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[Nightwriter]

It's the Humans Are Special Trope, of course, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

I've always felt like the ME series sort of makes a special effort to explain these kinds of things. In fact I've been mildly impressed by it in the past.

I keep waiting for an explanation for this, as well - like, say, dependence on Mass Relay technology means the Council races haven't bothered to develop new technology of their own, meaning they're about as technologically developed as we are. Or something.

[Combine08]

Most powerful "race" ? Easy..



The Geth! Who else? There are supposed to be billions in the veil / beyond it (can't remember which of these). Krogans...may be strong as inviduals or in certain groups, but don't let that fool you. They don't have the numbers to do much damage on a larger scale, due to the Genophage and their lack of will to unite completely to work on possible solutions. You've seen their homeworld. Quote: "...this rock is barely worth standing on." And that's what the "perfect Krogan" said.



Turians...probably the best of all organic races in terms of military power. But I think it's safe to say that NO race can compete with the Geth on their own.



It you doubt that statement, let me help you a bit to reconsider your doubts. Have you seen...Geth beggars? Geth diplomats? Geth criminals? No. Another example: Look at your real countries. This is a really good example. Countries may as well resemble the different organic races. Only a certain percentage out of all people of a country serve in the military. Same with the races.



You all get what I mean by now. Let's make it totally easy: Not every organic is a soldier or has combat experience but EVERY Geth has.



For a race to win against the Geth they'd have to use far superior technology to make up with the overall lack of numbers, if they are at direct war. Morale and health plays a role for organics too. Geth don't care. They more or less only lose resources (= mobile platforms = Geth types). They don't feel pain. You shot a Geth? Well great for you but you only shot a "shell". The programs will be uploaded into another "mobile platform".



Apart from that, the Geth seem to have the best technology too...and enough resources for mobile platforms. With that in mind...we all should come to the conclusion that only an alliance of at least two organic races may be up to fight the Geth with chances of success.



While the Reapers are stronger, "Gods" if you want, I don't really count them among the standard "races" of the Milky Way so I won't say anything about them. It should be clear anyway....same with the Geth though. An alliance is needed to overcome them.

[Nightwriter]

Yes, Combine, but on their backs...



... All I'm sayin'.

[Spornicus]

The geth aren't individuals. We are all geth. That is why there are no "geth beggars." There is simply geth.

[lovgreno]

Yeah the geth seems to be very powerfull but they also seem to be quite easy to hack.

[Hepzi3]

Geth + Reapers > all.



Geth = Reapers .



Turians > Humans

Asari > Salarians

Humans > Salarians

Salarians > Krogan



Will update later.

[CroGamer002]

Humans.

[Combine08]

I just found more "evidence" that indicates that the Geth are the strongest of all "races".

We should know that all of the Geth we encountered were part of the "violent faction", the Heretics...those who fight for the Reapers. Those who had troops / strike teams all over the Galaxy at key points. Those who invaded Eden Prime and attacked the Citadel. We all saw how the Citadel's defense failed. As far as I know Nazara (Sovereign) didn't actively engage ships and went directly to the Citadel. That means Geth ships and troops were responsible for most of the damage on the Citadel. Sure, the troops had the advantage to attack through the Conduit, but even then they would've destroyed the Destiny Ascension without human assistance AND Commander Shepard's decision to save them (if you did that).

Luckily the main Geth faction live in isolation and aren't as hostile as you think. All Geth outside of the veil were / are heretics. They let the heretics go peacefully after Nazara offered the assistance with the Dyson Sphere. The main Geth didn't want Reaper help. That's why the Virus was there, to convince all Geth to fight for the Reapers which Shepard prevents. That mission that might seem minor to some has giant effects.

If Shepard didn't assist the main Geth faction would turn into heretics. Now the funny thing and scary thing for organics.

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The heretics are roughly 5 % of all Geth. Even less of these 5 % (many remain after ME 1 as we see in ME2) were capable to wipe out the council and Citadel defense in terms of strength.

Well...there we go...that's the evidence. The Geth are the strongest "race", even if they're not organic. They alone can turn the Galaxy into a giant graveyard, I think you don't even need the Reapers for that.

We can be glad that they're on our side (even if you wouldn't help them they'd be neutral to you at best and still against the Reapers). On side note I also think that peace with the quarians will be possible because they seem to repair and "maintain" former Quarian colonies and cities.

I think we gotta be grateful to the Quarians for creating the Geth. Sure, it was horrible but their fault. They attacked first after all. The Geth will be the best ally in the upcoming fight.
Individually, you can hack them, you can disable them...you can damage them. But you can't kill them.

Go Geth!

Modifié par Combine08, 08 juillet 2010 - 10:35 .

[Nightwriter]

You're a geth, aren't you, Combine.

... Can you dance?

[Bebbe777]

Our economy is no where near the the other Council races. 3% of humanity is part of the Alliance military and we are classified as a "sleeping giant" by the Citadel. Politicallty as you can see in ME2 we are a Council race but we have a hard time getting the Council on our side.



I would say that the Asari and Turians are still stronger than us, Salarians too but we are quite close to their power. And we can kick the Batarians any day.

[InvaderErl]

Militarily speaking, I get the impression the Geth are the most powerful single force in the galaxy.



The Krogans I suppose pre-Genophage.



Among the citadel races, the Turians.

[Combine08]

Nightwriter wrote...

You're a geth, aren't you, Combine.

... Can you dance?

