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[AdamNW]

They just need to take it slower I think.

[TheKillerAngel]

I think they were both weak. There's hardly any mention of the romance outside the Normandy within the same game (except during the suicide mission, if Thane or Jack die as Second Fire Team Leader).

I'm curious, what do they say?



Tough to say. In ME1 I "accidentally" romanced Ashley just by talking to her. As far as my dialogue options went, I didn't interpret our relationship as anything more than being "just friends," but apparently there was no way for me to end it when I realized that the game considered us a pair.



On the other hand, I felt that the conversations with her had more depth than the ones I had with Miranda (or any of the other ME2 love interests), though this may be a result of me having played through ME1 only once and ME2 at least 5-6 times so far (ME1 is fun but incredibly buggy on my PC so it's somewhat of an endurance test). In any case, I liked that things were clearer in Mass Effect 2, though they might have sacrificed depth.

[Nashiktal]

Is it weaker in dialogue? no.



In buildup and in some cases execution? Yes.



Still love it though, whether you like Tali or not... I find her romance amongst the sweetest and touching of all the romances. Rivaled only by Jack.

[Nightwriter]

Both suffer from a chronic lack of content, meaning the content they do have feels small and rushed.

However, I must say I prefer the ME2 style of doing things, where you have to do their loyalty mission, and thus bond with them personally, before the romance starts.

Whereas Liara was all, "I think there's something between us, I like you" like the second you get her back on the Normandy. You don't even know her yet.

[BlackyBlack]

Nightwriter wrote...

I must say I prefer the ME2 style of doing things, where you have to do their loyalty mission, and thus bond with them personally, before the romance starts.

Whereas Liara was all, "I think there's something between us, I like you" like the second you get her back on the Normandy. You don't even know her yet.

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Modifié par BlackyBlack, 08 juillet 2010 - 07:52 .

[II Sl4sh3r II]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I must say I prefer the ME2 style of doing things, where you have to do their loyalty mission, and thus bond with them personally, before the romance starts.

Whereas Liara was all, "I think there's something between us, I like you" like the second you get her back on the Normandy. You don't even know her yet.

This

Agreed

[Nashiktal]

Very good point nightwrighter.

[Cheese Elemental]

+1, Nightwriter. Liara has an awful romance because it's just "Thanks for rescuing me Shepard, please love me now."

[Nightwriter]

Aw, gawsh. Thanks, y'all.

Cheese Elemental wrote...

+1, Nightwriter. Liara has an awful romance because it's just "Thanks for rescuing me Shepard, please love me now."

Lol, well, I think we're meant to believe Liara's affections for you built when she looked you up and read about you.

... Which means her whole romantic interest develops off-screen.

And I DO NOT LIKE that kind of thing. Romantic interest is one thing that I think needs to happen on screen, always.

[CroGamer002]

Both games have pretty short romance.

[Barquiel]

I think Ashley/Kaidan are the best written ME romances, but...

Mesina2 wrote...

Both games have pretty short romance.

this!

[Yana Montana]

Yes.

ME should learn from DA:O, this game and romances in it are fantastic!

Modifié par Yana Montana, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:32 .

[Nightwriter]

Yana Montana wrote...

ME should leran from DA:O, this game and romances in it are fantastic!

Generally, I agree.

However, I do like the ME style of doing things in that the romance pacing runs parallel to the pacing of the game.

In DA:O, you could burn through all the romance content before the game was even a quarter of the way through.

You could try harder to pace it out, sure, but it doesn't give you the same sense of journey.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

The romances in ME2 that I tried as FemShep always seemed to make Shepard into a horny teenager... So they're not romances as such, more of "I need to get some" kinda thing. Or maybe it was just with Jacob.



I liked Tali's though, that was cute.

[Yana Montana]

Tali is a crazy DudeShepard fangirl.

FemShepard wants to rape Jacob with her voice.

Nightwriter wrote...

Generally, I agree.

However, I do like the ME style of doing things in that the romance pacing runs parallel to the pacing of the game.

In DA:O, you could burn through all the romance content before the game was even a quarter of the way through.

You could try harder to pace it out, sure, but it doesn't give you the same sense of journey.

Yeah, the only thing I didn't like about DA:O romance is that we can rush it so easily. The Devs should fix it in DA:O 2.

Modifié par Yana Montana, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:37 .

[Nightwriter]

*has a seizure of excitement at the mention of DA:O 2*

[Yana Montana]

Me too!

[snfonseka]

Nightwriter wrote...

Yana Montana wrote...

ME should leran from DA:O, this game and romances in it are fantastic!

Generally, I agree.

However, I do like the ME style of doing things in that the romance pacing runs parallel to the pacing of the game.

In DA:O, you could burn through all the romance content before the game was even a quarter of the way through.

You could try harder to pace it out, sure, but it doesn't give you the same sense of journey.

