I would actually prefer some of these characters to leave the squad, not because I dislike them, but because they can have interesting roles in ME3 if they are on their own.
-Tali's role in ME3 could be all over the place. She could be an admiral, she could be an exile (though still helping the flotilla somehow) or she could be dead.
-Garrus getting will hopefully become a Specter. The Shadow Broker's Dossier even comments about Garrus being held back by serving under Shep's command.
- Samara could just pop up doing her Justicar thing pretty much anywhere.
And so on.
I like the idea of them being available as temporary squadmates - that's a great compromise that would really let us feel the effects of playing through 3 games. If I were to guess, all 6 romance options will have a slightly more prominent role.
We still might see Liara joining up as a squadmate again - she might have the TIM/Hackett role for the first third, half, or 3/4's of the game and then be forced to join up as the next Shadowbroker tries to take over or the ship is attacked.
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#2327
Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 12:57
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I'd like to see Garrus and Tali stay with Shepard. I like their stories, plus they are solid squadmates. Two friends/LI's willing to trust Shepard enough to go the distance, from Saren to the end of ME3.
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 06:30
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I would also like a new squad (well, I would like most of all to keep a few of the old and get a few new ones, but..) and the idea of old squad members making guest appearances in the squad is a very good compromise. This is my preferred outcome for ME3 so far.
Do you feel that a LI must be in the squad for the romance to continue in a meaningful way?
This was a very comprehensive list that I have been missing until now, thank you..!
Do you feel that a LI must be in the squad for the romance to continue in a meaningful way?
Guanxii wrote...
...info about characters...
This was a very comprehensive list that I have been missing until now, thank you..!
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Posté 16 septembre 2010 - 01:47
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Commander Kurt wrote...
I would also like a new squad (well, I would like most of all to keep a few of the old and get a few new ones, but..) and the idea of old squad members making guest appearances in the squad is a very good compromise. This is my preferred outcome for ME3 so far.
Do you feel that a LI must be in the squad for the romance to continue in a meaningful way?Guanxii wrote...
...info about characters...
This was a very comprehensive list that I have been missing until now, thank you..!
Can never tell if you Salarians are being sarcastic or not. In any case thankful for sincerity, apathetic for mockery and if so Mr. Thax should be making a series of polite calls to teach you some manners.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 06:06
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Guanxii wrote...
Can never tell if you Salarians are being sarcastic or not. In any case thankful for sincerity, apathetic for mockery and if so Mr. Thax should be making a series of polite calls to teach you some manners.
Mockery..?
Never!!I was being very sincere actually, I had been thinking about that earlier and wondered how it fits together.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 02:09
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Lvl20DM wrote...
I would actually prefer some of these characters to leave the squad, not because I dislike them, but because they can have interesting roles in ME3 if they are on their own.
-Tali's role in ME3 could be all over the place. She could be an admiral, she could be an exile (though still helping the flotilla somehow) or she could be dead.
-Garrus getting will hopefully become a Specter. The Shadow Broker's Dossier even comments about Garrus being held back by serving under Shep's command.
- Samara could just pop up doing her Justicar thing pretty much anywhere.
And so on.
I'm with you on Samara; I actually want Garrus and Tali to be with Shepard to finish this out. They went the distance this far, and I'd like them to stay until the end. I can see Samara, Jack, Mordin and Thane all leaving (Thane and Mordin because I'm fearful they'd be dead). If two had to leave for Ash/Kaiden and Liara to rejoin, then I could give up Jack and Samara. Well....I could give up Jack for Liara without too much trouble, but I'd be relcutant to give up Samara.
I'd still like to see Garrus become a Spectre with Shepard. That'd be awesome I think.
Lvl20DM wrote...
I like the idea of them being available as temporary squadmates - that's a great compromise that would really let us feel the effects of playing through 3 games. If I were to guess, all 6 romance options will have a slightly more prominent role.
I'm with you on this to a point. It all depends on who they get rid of I think. I had mixed feelings on Liara being a temporary squad member. It was nice to have her back, but I understand why she couldn't join you.
If Samara is a temporary member, that's okay. Same with Jack; I like them both....but if I have to lose two people to "get" Ash/Kaiden and Liara back, I'd rather just be given one extra crew member and keep everyone else I had from ME 2. (Sorry Ash.....there's no place for you on my team anymore).
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 07:35
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"BioWare's Christina Norman defines goals for Mass Effect 3":
www.joystiq.com/2010/03/13/bioware-designer-talks-about-goals-for-mass-effect-3/
Under the "we should keep" category, I wonder if the "same team" refers to the team of developers or squadmates.
www.joystiq.com/2010/03/13/bioware-designer-talks-about-goals-for-mass-effect-3/
Under the "we should keep" category, I wonder if the "same team" refers to the team of developers or squadmates.
