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Prothean squadmate for Mass Effect 3
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#26
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 12:24
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that would be sooooo friggin awesome, a major twist to the whole Mass Effect series (in a good way, not in a stupid plothole way)... maybe another undiscovered Illos 2/Prothean Safe Haven where as you can find this prothean team mate...
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 01:07
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Yeah... I'm not too keen on this.
It just doesn't make sense for a Prothean to still be around. I'd love to meet one, but meeting Vigil was good enough. I just can't see one logically being still around. There would have to be a HECK of an explanation.
As for a collector... no. As Mordin says, the collectors are "culturally dead" and are just slaves to the reapers. If one is freed, they'd most likely be just like the indoctrinated the Reapers left behind after the Protheans were extinct. They'd die of starvation. Remember, indoctrination leaves the individual less capable... and Collectors would be likely extremely incapable without Reaper guidance.
It just doesn't make sense for a Prothean to still be around. I'd love to meet one, but meeting Vigil was good enough. I just can't see one logically being still around. There would have to be a HECK of an explanation.
As for a collector... no. As Mordin says, the collectors are "culturally dead" and are just slaves to the reapers. If one is freed, they'd most likely be just like the indoctrinated the Reapers left behind after the Protheans were extinct. They'd die of starvation. Remember, indoctrination leaves the individual less capable... and Collectors would be likely extremely incapable without Reaper guidance.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 01:11
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Not going to happen. The Protheans are not just extinct, but transformed and morphed into Reaper slaves that they aren't even Protheans anymore, they are now the Collectors.
Ilos was the only last bastion of the Protheans, if there were more, they would have been too few for the race to survive the 50,000 years since.
Ilos was the only last bastion of the Protheans, if there were more, they would have been too few for the race to survive the 50,000 years since.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 01:14
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The only thing that killed the Protheans on Ilos in the end was a lack of power. If the high end scientists made it to the citadel, wouldn't they technically have all the power they need? There must have been a way of making a stasis pod there.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 01:46
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Eww Protheans are creepy!
Why do they look so much like husks though is something I've always wondered? Be funny if Husk technology came from them and not actually the Reapers.
Why do they look so much like husks though is something I've always wondered? Be funny if Husk technology came from them and not actually the Reapers.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 01:58
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skiaDUDE wrote...
The only thing that killed the Protheans on Ilos in the end was a lack of power. If the high end scientists made it to the citadel, wouldn't they technically have all the power they need? There must have been a way of making a stasis pod there.
I am not convinced. I suppose they could have had a statis pod contigency plan, but most likely they starved to death like Vigil suggested. Even if they did have a statis pod on the Citadel (which would have been badly damaged from the Reaper invasion--remember, the Reapers rely on the keepers to fix up the Citadel after they destroy it during their mass genocides) the keepers most likely would have tossed it. A stasis pod would not belong on the Citadel and Keepers rearrange things all the time (as overheard in convos from ME1).
regardless... there would have to be an EXCEPTIONALLY good explanation. I just don't buy it. I don't think anyone could come out okay after 50,000 years in a stasis pod. Maybe 1,000 years... but not 50,000. In my mind, the only way there could still be Protheans is if they continued to breed them... Idk, I could believe a Jurassic Park style Prothean clone, but what would be the point of that.
Don't get me wrong, adding a Prothean sounds cool. I just can't see it being believably added into the game.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 01:59
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It was a celebrity,rpg_guy01 wrote...
Mesina2 wrote...
Maybe just one survivor and all energy was focused one that stasis so it remained for 50 000 years.
That would be a good example, BUT Bioware needs a really really good reason WHY this perticularly individual was deemed so important as to be chosen to be kept alive above everyone else (the AI on Ilos kept top scientists alive as per his instructions given to him).
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 02:02
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They went through the "backdoor" of the citadel on Ilos but they ended up dieing because a lack of sustenance.skiaDUDE wrote...
The only thing that killed the Protheans on Ilos in the end was a lack of power. If the high end scientists made it to the citadel, wouldn't they technically have all the power they need? There must have been a way of making a stasis pod there.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 05:43
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lack of food on the citadel? Sure i know that it must be blown to hell from the reapers at that time but its a big place, I think that the possibility of a surviving Prothean holds some possibility still.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 05:47
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skiaDUDE wrote...
lack of food on the citadel? Sure i know that it must be blown to hell from the reapers at that time but its a big place, I think that the possibility of a surviving Prothean holds some possibility still.
