Lets assume that Shepard saved the council at the end of Mass effect 1 and destroyed the collector base in Mass effect 2. Then which species would currently be the most powerful in terms of miltary strength?
Which species is the most powerful?
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#3
Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 06:03
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Well Bioware seem to love making humans supernatural forces of nature that somehow managed to populate 50% of the galaxy in 30 years (just look at how many humans there are in the two games in comparison to the aliens), that apparently have incredible genetic diversity and are a direct target of the Reapers (though that's more to do with Shepard being a supernatural force of nature).
And after all that, I still prefer me some turians. God damn do they look awesome.
And after all that, I still prefer me some turians. God damn do they look awesome.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 06:04
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Asari. I beleive a Krogan says that they're the most pwoerful warriros and that it's a good thing there aren't many asari warriors around. Plus you hear Liara talk about them like their god like "have youever faced an asari commando unit before?" hell I know the toughest boss battle was Benezia and her asari with that crippling biotic power.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 06:23
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Humans - no other species has that kind of determination.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 06:51
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They all have their strengths and weaknesses.
Turians are extremely disciplined and have a powerful military organization, but the average individual lacks flexibility and initiative. Remarkably, they are not all that particularly prone to violent behavior and tend more to be immovable objects rather than unstoppable forces. They seek to find their place and keep others in theirs, but they are not overly expansionist.
Asari live extremely long and can therefor develop skills to a point of refinement that few species have the opportunity to, providing their reputation as some of the most skilled warriors in the galaxy. However, their skills tend toward special operations such a guerrilla warfare and surgical strikes rather than taking and holding territory by brute force. Asari also have a long period of their lives before they reproduce, which means that even though they have a long life-span, their population growth is not overwhelming, and they have a harder time recovering from large shocks to the population than other species, and new soldiers still take time to train.
Salarians will almost always have the intel advantage in any fight, and their method of reproduction can provide a very steady stream of manpower if required. Salarians learn quickly as well, which means they can more quickly grow their forces to respond to a threat. They are also adept at approaching conflicts from a different angle than the traditional head-on conflict, as demonstrated by the Genophage.
Krogans have many advantages ranging from regenerative ability, physical strength, long life-span, and until the Genophage, a very high birth rate. However, their birthrate has been stemmed, and their overly aggressive nature can bring them easily into traps and prevents widespread cooperation unless it is tempered by a strong leader (IE: Wrex). They also do not tend toward intellectual pursuits, though some obviously have, and they are not actually lacking in intelligence.
Humans are aggressive and individualistic, but not so much that they need an overbearing leader to force cooperation by force, as long as it is in their interests. Instead, they focus on initiative at a low level and decentralization of command, allowing flexibility at a lower level than a Turian army, but more cohesiveness than a Krogan one. On the down side, Humans can have difficulties unifying against a common threat, as they are used to competing with each other and always trying to get a leg up on the next guy.
Turians are extremely disciplined and have a powerful military organization, but the average individual lacks flexibility and initiative. Remarkably, they are not all that particularly prone to violent behavior and tend more to be immovable objects rather than unstoppable forces. They seek to find their place and keep others in theirs, but they are not overly expansionist.
Asari live extremely long and can therefor develop skills to a point of refinement that few species have the opportunity to, providing their reputation as some of the most skilled warriors in the galaxy. However, their skills tend toward special operations such a guerrilla warfare and surgical strikes rather than taking and holding territory by brute force. Asari also have a long period of their lives before they reproduce, which means that even though they have a long life-span, their population growth is not overwhelming, and they have a harder time recovering from large shocks to the population than other species, and new soldiers still take time to train.
Salarians will almost always have the intel advantage in any fight, and their method of reproduction can provide a very steady stream of manpower if required. Salarians learn quickly as well, which means they can more quickly grow their forces to respond to a threat. They are also adept at approaching conflicts from a different angle than the traditional head-on conflict, as demonstrated by the Genophage.