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Posté 17 septembre 2010 - 08:02
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Most likely devs. If you look at all the slides she uses the term tem exclusively when talking about her team. Characters in the game are always referenced as squad. Also she is a gameplay developer, the squad falls under the category story so it is not her responsibility and she probably has little influence on the squad composition other than maybe which classes/powers ought to be present in the squad.Raokin wrote...
"BioWare's Christina Norman defines goals for Mass Effect 3":
www.joystiq.com/2010/03/13/bioware-designer-talks-about-goals-for-mass-effect-3/
Under the "we should keep" category, I wonder if the "same team" refers to the team of developers or squadmates.
#2334
Posté 14 décembre 2010 - 06:01
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So what are the new theories now that we know the Reapers are coming to Earth?
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Posté 14 décembre 2010 - 06:25
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From a purely asthetic standpoint where I'm assuming the default didn't keep the base at the end of ME2?
Tali and Legion go to the Quarian and Geth fleets to begin marshaling their respective fleets for battle with the Reapers. They can rejoin Shepard later as ambassadors to their peoples later if the player chooses and so will have them available for the ME3 mission.
Ashley or Kaidan arrive to assist Shepard with coordinating with the immediate Alliance response to the Reaper attack as well as to act as a liason of the Systems Alliance as Shepard heads around the galaxy looking for support.
Grunt will remain on board with Shepard as Shepard is his battlemaster and Grunt is one of his biggest heavy hitters. Shepard with coordinate the Krogan efforts remotely through Wrex and if something on Tuchanka needs his attention he will address it personally.
Liara will continue to act as the SB and use "his" network and resources to Shepard's advantage as long as possible. Once the Reapers realize such a powerful network is being used against them they'll take steps to eliminate the threat. Shepard will rescue Liara before the SB ship is shot down and she will then rejoin Commander Shepard and serve as a liason to the asari should the need arise.
Mordin will travel to the Citadel to work on efforts their of trying to figure out the best way to neutralize the Reaper dreadnoughts (a virus is the tried and true method but I wouldn't mind seeing BW come up with something more original).
Jacob and Miranda are the ones that should definitely stay on, IMO. They really have no where else to go currently being former Cerberus and being part of the crew that saves the galaxy with Shepard should earn them a few bonus points in the eyes of the Alliance and Council. Besides that those two are very familiar with SR-2 and its day to day operations as well as being proven field commanders. Miranda is also familiar with the augmentations Shepard received in ME2 and should any complications arise she would be on board to help him compensate.
Garrus, another accomplished field commander and badass. Though Miranda is Shepard's official second in command I like to think that Garrus is Shepard's "man" who will be there for him no matter what. As for a Turian liason Shepard would have to rely on someone new or Captain/Councilor Anderson or Ambassador/Council Udina to facilitate with the Turian Councilor.
Jack will either go her own way or stay for the action (or stay with Shepard depending on their relationship status).
Samara is drawn to impossible causes and if BW plays true to her character she will likely also remain on board.
Zaeed is a wild card. If he killed Vito he might stay on for the glory or promise of a bigger paycheck. If he didn't then he might use the Reaper threat as a distraction and hunt down Vito alone.
Kasumi doesn't like the attention but given what happened in ME2 (especially her thoughts when she joined the squad that took boarded the Collector ship) I don't think she'll be going anywhere anytime soon (again provided BW plays true to her character).
Thane, if he's still functional - great. If not then I'm not really sure how he'll fit in.
Morinth - your joking right?
About it, leaves room for some new squadmates especially if you choose to not bring along some of your original squads.
Tali and Legion go to the Quarian and Geth fleets to begin marshaling their respective fleets for battle with the Reapers. They can rejoin Shepard later as ambassadors to their peoples later if the player chooses and so will have them available for the ME3 mission.
Ashley or Kaidan arrive to assist Shepard with coordinating with the immediate Alliance response to the Reaper attack as well as to act as a liason of the Systems Alliance as Shepard heads around the galaxy looking for support.
Grunt will remain on board with Shepard as Shepard is his battlemaster and Grunt is one of his biggest heavy hitters. Shepard with coordinate the Krogan efforts remotely through Wrex and if something on Tuchanka needs his attention he will address it personally.
Liara will continue to act as the SB and use "his" network and resources to Shepard's advantage as long as possible. Once the Reapers realize such a powerful network is being used against them they'll take steps to eliminate the threat. Shepard will rescue Liara before the SB ship is shot down and she will then rejoin Commander Shepard and serve as a liason to the asari should the need arise.