For 50'000 years? And with not enough of them left to even produce viable offspring? Sorry, but that is dumb.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 06:44
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I say... extinct is extinct. Well, that's what they said about the Rachni, though, isn't it?
#38
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:33
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what if you saved the Rachni queen she can send you a Rachni trooper to be as a squad mate insted of a Prothean.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:36
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that's like saying earth would still have a t-rex that survived the dino apocalypse /extinction somehow because it was a offspring...mrsph wrote...
skiaDUDE wrote...
lack of food on the citadel? Sure i know that it must be blown to hell from the reapers at that time but its a big place, I think that the possibility of a surviving Prothean holds some possibility still.
For 50'000 years? And with not enough of them left to even produce viable offspring? Sorry, but that is dumb.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:37
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A collecter seems to be pretty much a mindless cyborgish creature that could not take care of itself without some sort of thrall to guide it. (in this case Harbinger.)
A collector without its mind control would probably be like the slaves left behind on the planets during the mass genocide of their race... Sitting their mindlessly till they waste away.
A collector without its mind control would probably be like the slaves left behind on the planets during the mass genocide of their race... Sitting their mindlessly till they waste away.
#41
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:52
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Can we call him Loknar, the Last
#42
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:54
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I love the Orion games! Too bad three was such a buggy mess.
#43
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 08:00
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I really, really like this idea despite that it would lead to problems here and there, and it would be a bit unrealistic if we consider the descriptions about Collectors by Mordin for example.
I think he said that this state they're in CAN NOT be reversed and that only destruction can be their salvation.
BUT...there MAY be a chance of this happening (Collector Drone squad mate) IF you spare the Collector base. Who knows what knowledge it holds? With all their experiments there won't be tech-related things only.
Why I'm in favor of this despite some possible problems? It makes the whole game experience even more unique by having an additional and unique squad mate.
Don't say it's 100% impossible to have something like that in ME3. I mean WHO would've expected a Geth as companion in ME2 after finishing ME1 ? The same thing: An "enemy" basically joins the crew. It would be cool to add the collector remnants (if there are any left) as one of the additional allies. That could be done by doing some quest first to "free" them by using technology that could be in the base, if you save it.
Why that would make sense to have an additional ally? Well...if we look at ME1 and ME2 closely we can predict who could support "us" in the coming war. For example Geth, Krogans...Quarians...and maybe a few others. Depending on your actions not all of them might support you though. Collector remnants may be helpful if you did not properly gain trust of (a) certain (number of) allies.
I know it's still an odd idea, a bit crazy...but this will be MASS EFFECT 3, the last part. Nearly everything in there will be crazy. Besides it would offer a very cool side effect if you spare the base to have an additional ally, and it could make you feel awesome ("Yes, I saved and freed the last remnants of the Proth- err...Collectors" *achievement go*). You basically use the weapons of the Reapers against them, and by that I not just mean technology like weapon or armor stuff.
Also, this squad mate could replace one of the chars that will probably leave Shepard's crew (if they survived). Not all will stay, and it's not known when the Reapers will arrive. I'm guessing it may take them up to 1-3 years. Could be within a year. The game hints that not all crew members will stay, most of them being new crew members. Tali and Garrus...why not.
One thing is safe to say: We'll see new faces (as squad mates) in Mass Effect 3. Will there be a collector drone among them? Highly unlikely, but if the majority of the community can imagine it and agrees on it, then why not?
Are there any groups in favor of this?
It's still crazy but not impossible. Legion is a similar case, despite some major differences compared to a collector.
I think he said that this state they're in CAN NOT be reversed and that only destruction can be their salvation.
BUT...there MAY be a chance of this happening (Collector Drone squad mate) IF you spare the Collector base. Who knows what knowledge it holds? With all their experiments there won't be tech-related things only.
Why I'm in favor of this despite some possible problems? It makes the whole game experience even more unique by having an additional and unique squad mate.
Don't say it's 100% impossible to have something like that in ME3. I mean WHO would've expected a Geth as companion in ME2 after finishing ME1 ? The same thing: An "enemy" basically joins the crew. It would be cool to add the collector remnants (if there are any left) as one of the additional allies. That could be done by doing some quest first to "free" them by using technology that could be in the base, if you save it.
