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[MoSa09]

Darth_Trethon wrote...


Not necessarily.....quite a few months passed between when Urthemiel was slain and Awakening which also occupied some time and given that the Darkspawn weren't gone it's entirely possible he was born but even unborn he'd still qualify as a survivor of the blight.

Well, but Awakening was no Blight, just some greater Darkspawn raid. But even then, Awakening happened less than a year after Origins, and it happened only in Amaranthine. So for Hawke to be a survivor of the Blight in a broader meaning, he/she could just have been three months old.

And even more so, Morrigan headed west, into the Frostback Mountains and to Orlais, while Awakening plays in Amaranthine, to the east of Ferelden. For Hawke to be a survivor of this raid, Morrigan must have secrectly sneaked to Amaranthine and has given birth there, completely unnoticed by the Warden there at the same time.

To many if's and unlikely events if you ask me to consider Hawketo possibly be her baby

Edit: and according to the lore of Origins, the Darkspawn raid the surface regularly, but this is never called the Blight. The word Blight is ONLY used if it is certain that an archdemon is leading the horde, and the last Blight ended at the ending of Origins

Modifié par MoSa09, 08 juillet 2010 - 04:02 .

[Darth_Trethon]

MoSa09 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...


Not necessarily.....quite a few months passed between when Urthemiel was slain and Awakening which also occupied some time and given that the Darkspawn weren't gone it's entirely possible he was born but even unborn he'd still qualify as a survivor of the blight.

Well, but Awakening was no Blight, just some greater Darkspawn raid. But even then, Awakening happened less than a year after Origins, and it happened only in Amaranthine. So for Hawke to be a survivor of the Blight in a broader meaning, he/she could just have been three months old.

And even more so, Morrigan headed west, into the Frostback Mountains and to Orlais, while Awakening plays in Amaranthine, to the east of Ferelden. For Hawke to be a survivor of this raid, Morrigan must have secrectly sneaked to Amaranthine and has given birth there, completely unnoticed by the Warden there at the same time.

To many if's and unlikely events if you ask me to consider Hawketo possibly be her baby

Edit:: and according to the lore of Origins, the Darkspawn raid the surface regularly, but this is never called the Blight. The word Blight is ONLY used if it is certain that an archdemon is leading the horde, and the last Blight ended at the ending of Origins

Even so there's also this:

ironcreed2 wrote...

If you think about it, your character may have survived the blight because he/she has the blood of the Arch
Demon within as well. Only later in the game will you meet with an older Morrigan in what could amount to a real "Luke, I am your father"  moment. In this case it would be, "Hawke, I am your Mother" of course, lol.

Not exactly the survivor you'd expect but deffinitely a survivor of the blight.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 08 juillet 2010 - 04:03 .

[snakepunk]

I hope Morrigan is in. She trips and falls of a cliff in the opening cinematic and we never see her again.

[Tiuwaz]

Survivor of the Blight is pretty vague and could mean anything. Hawke could be or could be not Morrigans child.





But more importantly I am still convinced that the whitehaired lady on the art is Morrigan herself.

[MoSa09]

Darth_Trethon wrote...


Not exactly the survivor you'd expect but deffinitely a survivor of the blight.

if they play this fumbling with words game, it might be. But i highly doubt it. We have to wait and see til more is known, but for now, i believe Hawke is unrelated. Besides, to play son or daughter of an old god, where have i heard that before. Baldur's Gate anyone? While i loved that game, i am not sure i wanna replay that story arc being the son of Bhaal and now of Urthemiel all over again.

Bw copying their own plot from ten years back? I hope the writing team has some new ideas instead of making some kind of remake

[Darth_Trethon]

MoSa09 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...


Not exactly the survivor you'd expect but deffinitely a survivor of the blight.

if they play this fumbling with words game, it might be. But i highly doubt it. We have to wait and see til more is known, but for now, i believe Hawke is unrelated. Besides, to play son or daughter of an old god, where have i heard that before. Baldur's Gate anyone? While i loved that game, i am not sure i wanna replay that story arc being the son of Bhaal and now of Urthemiel all over again.

Bw copying their own plot from ten years back? I hope the writing team has some new ideas instead of making some kind of remake

NOT as the son/daughter of an old god.....as a reborn old god. The father would be the warden that slept with Morrigan.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 08 juillet 2010 - 04:11 .

[MoSa09]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

NOT as the son/daughter of an old god.....as a reborn old god.

alright, in BG you were the rebirth of Bhaal, whereas in that DA 2 scenario, you would be the child of an old god.

But it would still be very much alike of you ask me. A dangerous and feared god, now gone, his power now given to you, and you have to find your own place in the world and decide what you would do with your power

[Darth_Trethon]

MoSa09 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

NOT as the son/daughter of an old god.....as a reborn old god.

alright, in BG you were the rebirth of Bhaal, whereas in that DA 2 scenario, you would be the child of an old god.