Krogans have many advantages ranging from regenerative ability, physical strength, long life-span, and until the Genophage, a very high birth rate. However, their birthrate has been stemmed, and their overly aggressive nature can bring them easily into traps and prevents widespread cooperation unless it is tempered by a strong leader (IE: Wrex). They also do not tend toward intellectual pursuits, though some obviously have, and they are not actually lacking in intelligence.
Humans are aggressive and individualistic, but not so much that they need an overbearing leader to force cooperation by force, as long as it is in their interests. Instead, they focus on initiative at a low level and decentralization of command, allowing flexibility at a lower level than a Turian army, but more cohesiveness than a Krogan one. On the down side, Humans can have difficulties unifying against a common threat, as they are used to competing with each other and always trying to get a leg up on the next guy.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:28
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If you mean by military might? Turians.
Economic? In terms of actual wealth and economic power, its either salarians or asari. Can't quite remember which... but I think its the salarians.
In the diplomatic channels its obviously the Asari. Founders of the citadel, creator of the council.
In terms of physical strength, I think its either the elcor or the Krogan. I'm going with krogan due to how sluggish the elcor are.
In terms of agility, from what I have seen in game... Humans if you don't count biotics or assassin training.
In terms of fleet size? Quarians, they are also the strongest in ai and ship maintenance.
in terms of adaptability? physically its the vorcha, otherwise the humans.
Biotics? Asari.
When it comes down to it, humans really arnt that widespread if you think about it. All the colonies are very young, transported from a very overcrowded home-world. Our military might is quite small compared to any of the council races, (especially the Turians) and our economy is just starting up in the galactic community.
Economic? In terms of actual wealth and economic power, its either salarians or asari. Can't quite remember which... but I think its the salarians.
In the diplomatic channels its obviously the Asari. Founders of the citadel, creator of the council.
In terms of physical strength, I think its either the elcor or the Krogan. I'm going with krogan due to how sluggish the elcor are.
In terms of agility, from what I have seen in game... Humans if you don't count biotics or assassin training.
In terms of fleet size? Quarians, they are also the strongest in ai and ship maintenance.
in terms of adaptability? physically its the vorcha, otherwise the humans.
Biotics? Asari.
When it comes down to it, humans really arnt that widespread if you think about it. All the colonies are very young, transported from a very overcrowded home-world. Our military might is quite small compared to any of the council races, (especially the Turians) and our economy is just starting up in the galactic community.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:30
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yummysoap wrote...
Well Bioware seem to love making humans supernatural forces of nature that somehow managed to populate 50% of the galaxy in 30 years (just look at how many humans there are in the two games in comparison to the aliens), that apparently have incredible genetic diversity and are a direct target of the Reapers (though that's more to do with Shepard being a supernatural force of nature).
And after all that, I still prefer me some turians. God damn do they look awesome.
I would not mind if Bioware went back and altered the timeline to say Humans have had use of the Mass Relay for 130 years and not 30.
In the first game I thought it made no sense that so much had happened in such a tiny amount of time. That's just a case of bad writing. Well, that and the whole First Contact War idea. The Turians have been spacefairing for a 1,000 years or more. Right? So here comes humanity who just discovered the mass relay and it's technology and we defeated the Turians in the first battle and got our captured colony back? Hrm....
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:35
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^To be fair, it sounds like it was just a small force that highly underestimated their enemy. That combined with the turians not expecting any sort of organized fleet resistance helped big.
Also remember as the Turians were about to mobilize for full war, (bringing to bear a fleet that not only would outclass the Alliance with the likes of dreadnoughts, but with faaaar superior numbers as well) they were thankfully stopped by the council.
Also remember as the Turians were about to mobilize for full war, (bringing to bear a fleet that not only would outclass the Alliance with the likes of dreadnoughts, but with faaaar superior numbers as well) they were thankfully stopped by the council.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:42
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It's kind of pointless, I think, to discuss military might, when all of the 3 races are in each other's business so much they could destroy each other from the inside.