Why that would make sense to have an additional ally? Well...if we look at ME1 and ME2 closely we can predict who could support "us" in the coming war. For example Geth, Krogans...Quarians...and maybe a few others. Depending on your actions not all of them might support you though. Collector remnants may be helpful if you did not properly gain trust of (a) certain (number of) allies.
I know it's still an odd idea, a bit crazy...but this will be MASS EFFECT 3, the last part. Nearly everything in there will be crazy. Besides it would offer a very cool side effect if you spare the base to have an additional ally, and it could make you feel awesome ("Yes, I saved and freed the last remnants of the Proth- err...Collectors" *achievement go*). You basically use the weapons of the Reapers against them, and by that I not just mean technology like weapon or armor stuff.
Also, this squad mate could replace one of the chars that will probably leave Shepard's crew (if they survived). Not all will stay, and it's not known when the Reapers will arrive. I'm guessing it may take them up to 1-3 years. Could be within a year. The game hints that not all crew members will stay, most of them being new crew members. Tali and Garrus...why not.
One thing is safe to say: We'll see new faces (as squad mates) in Mass Effect 3. Will there be a collector drone among them? Highly unlikely, but if the majority of the community can imagine it and agrees on it, then why not?
Are there any groups in favor of this?
It's still crazy but not impossible. Legion is a similar case, despite some major differences compared to a collector.
#44
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 12:02
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Hmmmm.... sounds like it could work, but I'd rather have a Batarian squadmate who would constantly argue with my Renegade FemShep about Torfan. That's just me anyway.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 01:24
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souind great a batharian if some remember from ME2 garrus said one of his squad mate was a batarian mechnic , it's good really good idea to have a batraian as a new squad mate on the normandy.
#46
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 03:13
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Let's all go out for frosty chocolate milkshakes!
Seriously though, I'm looking at it like this. Protheans are extinct until we see one waving it's hand at us.
The Collectors on the other hand were not Protheans. In fact, it was a giant middle finger that defecated on the Protheans if you asked me via the Reapers.
Seriously though, I'm looking at it like this. Protheans are extinct until we see one waving it's hand at us.
The Collectors on the other hand were not Protheans. In fact, it was a giant middle finger that defecated on the Protheans if you asked me via the Reapers.
#47
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 03:26
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I'm interested in the idea of resurrecting the Protheans. I think it can be done, and the Collectors can provide some raw material. EDI has the missing gene sequences, so they can rebuild Prothean bodies via Lazarus-like technology, and Shepard and Shiala have the Cipher, so their 'essence' can be returned to them as well. Why not?
#48
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 04:19
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I'd rather choose the Drone (Collector) than something that looks like a Husk (Prothean). As squad mate, that is.
#49
Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 02:11
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Look, I hate to look like a dick, and I realize the value of every opinion for a game.
But this one required no thought from me....its just stupid. It's already been mentioned a few times that it would be stupid. I'm surprised how many people are actually open to this idea. Hence why I posted...if it was a stack of 'no' responses I would have just moved on. The reasons have been covered. This just seems like a case of the OP not paying attention to the plot - there's no way that a Collector could regain control over itself because they have been modified to such an extreme extent by the Reapers, they are Protheans only in origin. The collectors are dead. You destroyed the base or you set off a pulse to kill all the Collectors. Since Harbinger released control of the General its logical to assume you have put the final bullet in the Prothean race. They are gone. Completely. As for a cryogenic Prothean...no. I'd like to be able to argue for Mass Effect's great plot with others, rather than have to defend its stupid plot elements, and this one would be one of those things.
But this one required no thought from me....its just stupid. It's already been mentioned a few times that it would be stupid. I'm surprised how many people are actually open to this idea. Hence why I posted...if it was a stack of 'no' responses I would have just moved on. The reasons have been covered. This just seems like a case of the OP not paying attention to the plot - there's no way that a Collector could regain control over itself because they have been modified to such an extreme extent by the Reapers, they are Protheans only in origin. The collectors are dead. You destroyed the base or you set off a pulse to kill all the Collectors. Since Harbinger released control of the General its logical to assume you have put the final bullet in the Prothean race. They are gone. Completely. As for a cryogenic Prothean...no. I'd like to be able to argue for Mass Effect's great plot with others, rather than have to defend its stupid plot elements, and this one would be one of those things.
#50
Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 02:14
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If I met a prothean, it would either gun it down thinking it is a collector, or gun it down thinking it was a husk. Wouldn't work.
