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[JeCy108]

JasonPogo wrote...

God I hope not. I wnat a great single player game.

if you ever played BG or BGII  you know that you can have both..


I dont know how the engine works though, so no clue who hard it would be to add.  Personally i wish it was in..  It was a lotta fun playing BG with a party of people..   Sure, its not the same as the single player,  But it was great fun to RP in the world with others..  Even not being the child of baull.

If i had to guess its a concil issue.. and NOt a PC one..   Only a dev, or a moder would know the difference on how the game would have to interpert the code for sperate PC inputs..

[JeCy108]

TehMerc wrote...



He's right about the downloadable content though, it's been more than dissapointing. I got warden's keep before I looked at any reviews and felt somewhat cheated, really shoulda had a stronghold from the get go.

No one says you need to purchase the game when it first comes out..  You pretty much know if a game is successfull its gonna get an expansion..   then after that expansion if that was successfull, and even if not soo much, some time after the publisher is gonna switch over to gold edditions.   that means they package the whole game together on one disk to save production costs..   gold often time gets even more bonuses over the normal game.  But almost always its avaiable to previous players via Downloads..


What im saying is..   If you dont wanna pay for expansions and DLCs, then dont.    wait a year or 2, then buy the game when the "gold"  version is released.  the only games that normally dont get this treatment are crappy  and the expansion didnt even sell, so they dont even bother to continuing producing the game.. (happens to tons of games)  or they never got an expansion in the first place, so no need to go gold.   (not saying always, But most of the time thats the way it is)



You didnt even need to wait a year for DAO to go gold..   You pay to play early,  Dont wanna pay..  wait a bit..  I do it all the time..   (didnt this time but ahh well..  I love bioware games.   Im waiting on a few games to go gold before i purchase them.. One i know is a probably gonna be waiting almost 2 years..  I already waited 10 so whats 2 more..)  every single big game RPG ive played in the last 10 years has pretty much gone gold about 2 years later after intial release. So if ya wanna save some pennies, Just wait..

When you look at DAO gold edditon, with everything you get...  How can you say thats not one heck of a deal..   All of origns, with all the goodies,  a complete extra bonus high lvl campain..  (all though you could say a bit easy)   A fun dark side romp playing your enemey.. and then 2 pretty darn entertaining follow up  mini missions just for extra goodness, like to say thanks to all those people that paid good money for the extras as they were released, so bioware could take that money and turn it around and make us more of the great game.  If people werent buying those add ins, there is no way we would of gotton lil's quests or witch hunt.  We got those because people bought those little DLC's..   

instead of complainging about paying for DLC's, we should be thanking all the people that did..  So those that waited for gold got an incredible game..with tons of bonus content.   If you dont wanna be part of that group, Wait.. thats all im saying.  Just stop trashing bioware for its DLC..  Just patient and not the first guy on the block to get it.. thats all..

Modifié par JeCy108, 10 octobre 2010 - 10:52 .

[TehMerc]

JeCy108 wrote...

TehMerc wrote...



He's right about the downloadable content though, it's been more than dissapointing. I got warden's keep before I looked at any reviews and felt somewhat cheated, really shoulda had a stronghold from the get go.

No one says you need to purchase the game when it first comes out..  You pretty much know if a game is successfull its gonna get an expansion..   then after that expansion if that was successfull, and even if not soo much, some time after the publisher is gonna switch over to gold edditions.   that means they package the whole game together on one disk to save production costs..   gold often time gets even more bonuses over the normal game.  But almost always its avaiable to previous players via Downloads..


What im saying is..   If you dont wanna pay for expansions and DLCs, then dont.    wait a year or 2, then buy the game when the "gold"  version is released.  the only games that normally dont get this treatment are crappy  and the expansion didnt even sell, so they dont even bother to continuing producing the game.. (happens to tons of games)  or they never got an expansion in the first place, so no need to go gold.   (not saying always, But most of the time thats the way it is)



You didnt even need to wait a year for DAO to go gold..   You pay to play early,  Dont wanna pay..  wait a bit..  I do it all the time..   (didnt this time but ahh well..  I love bioware games.   Im waiting on a few games to go gold before i purchase them.. One i know is a probably gonna be waiting almost 2 years..  I already waited 10 so whats 2 more..)  every single big game RPG ive played in the last 10 years has pretty much gone gold about 2 years later after intial release. So if ya wanna save some pennies, Just wait..

I'm pretty cool with paying for expansions and DLCs that deliver interesting content. Warden's Keep shoulda been included on release, period.