But it would still be very much alike of you ask me. A dangerous and feared god, now gone, his power now given to you, and you have to find your own place in the world and decide what you would do with your power

You have them backwards lol

BG: son of Bhaal
DA2: (possibly) Urthemiel reborn

[MoSa09]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

You have them backwards lol

BG: son of Bhaal
DA2: (possibly) Urthemiel reborn

oopps, sorry

[ironcreed2]

MoSa09 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...


Not exactly the survivor you'd expect but deffinitely a survivor of the blight.

if they play this fumbling with words game, it might be. But i highly doubt it. We have to wait and see til more is known, but for now, i believe Hawke is unrelated. Besides, to play son or daughter of an old god, where have i heard that before. Baldur's Gate anyone? While i loved that game, i am not sure i wanna replay that story arc being the son of Bhaal and now of Urthemiel all over again.

Bw copying their own plot from ten years back? I hope the writing team has some new ideas instead of making some kind of remake

Depends on your perspective, I guess. For me, this would certainly beat the hell out of just being average Joe Blow who rises to glory. Not to mention that it would tie in what many consider to be the absolute strongest plot element of the first Dragon Age.

This more than anything else in the game is what screamed 'sequel'  to me and for it to unfold like this is what I have been hoping for ever since the credits rolled. To build up to such a powerful and implication filled climax in the first game, only then to just merely make it an an afterthought in the sequel would be pretty stupid, if you ask me.

I realize that not everyone took this path, but it is pretty hard to argue that it is just another path like the others when you consider how it unfolded and what the implications for the future could be. Hell, Morrigan was the most important character in the whole game when you consider what happened and the huge question mark it left of what will become of her and the arch demon child. It is my belief that despite which path you chose, Morrigan and her child was always going to play a major role in the sequel. In any event, we shall see.

Modifié par ironcreed2, 08 juillet 2010 - 04:33 .

[JokerLagz117]

If you reject morrigan's request to have a baby with her , you die or 1 of the grey wardens do at least ..



she leaves and turns into a wolf ...even offering to have a baby with the other grey warden ( allistar or the queens father whose name I forgot..starts with an L ..)



perhaps the baby is had no matter what and the grey wardens are weaker now without any 1 of those men



maybe now we see the other side of this story .. the demons/ old gods side ..perhaps we we're the bad guys in this game and didn't realize it ?



... also look at the elves vs humans they can have a big riot there making you choose exstinction to a race or fix it politically ?



there can be a few wars this time around ..sounds like more fighting less trolling around searching for non story related items...

[BomimoDK]

I don't see what's wrong with having potential for epic power in the PC in DA2. it's going to bring back the feel of BG series. whatever you do influences the fate of more than just you and your party... not just that, but you're not killing wolves anymore. when your blade clashes with the demons magic, the earth trembles and the forests cry! this was the normal boss battle in the latter part of the BG saga. providing a feel of godly power, severity and farstreching consequence is very welcome.

I don't mean onehits and such boring stuff. i mean battling equally epic creatures. like Two high dragons at once, higher demons like Tanar'ri and clashing with godly foes who can wreak serious havok with their own power. now that's welcome.

as for simplifying... well. let's see if and how/what they could simplify. everyone seem to forget that Bioware sequels have a habit of improving and expanding the games. (some disagree about ME2 but it is widely agreed about BG2)

Modifié par BomimoDK, 08 juillet 2010 - 04:32 .

[Fayth18]

I think we will play as Morrigan's kid. Look at the demon arm in the picture...

[SnakeHelah]

We won't play as Morrigan's child. Because Hawke is a blight survivor, and the child is supposed to be born after the blight

[_-Greywolf-_]

SnakeHelah wrote...

We won't play as Morrigan's child. Because Hawke is a blight survivor, and the child is supposed to be born after the blight

Where does it say Hawke is a survivor of the blight? All it says is that Hawke escaped the destruction of his home, where his home is and how it was destroyed hasnt been said.

[0LunarEclipse0]

I was already ticked to not see Morrigan in Awakening. So I actually hope this is the case. I also want to see what my PC from Origins is up to because after awakening I need more. I'm wondering if we have another expansion coming in Febuary. You know from the card thing that came with Awakening.

[Vicious]

Now that you mention it I think you may be right.....it allmost looks like the dragon is the guy's shadow hinting that inside his soul is that of a dragon.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught this.



Morrigan looks like the other mage. She's older, she's got yellow eyes, she's clearly backing up the protagonist a la initial DA1 art where a younger Morrigan was backing up the Warden.



So yeah... Hawke = OGB, white haired mage = Morrigan.

[Fishy]

Brockololly wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

KennethAFTopp wrote...

I wonder if this will be closer to Fable gameplay wise.

