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[Sursion]

The reapers. Duh.

[PissedofatEA]

I am going to go with Humans for two big reasons: Production Capability.

First off, I am sure most of you know of the treaty, which limits the number of dreadnaughts per race. The ratio is 5:3:1, for the Turians, Asari, and humans Respectively. If one of those races declares war on humanity, then there is no reason to hold the treaty. We would instantly jump into production overdrive, we could make dreadnaughts, Thanix cannons, Ect, and, if we were bold enough, we could steal other ships from the other races, or sabotage them. Evidence: U.S.A after pearl harbor and when Hitler declared war on America. Ford industries (I believe) Mass produced the Sherman tank, which outnumbered the panzer tank 4:1.

[Siansonea]

Asari.

[Nightwriter]

Human production capability is greater than the other races'? When is this ever mentioned? You would think that races who have been around for longer would have many more dreadnaught manufacturing facilities.

[Combine08]

Meh. Organic species all individually (each on their own) won't stand a chance against Geth. And Reapers...well that's obviously.

But the Reapers would probably lose if the whole galactic community unites, including the Geth.

Remember...3 % - 5 % of Geth (Herectic faction / pro-Reaper faction) nearly wiped out the Citadel defenses and had troops at key points during Shepard's journey. And let's not forget the invasion on Eden Prime. If these 3 % to 5 % or even less than that (not all Heretics were destroyed after ME1) can do that kind of damage...then imagine all Geth attacking. It'll be like the Reapers...

Erm, yeah...I think I made that point clear and it's pretty useless to state Geth or Reapers so I guess we should limit it to organic races

@PissedofatEA

Yes, "we" could mass produce but that it's not like the first "wave" is completed within a day. The other species would still have the advantage, at least for a while by having the greater number of ships from the beginning...and they may mass produce too.

Modifié par Combine08, 08 juillet 2010 - 05:27 .

[lovgreno]

The vastly larger economies of the other races requires a huge fleet of trade and passenger ships that needs to be serviced and improved constantly to keep up with the competition who must be extreme to say the least. Also new and better ships must be produced all the time, as fast and efficent as possible. Since piracy seems to be a big problem they would probably often be armed as well.

This means they have had huge and efficent shipyards for centuries already plus the economy and organisation to back all that up. Shipyards that can produce warships just as well as trade wessels.

Considering how small the human economy and colonisation is it's a wonder they can even afford their current fleet.

[The Big Nothing]

The volus, obviously.

[Steel Dancer]

Humans.

Because Mass Effect is written by humans, for humans, and all you humans are racist.

Strictly speaking though, it's the turians or the asari.

Both races should have a hell of a lot more ships than were present at the Battle of the Citadel. And,  more pointedly, the asari actually have the resources to build a ship like the Destiny Ascension (even if it is made of tinfoil and wishful thinking).

Modifié par Steel Dancer, 08 juillet 2010 - 07:30 .

[MadInfiltrator]

I'm going to break it down by levels, and limit this to Council Races, because the other races are either limited in info, or to powerful to warrant strong discussion among the others.



On the Level of 1 Soldier



- Turian soldiers are very well trained, and are the most disciplined in the galaxy. They are slightly more powerful physically than humans, and are skilled marksman and follow orders well. They are equipped to fight effectively in most situations, but tend to be relegated to one role, so lose serious ability when not in a team setting. They are also the most reliant on leadership, but never break because of their sense of honor.



- Asari are soldier for soldier the best trained and most proficient species in the galaxy. They all possess natural ability in biotics and have long lifespans with which to train and develop their skills. They are incredibly deadly and possess a wealth of battlefield knowledge and experience. They are less athletic than humans, and weaker in gunfire, but trained well enough that they are more agile than most races, supplemented by biotics.



- Humans are the most well rounded and adaptable species, both in and out of combat. They are good athletes and receive good training as well. Humans are volunteer soldiers, giving them a professionalism and proficiency in most areas that other species, notably turians, lack. Their individualism and adaptability make them excellent solo operators, who are trained to act without leadership or orders. Coupled with their natural competitiveness and drive, they succeed in any combat situation.



- Salarians are incredibly intelligent, and are the foremost intelligence operators in the galaxy. They are very quick thinking, and as such are always a step ahead of their opoonents. Their amphibian nature and speed lends to them both the ability of stealth, and also a supplement to their already manipulative nature of enemies. They are weaker than the other races, but make up for it in planning and suprise.