Mordin will travel to the Citadel to work on efforts their of trying to figure out the best way to neutralize the Reaper dreadnoughts (a virus is the tried and true method but I wouldn't mind seeing BW come up with something more original).
Jacob and Miranda are the ones that should definitely stay on, IMO. They really have no where else to go currently being former Cerberus and being part of the crew that saves the galaxy with Shepard should earn them a few bonus points in the eyes of the Alliance and Council. Besides that those two are very familiar with SR-2 and its day to day operations as well as being proven field commanders. Miranda is also familiar with the augmentations Shepard received in ME2 and should any complications arise she would be on board to help him compensate.
Garrus, another accomplished field commander and badass. Though Miranda is Shepard's official second in command I like to think that Garrus is Shepard's "man" who will be there for him no matter what. As for a Turian liason Shepard would have to rely on someone new or Captain/Councilor Anderson or Ambassador/Council Udina to facilitate with the Turian Councilor.
Jack will either go her own way or stay for the action (or stay with Shepard depending on their relationship status).
Samara is drawn to impossible causes and if BW plays true to her character she will likely also remain on board.
Zaeed is a wild card. If he killed Vito he might stay on for the glory or promise of a bigger paycheck. If he didn't then he might use the Reaper threat as a distraction and hunt down Vito alone.
Kasumi doesn't like the attention but given what happened in ME2 (especially her thoughts when she joined the squad that took boarded the Collector ship) I don't think she'll be going anywhere anytime soon (again provided BW plays true to her character).
Thane, if he's still functional - great. If not then I'm not really sure how he'll fit in.
Morinth - your joking right?
About it, leaves room for some new squadmates especially if you choose to not bring along some of your original squads.
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Posté 14 décembre 2010 - 10:26
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Everyone has an interesting approach on how to treat the squad. If we can't have no one from both games as squad mates I think working with them as temporary squad mates on specific missions is a great compromise. Just like how Liara became a temporary squadmate in LOTSB.
Maybe after we work with each character in their mission. They join up with Shepard somewhere near the end of the game.
Maybe after we work with each character in their mission. They join up with Shepard somewhere near the end of the game.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 07:51
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smudboy wrote...
1. Shepard, on death, cannot be imported into ME3.Thundertactics wrote...
Shepard can die too, (s)he can't have much more than a cameo in ME3.
Sure, you might say (s)he's integral to the plot, but that was only the case for ME1 and 2, (s)he can easily be written out of ME3. Perhaps (s)he decided to spend the rest of his days with his/her LI of choice. Or (s)he became a leader figure while a new character has to take the role of frontline soldier. Or (s)he died of old age before the Reapers arrive.
But in all seriousness, threads like these are filled with so much negativity, I'd rather not visit them at all. It's nice to see it's all aggregated into one sticky. But if people could just have a little faith in BioWare to do the right thing, story-wise and the most logical action economically and on a time-scale, I might have bit more incentive to visit the forums again, rather than assume it's the same old crap, rehashed over and over again.
2. Shepard is not integral to the plot of ME2.
3. I wish Shepard wouldn't be the main character of ME3, but "this is Shepard's story" crap.
4. Not negativity: simple observations. We get negative on fools who don't know what observations are.
I don't care this is necro thread and I'm replying to banned user, but this the STUPIDEST statement I have ever read on this forum.
And I read ZULU's and Saphra's posts.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 03:52
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Obviously, since the creation of this thread, there has been more revelations about returning squadmates in Mass 3. Liara, Kaishley, Garrus, Tali and possibly Legion are all permanent in the party. And I'm going to hazard a guess that we'll get 9 squadmates in the pre-packaged (Not including DLC) total. That's comfortable and not too much. So, the guessing game really begins.
Most likely returning squadmates in my mind:
Garrus
Tali
Kaishley
Liara
Legion
Jack
Miranda
Thane
Jacob
Honestly, this is an obvious list. All previous Love Interests are there. Poor Legion, getting stuck into a ship full of people who want to bone Shepard. (Then Legion gets consensus that it, too, should want to bone Shepard. "There was a hole.")
In any case, I don't see them at this point pimping out particular LI's more than others. That would just serve to ****** off the community at large. If I was forced to hang around with Ashley, Liara and Miranda and all of them wanted Shepard's dick which belongs to Jack (Cheating on Jack: Not recommended. Especially after she opened up all the way with Shepard). In any case, here's my reasoning for each (Not including already confirmed squadmates and LI-ness aside):
Jack: Really nowhere else to go. She pretty much says that she'll stick with someone until she thinks that they want her dead, and I'm fairly certain that she trusts Shepard, EVEN IF you sided with Miranda for some reason.