I doubt they'll drop the complex strategy options but anything's possible but still I doubt it. I still think they'll have classes of specialization and such with branching trees and followers and all that.

I'll preface by saying I'm in Negative Nancy mode, but the overall "feel" of the DA2 stuff so far makes me think they're making it darker for the sake of dark and amping up the EXTREME quotient to please your 300 fans. Hell, they even have the line about "fight like a Spartan." I would not doubt if the combat is "streamlined" for consoles.

As for Fable- it sounds just like it. The whole "rise to power" deal. I mean come on BioWare- you didn't throw in a Human Commoner Origin in Origins because its a trope thats been played to death. So now we're a damn refugee that has to rise from humble origins to become king of the land?

HIHI

[SnakeHelah]

You guys are delusional about your Morrigan.
I quote directly from Chris

Chris Priestly wrote:
While I do enjoy having fun with our fans, I am not joking about this. The player character is a human (either male or female) with the last name of Hawke. Dragon Age 2 is the story of Hawke. From the Dragon Age 2 press release:

    Dragon Age 2 thrusts players into the role of Hawke, a penniless refugee who rises to power to become the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age. Known to be a survivor of the Blight and the Champion of Kirkwall, the legend around Hawke’s rise to power is shrouded in myth and rumor.  Featuring an all-new story spanning 10 years, players will help tell that tale by making tough moral choices, gathering the deadliest of allies, amassing fame and fortune, and sealing their place in history. The way you play will write the story of how the world is changed forever.

So take it for what it is.

Modifié par SnakeHelah, 08 juillet 2010 - 05:06 .

[Levowitz]

Single most powerful character?



Hawke is Urthemiel.

[MCPOWill]

 Well my 2 cents are on 'Hawke' being the god-child of Morrigan, and the game set in probably Orlais. Hawke have even got a claw hand... not many human I know in real life or the human in Origins and Awakening had claw hands. Also there was great emphasis on Morrigan in the epilogue with all the question like "What became of her and the child, not one is sure ...yet". They had that
Personally with all the comparisons to Fable. Origins : You are one of the last Grey Wardens and must gather and army and quell the Blight and Archdemon
DA2: You are a survivor who over a decade will rise for zero to hero-king , as well as possibly be the reborn old god, Urthemial.
now then... we got fable
F1: Rise from nothing, extract vengence, awaken the Hero blood, and save the world!F2: Rise from nothing, extract vengence, awaken the Hero blood, and save the world!F3: Rise from nothing, create a rebellion, awaken the Hero blood, and save the world ...and become King! ...or Queen!

Don't get me wrong, I love fable, and as for its general plot, it pretty much similiar. and although some plot points right now (it also just got reveal mind you) for DA2 are similiar to say Fable III, and aside for the fact that their are only 32 plot lines in story telling, DA2 looks very promising and will probably just as epic if not more so that Origins was. Also DA2 story seems to vastly different then Origins. 

Personally as well I think Origins might hold the Origins for DA2 

Anyhoo that is just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. Oh I and think Morrigan is gonna appear in some shape or form (and I mean that figuratively and/or literally) in DA2.

[Polemists05]

Yea one of the devs even said you'll be shocked when you find out who the white haired chick is. Since everyone is guessing Morrigan, I don't think that would shock anyone.

[Vicious]

a penniless refugee who rises to power to become the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age. Known to be a survivor of the Blight and the Champion of Kirkwall, the legend around Hawke’s rise to power is shrouded in myth and rumor.



Looks like OGB to me. No one knows where he came from, for god's sake.

[Arlaen]

I HOPE the pc will be Morrigan's child (and the Warden's in my gameplay), it would be an epic sequel and I really don't mind the resemblance with Baldur's Gate (I loved the game!).

But it could be sad as well: would it mean that the Warden never found Morrigan again? Never knew his child? Tragedy! For me at least, because Morrigan was my favourite character and (IMHO) the most important png of the game, not only a pair of walking boobs (as I read in some posts above): her story is the only one that can have heavy implication for the future (as much as I liked Zev or Leliana, I can't see the sequel built on escaping the Crows or travelling the world).

Forgive me for I'm an hopeless romantic, but I felt terrible for my Warden to lose her ( I actually replayed the whole Origin game in order to have the line at the end of Awakening "he left to search for the dark haired mage he travelled with"... damn bug...).

[SnakeHelah]

Vicious wrote...

a penniless refugee who rises to power to become the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age. Known to be a survivor of the Blight and the Champion of Kirkwall, the legend around Hawke’s rise to power is shrouded in myth and rumor.

Looks like OGB to me. No one knows where he came from, for god's sake.

He's not OGB. A dev just confirmed. That speculation is ended. I already told you guys before.

Modifié par SnakeHelah, 08 juillet 2010 - 05:42 .