Winner: Asari



On the Level of Total War



- The Turians have the biggest fleet in Council Space, led by a vast number of dreadnaughts. They are the most rigid of the races, but bring the most fire to bare, and would have a huge upper hand in any sort of lasting war. They are also strong believers in a scorched earth policy, and decimate any civilian, insurgent or guerilla ground force they encounter. They are more defensively minded than other species though.



- The Asari have the largest ship in the Galaxy, and the second biggest fleet. They have very few ground forces though, and are weaker in conventional firefights. They are weaker on the defensive than other races, and apart from their highly trained commandos, they have few real military asset to fall back on. Their society is not truly as prepared for total war as the other three species. They excel in specialized strike missions, but could only do so much if their whole territory was under attack.



- Humans are brilliant tacticians and have masterful offensive strategies that can barely be comprehended by the other species, let alone countered. They have strong ground units that can operate in any situation, and humanity as a whole is very flexible in times of war, not to mention resilient. They do have a small fleet, though, with only a few dreadnoughts, not enough to outlast other fleets.



- The Salarians have excellent planning, and intelligence. They can cripple enemies before they even know that war has begun. They can also break enemy lines right at the outset and destroy production and logistic capabilities of enemies. They also are masters of unconventional warfare. But they do not have the ability to withstand an offensive of the magnitude any of the other races could bring.



Winner: Turians

[MadInfiltrator]

**** double post

Modifié par MadInfiltrator, 08 juillet 2010 - 07:47 .

[mosor]

Humanity has the most potential. While unbelievable in reality, they became competitive in 30 years to other council races who have been around for a couple thousand years. They have a strong military even though only 1% of humans serve on the military.

Physically, humans equal turians for the most part. Only they are more adaptable and have better ingenuity

Humans are the best at adaptation, whether its integrating new tech, or devising military tactics.

Salarians make the best scientists, but humanity would come good second.

While Humanity doesn't have the biotics the Asari do, the numbers of human biotics are increasing, and becoming more powerful.. It doesn't seem biotics are very common with salarians or turians.

While the turians have a superiority with their fleet, humanity have closed the gap in a short time, and will close it further in the near future.

Modifié par mosor, 08 juillet 2010 - 08:33 .

[yummysoap]

^

All true. And I hate it. I hate the truth. I'd have much preferred it if humans were notably less awesome than other species who have over a thousand years experience and technological development within a galactic community. As it stands, humans are either better or have the potential to be better within a small time-frame at certain fields (colonization, military, trades, science, etc.)



The new species mentioned in the Cerberus news feed, the Raloi. It'd be interesting to see if Bioware have them develop as ridiculously fast as humans have.



But, you know. I guess Mass Effect 1 would have been a little silly if humans were incompetent.

[Inquisitor Recon]

In terms of individual strength krogan, they are literally walking main battle tanks.



In terms of overall military might, probably turians closely followed by humans. On an individual level, turians have those claws and aren't as "squishy" plus they seem a bit taller than most humans. However humans know how to turn a chainsaw into a bayonet.

[Annihilator27]

Reapers, For now...........

[didymos1120]

Combine08 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

In terms of pure military power on an instance basis ("right now") without taking production into account, Turians take the cake with the largest standing military.

Are you sure? 

Codex:

"Roughly 1,200 years ago, the turians were invited to join the Citadel Council to fulfill the role of galactic peacekeepers. The turians have the largest fleet in Citadel space, and they make up the single largest portion of the Council's military forces."

Besides, what are the other options:

Asari?

"While fluid and mobile, asari can't stand up in a firestorm the way a krogan, turian, or human could. Since their units are small and typically lack heavy armor and support weapons, they are almost incapable of fighting a conventional war, particularly one of a defensive nature."

Salarians?

"In principle, the salarian military is similar to the Alliance, a small volunteer army that focuses on maneuver warfare. " 

and:

"While capable of defending themselves against most threats, the salarians know that they are small fish in a universe filled with sharks. As a point of survival, they have cultivated strong alliances with larger powers, particularly the turians."

Volus? Yeah, the very few in the military are part of the turian forces, in
support roles. 

Hanar?  Uh-huh. Sure.

Elcor? They're noted for being rather slow, and heavily dependent on VI. Their troops are basically just mounted-weapons platforms.  Not to be messed with lightly, sure, but extremely limited.  It's also implied that they're not that numerous.

Krogan?  Uh, no.

Drell? Fewer of them than even Krogan.

Quarians?  Yeah, big fleet. Only 17 million of them, and they live on that fleet. And most of those ships aren't even remotely military craft.

Humans? 