Miranda: She spent two years on Shepard. At this point, his life is her life and I don't see why she'd just bail. I wouldn't be surprised if she preferred to ditch TIM for Shep, EVEN IF you sided with Jack, which most should've done.
Jacob: He doesn't particularly trust Cerberus anyway, is former Alliance and has the open invitation to go back to them. Since it seems as though Shepard is doing so (unfortunately) in Mass 3, and Jacob is invested in Lazarus, it serves to purpose that he'd join up.
Thane: Provided that he doesn't die at some point before Mass 3 begins (Which would be ridiculously gay), I wouldn't be surprised if he hung around. He doesn't seem to mind the idea of death, and joining a ragtag team of misfits to bring down thousands of enormous sentient space ships seems like a good way to go out in a blaze of glory, much more so than the Collectors. Plus, remaining active like this is good for him, per Chakwas's report.
Here are my reasons for why other crew won't show up:
Grunt: Probably could help out with Tuchanka. Okeer implanted all sorts of great war strategies and ship weaknesses into his brain. He could easily become a great Krogan warlord and help defend the Krogan to the threatening galaxy who certainly wants to see the Krogan dead.
Samara: She'll go on her merry way. I think that Samara would make up some bull**** excuse not to stick around, like she's needed in Asari space to find a new fugitive or something (Or Morinth if she's still alive).
Morinth: Do you really expect her to hang out? She seems like the type who'd jump ship almost immediately after the Collector Base, so that she can go kill some more.
Mordin: Likely needed on Sur'Kesh. The way that the demo was going, it certainly didn't look like Mordin'd be rejoining you on the Normandy. And if he does, it's in the rumored Chakwas-like role. Especially since she can die in Mass 2, he may take over that role (provided that HE'S alive)
Kasumi: The fact that she's DLC doesn't help. But, I find that she doesn't really care that much about the Collectors and Reapers and that she'd rather just live her life the way she wants to. I don't see her returning as a squadmate at all. Maybe in Jacob's post-story, but not in game.
Zaeed: Again, DLC doesn't help, but we know he's at least IN the game somewhere. Likely leading the Blue Suns or still tracking down Vido, depending on your choices. Either way, he wouldn't want to join Shepard. He'd be like Wrex- Trying to lead a bunch of guys to survival in the greatest threat we've ever known.
Most likely returning squadmates in my mind:
Garrus
Tali
Kaishley
Liara
Legion
Jack
Miranda
Thane
Jacob
Honestly, this is an obvious list. All previous Love Interests are there. Poor Legion, getting stuck into a ship full of people who want to bone Shepard. (Then Legion gets consensus that it, too, should want to bone Shepard. "There was a hole.")
In any case, I don't see them at this point pimping out particular LI's more than others. That would just serve to ****** off the community at large. If I was forced to hang around with Ashley, Liara and Miranda and all of them wanted Shepard's dick which belongs to Jack (Cheating on Jack: Not recommended. Especially after she opened up all the way with Shepard). In any case, here's my reasoning for each (Not including already confirmed squadmates and LI-ness aside):
Jack: Really nowhere else to go. She pretty much says that she'll stick with someone until she thinks that they want her dead, and I'm fairly certain that she trusts Shepard, EVEN IF you sided with Miranda for some reason.
Miranda: She spent two years on Shepard. At this point, his life is her life and I don't see why she'd just bail. I wouldn't be surprised if she preferred to ditch TIM for Shep, EVEN IF you sided with Jack, which most should've done.
Jacob: He doesn't particularly trust Cerberus anyway, is former Alliance and has the open invitation to go back to them. Since it seems as though Shepard is doing so (unfortunately) in Mass 3, and Jacob is invested in Lazarus, it serves to purpose that he'd join up.
Thane: Provided that he doesn't die at some point before Mass 3 begins (Which would be ridiculously gay), I wouldn't be surprised if he hung around. He doesn't seem to mind the idea of death, and joining a ragtag team of misfits to bring down thousands of enormous sentient space ships seems like a good way to go out in a blaze of glory, much more so than the Collectors. Plus, remaining active like this is good for him, per Chakwas's report.
Here are my reasons for why other crew won't show up:
Grunt: Probably could help out with Tuchanka. Okeer implanted all sorts of great war strategies and ship weaknesses into his brain. He could easily become a great Krogan warlord and help defend the Krogan to the threatening galaxy who certainly wants to see the Krogan dead.