I guess you felt I included Awakening in that? It was maybe 10 dollars higher than what I felt it shoulda gone for but it was quality, but the other DLC has been sub par (never tried darkspawn chronicles after how dissappointing Ostagar was.

7 bucks for 4 DLC  each isn't pennies either, please, don't patronize me. And if everyone played this way, you think they'd be successful? It's about respecting the people who actually get it and buy the DLC.

[JeCy108]

TehMerc wrote...


I'm pretty cool with paying for expansions and DLCs that deliver interesting content. Warden's Keep shoulda been included on release, period.

I guess you felt I included Awakening in that? It was maybe 10 dollars higher than what I felt it shoulda gone for but it was quality, but the other DLC has been sub par (never tried darkspawn chronicles after how dissappointing Ostagar was.

7 bucks for 4 DLC  each isn't pennies either, please, don't patronize me. And if everyone played this way, you think they'd be successful? It's about respecting the people who actually get it and buy the DLC.

Like i said.. You didnt need to pay the extra..  just wait a little bit.  I consiter awakenings part of the complete game..  when a game goes gold, to me its done..  Not till then.  I knew this game would have an expansion, and i knew it would go gold eventually.. just seeing the first few DLC's at the pre-order i knew that.  I didnt wanna wait, and happliy paid for the DLC's in hopes to get more..  I got then. Im not saying are they truely worth 7 bucks? ehh, in the grand schem maybe not.. But then again 7 bucks cant even give you a good luck these days.  SO was my 2-3 hour mini games worth the price of lunch?  you betcha.

Im not exactly sure how you are saying the bioware doesnt respect people that bought it..  Im sure if you asked them they would say thank you, and you helped us make a few extra edditinos to the game, we couldnt of with out your support..


I know ill be pre-ordering DA2, Ill be buying the DLC.. and ill surely get the expansion..  I also know that if i wanna wait till about 2012 i can get it all on one disk..  Im not waiting till 2012 for that..  but that will be right about the time that other game im waiting for is gonna go gold....  (i hope)

[TehMerc]

Regardless, it couldn't hurt to have a bit more quality in the dlc if they're going to release em. I'd rather they just bundle all that in a bigger expansion and it costed more, but you can't really milk people that way. But everyone feels differently about it so bleh at this point.

[Morrigans God son]

TehMerc wrote...

Regardless, it couldn't hurt to have a bit more quality in the dlc if they're going to release em. I'd rather they just bundle all that in a bigger expansion and it costed more, but you can't really milk people that way. But everyone feels differently about it so bleh at this point.

I would of rather had two expansions, instead of the DLC.

And on the multiplayer topic. I would like DA to consider multiplayer in the future, without ruining the story. There happy?

[Addai]

TehMerc wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Well as soon you complete the story what is there? Some downloadable content which is pretty much garbage. Sure repeat the game once or twice, but still, It can't compete with games that have multiplayer.

As opposed to a uniformly mediocre game where you wandering around looking for something to kill and which gives occasional garbage updates?

I've played... I won't even admit how many hours of DAO.  Too many for a person with a job.  I wouldn't pay a dime or waste an hour on those MMOs.

He's right about the downloadable content though, it's been more than dissapointing.

Well no argument there, but it seems there just wasn't the same budget and/or production values in DLC as there was in the original.  Who knows why.

I'm sorry you can't find people you like online to be around, but most of us put some effort into finding decent, intellible friends. and "the mmo in question" ( pretty sure we know which one is being talked bout in general.) 's "garbage updates" might be for people who can't be bothered to actually get together and want to run around on their own, but it's constantly changing at least, so don't talk about anything you don't know, thanks.

You know what assume does.  My husband plays MMOs, but even he admits that a good single-player is a lot better and you get a lot more for your money.  I'm principally opposed to paying a monthly fee to play a video game and yes, I don't care for the whole chatroom aspect.  It lends to the mediocrity of the game IMO, because I play for immersive storytelling and no other reason.

All of this is moot, really, since the devs haven't said anything about multiplayer for DA except that it's not going to be.  I'm more worried about the impact of things like voiced protagonist.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

Actually, when I think about, multiplayer wouldn't be bad idea if done right. And by right, I mean sort of like Golden Sun's collessium mode. Basically, two different players take their parties in the collesium and fight other player's parties. Naturally, pausing would be disabled. Indeed, I believe players would actually be forced to "think like a general" here.