Ageed on that.

[Raizo]

Yes.



Not only is alot of the writing sub-standard ( inexcusable considering how solid the writing is for the rest of the game ) but alot of the romances in ME2 hapen to fast.



The thing that frustrates me the most is that alot characters won't talk to you unless you romance them. I genuinely wanted to get to know my crew. I genuinely wanted to help Jack ( even though I am not attracted to her ). Someone at Bioware dropped the ball big time, it's like they thought that no one was interested in charcter development, that the only reason why anyone would bother speaking to the rest of the crew was to get a meaningless ( and very tame ) sex scene.





In ME1 I had to work hard to get Ashely to open up to men, I seriouly courted her and that in return made me feel that my relationship with her truly meant somthing, that it wasn't just a 1 night stand, that she could have become Mrs Shepard somewhere down the line ( then she became a b***h in ME2 ).

[Makkovar]

Raizo wrote...
The thing that frustrates me the most is that alot characters won't talk to you unless you romance them. I genuinely wanted to get to know my crew. I genuinely wanted to help Jack ( even though I am not attracted to her ). Someone at Bioware dropped the ball big time, it's like they thought that no one was interested in charcter development, that the only reason why anyone would bother speaking to the rest of the crew was to get a meaningless ( and very tame ) sex scene.


In ME1 I had to work hard to get Ashely to open up to men, I seriouly courted her and that in return made me feel that my relationship with her truly meant somthing

This. I liked Garrus soo much and I was really happy when I had him back in the crew, I laughed real laugh to his jokes, and then.... "Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of some callibrations" was ALL I could get from him. I heared it so many times! AAARGH! >.<

I really liked the conversations with Ashley in ME1, they were really well-written and I valued her even though I never had the intention of romancing her (I picked Liara even before the game came out). She felt so real with all the poem and beliefs talk...

In ME2, romances make it feel like love is all about sex, and sex ONLY. Guh. I didn't really care if I get to sleep with Tali or not, I wanted to get to know her better... and then again, she only talked about "feeling my skin against hers"...

In some parts, this felt like the writing was worse because it didn't get the time to become better. If all you could talk about with other characters was three sentences of their past and then the whole "have sex with me" thing, how could you hope for anything above the average?

[Ecael]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I think they were both weak. There's hardly any mention of the romance outside the Normandy within the same game (except during the suicide mission, if Thane or Jack die as Second Fire Team Leader).

I'm curious, what do they say?

Thane: I hear it, a sea...
Thane: You look beautiful, my siha...

Jack: Too many of them... I knew I'd get hit on this job. I was too happy... too happy with you.

Garrus and Tali don't have a romance-driven line at this part, and Miranda can't die. Jacob apparently has a line for this as well, but it's impossible to obtain since he has to be loyal in order to be romanced.

Jacob: Too many, Shepard. Shields blew. Guess you and I won't get our time...

[Bebbe777]

In ME2 you could actually destroy your romance if you said the wrong thing...in ME1 it was one way only.

[Lucaman]

Ecael wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I think they were both weak. There's hardly any mention of the romance outside the Normandy within the same game (except during the suicide mission, if Thane or Jack die as Second Fire Team Leader).

I'm curious, what do they say?

Thane: I hear it, a sea...
Thane: You look beautiful, my siha...

Jack: Too many of them... I knew I'd get hit on this job. I was too happy... too happy with you.

Garrus and Tali don't have a romance-driven line at this part, and Miranda can't die. Jacob apparently has a line for this as well, but it's impossible to obtain since he has to be loyal in order to be romanced.

Jacob: Too many, Shepard. Shields blew. Guess you and I won't get our time...

Damnit, that's sad ;_;
Is it wrong that I'm now tempted to kill off Jack after the romance?

[Multifarious Algorithm]

Hitting the romance with Miranda frustrated me a little. I don't know why, but she was my sort of "chill out" person on the Normandy - my Shepard enjoyed talking to her since she was kind of level headed, even if we completely disagreed about Cerberus.

My hope for ME3 is that where applicable we'll get a lot more content to resolve the romances. If that content was interwoven throughout the main narrative more would be nice. And hell, more ability to develop friendships with your team - I wanted to go drinking with Jacob and Garrus. And Kasumi.

EDIT: "I remember me". That sidequest scared the bejesus out of me when I first got it in ME1. Unlike problems I could solve by killing everybody, it hit me all of a sudden that I had no idea what was going to set that girl off, and I was stepping unbelievably cautiously through the dialog, and paying a lot of attention to what was said.

Anyway - that's what the relationships in ME3 should be like - a test of what you know about that character, is what you think Shepard is and they think Shepard is actually compatible.

Modifié par Multifarious Algorithm, 08 juillet 2010 - 02:19 .

[FourSixEight]

The ME2 romance dialogs were definitely better, but not by much.