If the turians turned against the asari the asari could just negotiate with the volus to reject them as a client race and the turian economy would collapse.
If either race turned against the salarians the salarians could just use the STG to bring down their governments from within.
If the other two came against the turians they'd be facing the biggest military fleet in the galaxy.
It's tricky like that.
If the turians turned against the asari the asari could just negotiate with the volus to reject them as a client race and the turian economy would collapse.
If either race turned against the salarians the salarians could just use the STG to bring down their governments from within.
If the other two came against the turians they'd be facing the biggest military fleet in the galaxy.
It's tricky like that.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:47
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Kronner wrote...
Humans - no other species has that kind of determination.
Well krogans survived through all kinds of hell and still keep going. I think humans got ingenuity above all races.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:49
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Humans, because we're just so awesome 
Also, genetic diversity, how they've made incredible advancements and steps to put themselves at the top of galactic society (a human company made medi-gel, humans started the blue suns, humans saved the citadel), And humans are a race of action, yet they can use reason as well. While all other races are various extremes of humans, humans have the best (and sometimes worst) of every species rolled into one.
Also, genetic diversity, how they've made incredible advancements and steps to put themselves at the top of galactic society (a human company made medi-gel, humans started the blue suns, humans saved the citadel), And humans are a race of action, yet they can use reason as well. While all other races are various extremes of humans, humans have the best (and sometimes worst) of every species rolled into one.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:53
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Actually the Volus are so interdependent upon the Turians that their is no way they would just up and leave because of the Asari. That is how they work.
If the Salarians and the Asari team against the Turians, their fleet size should be about equal thanks to the treaty that limits ship building.
The Salarian STG while very formidable... Do you honestly think that they can simply destroy the Government with a simple word? Not only would they have to deal with EVERY planetary leader, they would have to deal with a government that would be increasingly aware of the threat, and as such will suffer. (Of course a Salarians doctrine is to win the war before fighting...)
If the Salarians and the Asari team against the Turians, their fleet size should be about equal thanks to the treaty that limits ship building.
The Salarian STG while very formidable... Do you honestly think that they can simply destroy the Government with a simple word? Not only would they have to deal with EVERY planetary leader, they would have to deal with a government that would be increasingly aware of the threat, and as such will suffer. (Of course a Salarians doctrine is to win the war before fighting...)
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:54
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With the circumstances that the OP presented, I think it would be safe to say that the turians are still the strongest if we're STRICTLY speaking in terms of fleet size and naval capacity, it gets kind of repetitive to list all the advantages each species has over the other. The turians are the traditional peace-keepers and are allowed to retain the largest number of dreadnoughts. Even if they lost a good number of ships at the Citadel in ME1, that's only the forces they decided to contribute to the Citadel Fleet, they will still have military forces to protect their individual systems.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:56
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I doubt the Turian fleet was diminished in any significant way during the battle of the citadel. From what I can gather, that was the "citadel fleet" or the c-sec forces. Completely separate from the Turians main fleet.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 07:59
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Nashiktal wrote...
Actually the Volus are so interdependent upon the Turians that their is no way they would just up and leave because of the Asari. That is how they work.
If the Salarians and the Asari team against the Turians, their fleet size should be about equal thanks to the treaty that limits ship building.
The Salarian STG while very formidable... Do you honestly think that they can simply destroy the Government with a simple word? Not only would they have to deal with EVERY planetary leader, they would have to deal with a government that would be increasingly aware of the threat, and as such will suffer. (Of course a Salarians doctrine is to win the war before fighting...)
All the asari would have to do is promise to fulfill the turians' role as the volus's military protectors. Problem solved!
Even if the asari and salarians teamed up, it would be a brutal fight. Both sides would take heavy losses. This fact preserves the power balance.
And intel is very, very powerful. I didn't appreciate that until Captain Kirrahe's speech (which was way cool, unexpectedly cool in fact).