Samara: She'll go on her merry way. I think that Samara would make up some bull**** excuse not to stick around, like she's needed in Asari space to find a new fugitive or something (Or Morinth if she's still alive).
Morinth: Do you really expect her to hang out? She seems like the type who'd jump ship almost immediately after the Collector Base, so that she can go kill some more.
Mordin: Likely needed on Sur'Kesh. The way that the demo was going, it certainly didn't look like Mordin'd be rejoining you on the Normandy. And if he does, it's in the rumored Chakwas-like role. Especially since she can die in Mass 2, he may take over that role (provided that HE'S alive)
Kasumi: The fact that she's DLC doesn't help. But, I find that she doesn't really care that much about the Collectors and Reapers and that she'd rather just live her life the way she wants to. I don't see her returning as a squadmate at all. Maybe in Jacob's post-story, but not in game.
Zaeed: Again, DLC doesn't help, but we know he's at least IN the game somewhere. Likely leading the Blue Suns or still tracking down Vido, depending on your choices. Either way, he wouldn't want to join Shepard. He'd be like Wrex- Trying to lead a bunch of guys to survival in the greatest threat we've ever known.
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Posté 26 juin 2011 - 06:07
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Heh I thought this thread sank into the abyss long. Interesting retrospect though.
I guess I was wrong to say "No one is coming back!" and I apologize for my previous callous nature in such regard.
However thus far it seems most of my original suspicions have held the line. It's not really surprising that Ashley/Kaidan and Liara are back as I'm sure they were being held back in ME2 for this very reason now. I'm glad Garrus is confirmed as returning a permanent member, although not entirely surprising given his popularity. I did have to wonder if Bioware would include such characters if simply because. Although Tali's fate remains unknown and she is much in the same position as Garrus. I have a sneaking suspicion though that she will be filling more of a cameo role however given what ME3 footage she's been in.
The same seems to be the case with Legion thus far as well. (The fact neither character has an updated look likely means the samething is happening as did with Ashley/Kaidan in ME2.)
I do I get the impression Jack will return as a squad member if nothing else to be the crazy kick-butt "Vanguard". If she's getting a redesign I think that's a pretty good indication that such is the case. Seems a bit of an odd choice given the ME2 crew, but whatever.
We'll see though I guess.
Mmm so far only Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, and Liara have been shown coming back in full capacity. I heavily suspect Legion and Tali will have "temp" roles at this point. I doubt any other ME2 characters will return to join the Normandy Team. Like I said they probably will have mission roles as we've seen with Mordin. I imagine a lot of Miranda and Tali fans are going to raise hell when they realize their favorite character is being sidelined. Eh I tried to warn folks their favorite characters weren't "plot safe". I feel bad for the coming storm Bioware may end up facing here.
I guess I was wrong to say "No one is coming back!" and I apologize for my previous callous nature in such regard.
However thus far it seems most of my original suspicions have held the line. It's not really surprising that Ashley/Kaidan and Liara are back as I'm sure they were being held back in ME2 for this very reason now. I'm glad Garrus is confirmed as returning a permanent member, although not entirely surprising given his popularity. I did have to wonder if Bioware would include such characters if simply because. Although Tali's fate remains unknown and she is much in the same position as Garrus. I have a sneaking suspicion though that she will be filling more of a cameo role however given what ME3 footage she's been in.
The same seems to be the case with Legion thus far as well. (The fact neither character has an updated look likely means the samething is happening as did with Ashley/Kaidan in ME2.)
I do I get the impression Jack will return as a squad member if nothing else to be the crazy kick-butt "Vanguard". If she's getting a redesign I think that's a pretty good indication that such is the case. Seems a bit of an odd choice given the ME2 crew, but whatever.
We'll see though I guess.
Commander_Adept wrote...
Obviously, since the creation of this thread, there has been more revelations about returning squadmates in Mass 3. Liara, Kaishley, Garrus, Tali and possibly Legion are all permanent in the party. And I'm going to hazard a guess that we'll get 9 squadmates in the pre-packaged (Not including DLC) total. That's comfortable and not too much. So, the guessing game really begins.
Mmm so far only Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, and Liara have been shown coming back in full capacity. I heavily suspect Legion and Tali will have "temp" roles at this point. I doubt any other ME2 characters will return to join the Normandy Team. Like I said they probably will have mission roles as we've seen with Mordin. I imagine a lot of Miranda and Tali fans are going to raise hell when they realize their favorite character is being sidelined. Eh I tried to warn folks their favorite characters weren't "plot safe". I feel bad for the coming storm Bioware may end up facing here.
