if they are around in the first place.

I guess it really depends on what you believe the current state of Bioware is.
If you believe their main goal is maximum profit, then they'll probably reduce all of the killable characters to non-essential roles, with minimal content.

If you believe their main goal is to make the ultimate gaming experience the likes of which has never been seen before, in which the choices we've made have observable consequences within the world, then ME3 will be an awesome experience, effectively 2 games in one, where our choices determine which story we see in ME3.

The primary responsibilty of management is to maximize shareholder wealth. Every first year business student knows this. Creating extensive content for a character that may be dead in the majority of ME2 saves is not cost effective. Unless they go with a quest where Garrus or his placeholder can be used expect more calibrations or worse the Zaeed treatment.

[Bruddajakka]

I've said it a couple of times but the character who make the most sense to me in order to remain are Garrus, Grunt, Jacob, Legion, Tali, and Mordin probably Miranda but I could see her being more effective in a role along the lines of what Liara is in now. Personally I'd like to see Jacob go with her if that was the case but I doubt he will. Now as for the others. These are the squadmates who seem to be in it for the long haul.

Jack: Don't see any reason for her to stick around unless you romanced her.
Kasumi/Zaeed: Weren't we flat out told already that they weren't coming back due to them being DLC.
Thane: Dies in between ME2, and ME3.
Samara: She flat out tells you that once the mission is over she going back to being a Justicar.

Now for the ME1 squadmates. I could see Liara coming back if she was needed or if something happened with her role as the Shadowbroker.

As for Ash/Kaiden/Wrex they're all suffering the fate of Virmire. Though Wrex specifically I don't see coming back seeing if he's alive due to his whole I, Overlord thing on Tuchanka. I guess they could just make Ash/Kaiden the same character in different skins.

At least in the case of ME2 they said that if Shepard dies during the mission it isn't canonical. And you just won't be able to import your save so they can also say these are the characters who survived the mission in that case.

Modifié par Bruddajakka, 10 septembre 2010 - 03:48 .