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 08:07
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What? From what I understand the Asari don't have a true dedicated military. On land its all tribes, or provided my city milita, and in space they have a much smaller fleet than the Turians. Problem is not solved! In fact... More problems!
The fact of the matter is, we can speculate all we want, but its not an open or shut case here. Waaay to many variables for prediction.
You are also forgetting the humans in the power struggle. Yet another variable to throw a wrench in any clear predictions. Who would they side with? The humans own internal political parties would be thrown in every direction as everyone tries to make a decision for who to side with.
The fact of the matter is, we can speculate all we want, but its not an open or shut case here. Waaay to many variables for prediction.
You are also forgetting the humans in the power struggle. Yet another variable to throw a wrench in any clear predictions. Who would they side with? The humans own internal political parties would be thrown in every direction as everyone tries to make a decision for who to side with.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 08:15
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Just my impression:
Military:
1 Turians
2 Asari
3 Salarians and humans contests that position.
Economicaly:
1 Asari
2 Turian
3 Salarians
4 Volus
5 Elcor
6 Humans
Politicaly and culturaly:
1 Asari
2 Turians
3 Salarians and humans contests that position.
Overall:
1 Asari
2 Turians
3 Salarians
4 Humans
5 Volus
6 Elcor
It's also worth to note that asari, turians, salarians and volus have a very long tradition of being in a close alliance probably controlled mostly by the asari.
Military:
1 Turians
2 Asari
3 Salarians and humans contests that position.
Economicaly:
1 Asari
2 Turian
3 Salarians
4 Volus
5 Elcor
6 Humans
Politicaly and culturaly:
1 Asari
2 Turians
3 Salarians and humans contests that position.
Overall:
1 Asari
2 Turians
3 Salarians
4 Humans
5 Volus
6 Elcor
It's also worth to note that asari, turians, salarians and volus have a very long tradition of being in a close alliance probably controlled mostly by the asari.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 08:16
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Humans still have a much smaller fleet, and active army than the Salarians. I would bump them a little lower until they build up some more.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 08:17
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Reapers are the most powerful race in the galaxy.
Them or the Geth.
Them or the Geth.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 08:18
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Lol.
I know I'm not supposed to think so, but I've always had just a really hard time believing that a race that's lived a fraction of the time the other races have is supposed to have equal military/technological power.
And the explanation we're given for our success is something like, "Humans are determined! We're more determined than other races! We're, like, tenacious!"
Aw, maybe it's just me.
I know I'm not supposed to think so, but I've always had just a really hard time believing that a race that's lived a fraction of the time the other races have is supposed to have equal military/technological power.
And the explanation we're given for our success is something like, "Humans are determined! We're more determined than other races! We're, like, tenacious!"
Aw, maybe it's just me.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 08:22
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Now that I can agree with Nightwriter. Though humans are set up to be a very significant force in the galaxy, they are far from the strongest in military might.
(What was the official military strength for the humans? 2% of their entire population? Compared the the Turians where every single person needs to enlist in the military to become a citizen.)
(What was the official military strength for the humans? 2% of their entire population? Compared the the Turians where every single person needs to enlist in the military to become a citizen.)
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 08:28
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Nashiktal wrote...
(What was the official military strength for the humans? 2% of their entire population? Compared the the Turians where every single person needs to enlist in the military to become a citizen.)
I know, this in particular was a huge issue for me. When I found out every single member of the turian nation joins the military, I was all, "Like, zoinks, Scoob!"
How can we compete? Perhaps the fact that wars are waged in space now rather than on foot, meaning numbers are not as important, makes some kind of difference... I'm not sure.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 08:28
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@Nightwriter: Well it's at least two of us thinking that is a bit far fetched. Perhaps they think the game will sell better if insecure people who needs to play as the race of supermen that becomes biggest and best at everything in no time get what they want. My race have the biggest "ships" and all that you know.