Earth still isn't unified, and the Alliance isn't that large.  Larger than it was in ME1, but still, hardly vast.  I see no reason why this wouldn't still hold true:

"While competent, Alliance soldiers are neither as professional as the turians nor as skilled as the asari. Their strengths lie in fire support, flexibility, and speed. They make up for lack of numbers with sophisticated technical support (V.I.s, drones, artillery, electronic warfare) and emphasis on mobility and individual initiative."

And no matter what, our total population is still significantly less than the other Council-seat species.  We just haven't had the time to completely fill up a bunch of colony worlds.

It also helps to remember this: every single, solitary turian older than 15 has military training and has served in that military, usually until they're 30.  If nothing else, they've got a ridiculous amount of reserves. 

Yes, after ME1, the turians were down quite a few ships, and humanity had the largest naval presence, but it's explicitly noted that this was at best a very temporary state of affairs.  It provided a fantastic short-term advantage, which was leveraged for a lot of political gains, but it simply cannot last.  Especially after the hits taken by humans in ME2. 

Plus, this wasn't a WWII style situation where all of humanity was mobilized for one, huge war effort.  It was one big, if destructive, battle followed by 2 years of wiping out rather small and mostly isolated pockets of Heretic Geth, and it's hardly as if humanity was the only species taking part in that effort.  There's just simply no way our military made some massive exponential leap in size under those circumstances.  We just had the greatest number of vessels that could be spared for Citadel fleet duties on short notice, and were willing to do so. 

[Combine08]

I was indirectly referring to the Geth as strongest "species" by the time I posted that, didymos1120.

But they don't really count due to that (Every mobile platform is capable of combat or in a support role) and being not organic. I realized that listing them is pointless (kind of), like the Reapers.

Apart from that I agree. Turians logically seem to dominate the organic races in terms of military strength and also in individual physical strength. Garrus, as former soldier, also gives good example on preparations, etc. It's interesting if you think about it...in ME1 he says (I thin) that they usually take batches of roughly 1000 or more soldiers to check them for Spectre candidacy. Sure, compared to the whole size of the galaxy and council government it may not be much but then again...compare that to other races. 1000 asari, salarians or even humans? Nope.

I think with that in mind it's safe to say that Turians win. I think they're also good with developing new things. Look at the SR1 or Thanix canon. Both were co-developed by Turian engineers.

Modifié par Combine08, 09 juillet 2010 - 03:34 .

[NICKjnp]

Pre-genophage Krogan

[Pacifien]

Not even a pre-genophage Krogan can withstand the might of the Pyjak army.

[didymos1120]

Combine08 wrote...

I was indirectly referring to the Geth as strongest "species" by the time I posted that, didymos1120.

But they don't really count due to that (Every mobile platform is capable of combat or in a support role) and being not organic. I realized that listing them is pointless (kind of), like the Reapers.

Well, exactly: I was specifically talking about the standing mlitary criterion, and since that concept doesn't even really apply to them at all, I just ignored them.  I've no doubt they could easily overwhelm organics if they wanted to,  and they certainly understand warfare and all that jazz, but, well, they just plain don't work, think, or behave like us squishies in most respects.  Hell, they don't even bother with names, much less occupations. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 09 juillet 2010 - 05:36 .

[adam_grif]

Combine08 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

In terms of pure military power on an instance basis ("right now") without taking production into account, Turians take the cake with the largest standing military.

Are you sure? 

Unless you get some actual figures for what the Geth have and can do, yes. Vague utterences of "beyond the perseus veil" and "the heretics were a minority" mean nothing because they aren't quantifiable statements. We know the approximate size of the Asari, and they've been around for a looong time. We know that as Peace Keepers of the citadel, the Turians maintain the largest standing military, with the most dreadnoughts.

We know it goes:

Turians > Asari > Salarians > Humans > Heretic Geth.

Exact numbers are unknown, but we don't even have an inkling for what the "true geth" can do. No clue. They might barely outdo the humans, or they might be the most powerful. But until we get some actual intel, yes.

[Nashiktal]

I think of the individual Geth as the cells of their civilization. They upload their "conscious" (I.E. programs) into separate "organs" (I.E. Frames like Destroyers, drones, Armatures, etc.) and perform whatever task is needed of them.



Falling behind in maintenance? Upload a few programs into repair drones. Need some shock troops? Fire up a few destroyer frames. The Geth are certainly the most dangerous. However I still fear the reapers more than them.

[scorptatious]

SandTrout wrote...

They all have their strengths and weaknesses.
Turians are extremely disciplined and have a powerful military organization, but the average individual lacks flexibility and initiative.

At least they have reach.

Modifié par scorptatious, 09 juillet 2010 - 06:03 .