<:: Dancing is irrelevant to us.

*Looks around, everyone is gone*

*Starts to do the Robot*

[InvaderErl]

Legion's secret shame.

[Collider]

The volus, due to Biotic God.

[Combine08]

Before I forget...

"Geth in my extranet?"

It's more likely than you think!

They're not even superior in military terms, they have good general intel about what's going on in the galaxy too, apparently.

[Nightwriter]

Combine08 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

You're a geth, aren't you, Combine.

... Can you dance?

<:: Dancing is irrelevant to us.

*Looks around, everyone is gone*

*Starts to do the Robot*

I KNEW IT!!

[InvaderErl]

That's it. Shake that robotic behind.



Oh yeah.

[InvaderErl]

I made a backup post.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juillet 2010 - 11:00 .

[Raizo]

Depends on what you define as Power.



My moneys on the Asari.



They were the first speices to discover the Mass Relays and the Citadel whcih imlpies that the advanced faster than the other spieces.

In theory all members of the council should be equall but in ME: Revaltion ( the first book ) it was hinted that the Asari member might be the real controlling force behind the council. The council flag ship is also an Asari vessel.

The Asari also have very long life spans. They are well known for thier Biotic skills but they also seem to quite adept at phsyical combat as well. Wrex had trouble with an Asari merc. Aria pretty much kicked the crap out the Patriarch.

Then there is also the issue of the Asari race and their sexuallity. The Asari seem to hold alot of power over all the other spieces ( both men and women ). Sex can be a powerful asset or a weapon in the right/wrong hands.



As far as I am concerned the Asari are the most powerful race in the ME Universe.

[InvaderErl]

I also want to say Nightwriter is spot on with her criticism of how powerful humanity is made out to be in these games.

In less than a century humans go from screwing around on Earth to tackling the Turians head-on, overwhelming the Batarians and becoming a major galactic/cultural/economic power. That's beyond ridiculous.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 08 juillet 2010 - 11:40 .

[didymos1120]

InvaderErl wrote...

I also want to say Nightwriter is spot on with her criticism of how powerful humanity is made out to be in these games.

In less than a century humans go from screwing around on Earth to tackling the Turians head-on, overwhelming the Batarians and becoming a major galactic/cultural/economic power. That's beyond ridiculous.

They didn't tackle the turians head-on.  A rather small turian patrol was tackled head-on, and then there were some skirmishes and other fairly minor military business after that. Oh, and we lost a lot of those post-Shanxi encounters,  often pretty badly (like, entire-scouting-patrol-wiped-out badly).  The turians were in fact *this* close to curb-stomping the living sh!t out of humanity before the Council intervened.  Consider:  to humans, that was the First Contact War.  What do turians call it?  The Relay 314 Incident.  That alone should tell you all you need to know. The whole thing barely lasted three months and the fact is, humanity lucked the f*ck out on that one.

As for the Batarians, what's the problem?  They weren't a race with a lot of political, economic or military power to begin with, and we simply started founding colonies in a region they thought should be theirs and theirs alone.  There was no overwhelming them.  They got pissed at the Council for not deeding them the Verge and tossing the humans out, and took their ball and went home.  Yeah, we wrecked Torfan, but:

a. It was a small moon used as a base by pirates that were presumably, but not certainly, being used as proxies by the Batarian state (i.e., not an actual military installation).
b. The Alliance took some really serious casualties in the process.
c. It took us 2 whole years after the Skyllian Blitz to get around to it.

And that was basically the end of it.  We never directly fought the actual Batarian state, or even entered their home territory.  They didn't have the necessary resources to fight an actual war, and neither did we.  Oh, and they're still in the Verge too. 

As for the major galactic/economic/cultural power thing...I don't think we're quite so ridiculously powerful as many seem to think, but that said, the status of humans in ME-land does strain credulity a fair bit. I don't think that strain is equally distributed though. 

For instance, I don't have a big issue with us curretnly being a significant cultural influence. For one, I just don't think the games lend that much support to the idea of us being a massive cultural influence. Signifcant, yes, but not massive. The asari are queens of that particular hill (per the codex), and I don't think that's going to change too much in the forseeable future.  For two, humans are new and interesting, so we naturally garner a lot of attention (and not all of that is good attention, either). I.e., even though it's been a couple decades, by galactic standards, we're a novelty.  The novelty will wear off, though. 

Our economic success, on the other hand, I find harder to swallow.  It should have been a lot more difficult for us to break into these millenia-old markets and take on corporations that have likely been around for centuries.  Still, it's hard to say exactly how wealthy humanity is in comparison to other races, as there's just not a whole lot to go on.  Given the small number of colonies we have, and the fact that those colonies are all themselves small, I just don't think we're all that close to the other Council races.  I mean if nothing else, they definitely got us beat, handily, in terms of real estate.  I'd also be surprised if we were in the Volus' league.

Modifié par didymos1120, 08 juillet 2010 - 03:32 .

[adam_grif]

As much as I hate them, Asari. They have the largest industrial base without a doubt. If push comes to shove, then the sleeping giant wakes and they have the capability to switch their production to a war-footing, outproducing any other race in the galaxy.



In terms of pure military power on an instance basis ("right now") without taking production into account, Turians take the cake with the largest standing military.

[Combine08]

adam_grif wrote...

In terms of pure military power on an instance basis ("right now") without taking production into account, Turians take the cake with the largest standing military.

Are you sure?