[Pedrak]

JeCy108 wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

God I hope not. I wnat a great single player game.

if you ever played BG or BGII  you know that you can have both..

This.

Not that I support MP for DA2 - I think time and resources would be better spent on SP, especially since the release date is relatively close and I suspect the development is already quite frantic... however, I find it puzzling that people assume that the presence of MP would automatically "ruin!!!" or "dumb down" the single player campaign. Guess what? BG2 had it and it was one of the 2-3 best games evah. Just sayin'

[ladydesire]

Obadiah wrote...

After BG, NWN, and NWN2, I have no idea why making a game engine multiplayer capable would take away from the single player campaign. NWN and NWN2 have single player campaigns, but they have multiplayer capability that modders can take advantage of, and that gave the games much more longevity.

While multi-player helped, it's definitely not the main reason most people that play them even this long after release give for continuing to play; in fact, a vast majority of people that play NWN or NWN2 have never touched the multi-player part of the game.

[JeCy108]

TehMerc wrote...

Regardless, it couldn't hurt to have a bit more quality in the dlc if they're going to release em. I'd rather they just bundle all that in a bigger expansion and it costed more, but you can't really milk people that way. But everyone feels differently about it so bleh at this point.

well of course im with ya on i wish the DLC's were longer, bigger, and more of them.. Id of bought a ton of um if they kept um coming..  but like i said, if they did keep coming, id know that i would save money if i waited for them to box um.  Its computer gaming 101..

maybe i feel different about this cause ive been playing comp games my whole life..  (started on a TRS 80 )  Ive bought games on launch, and ive bought full serries of games for 5 bucks in one giant box. (i think i saw a box a while back that had all of BG and icewind dale in one box !   or the entire might and magic serries you can now DL for 10 bucks !  )    to me its simple, play first, ya pay..  its like a movie,  goto the movies buy popcorn and a soda and its gonna cost ya 30 bucks..  wait 6 months and you can get it at red box for a buck.  Only you can tell ya which one its worth.

(PS i saw more than one movie i wish i waited to pay a buck for..  transformers anyone?  god what an awefull no story movie)

Modifié par JeCy108, 11 octobre 2010 - 10:11 .

[JeCy108]

ladydesire wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

After BG, NWN, and NWN2, I have no idea why making a game engine multiplayer capable would take away from the single player campaign. NWN and NWN2 have single player campaigns, but they have multiplayer capability that modders can take advantage of, and that gave the games much more longevity.

While multi-player helped, it's definitely not the main reason most people that play them even this long after release give for continuing to play; in fact, a vast majority of people that play NWN or NWN2 have never touched the multi-player part of the game.

I agree, most never touched MP,  and only the devs could tell you exactly how much production time it would take.  Im a firm believer its because its being muliplatform ported..   game councils have many limations computers dont.  One reason why i get soo sick of this cross platform BS.  Sorry had to cut XXX and YYY cause it wont work on x-box..   Well screw x-box !    I get tired of getting dumbed down games just so they can run on councils..

[Bane-x]

slimgrin wrote...

Screw multiplayer.

Wow, this is a well thought out and lucid response!

Turn on the lights (the one lighting your keyboard doesn't count),
get out of the basement, make some real food not the sustained diet of junk food. Walk outside, see the real world and you'll come to the realization that games are ALWAY'S  more fun when you can play with a friend.

Modifié par Bane-x, 23 octobre 2010 - 12:38 .

[AlanC9]

ladydesire wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

After BG, NWN, and NWN2, I have no idea why making a game engine multiplayer capable would take away from the single player campaign. NWN and NWN2 have single player campaigns, but they have multiplayer capability that modders can take advantage of, and that gave the games much more longevity.

While multi-player helped, it's definitely not the main reason most people that play them even this long after release give for continuing to play; in fact, a vast majority of people that play NWN or NWN2 have never touched the multi-player part of the game.

And even if he was right, why should Bio -- or anyone else -- care about longevity in a game?

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 octobre 2010 - 05:12 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Bane-x wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Screw multiplayer.

Wow, this is a well thought out and lucid response!

Turn on the lights (the one lighting your keyboard doesn't count),
get out of the basement, make some real food not the sustained diet of junk food. Walk outside, see the real world and you'll come to the realization that games are ALWAY'S  more fun when you can play with a friend.

Um. No. Not always.
And not all games.

Jesus Christ on a Bike, can we stop all this multiplayer whining already?
Lockdown, anyone?

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 23 octobre 2010 - 05:10 .

[Dave of Canada]

Most people who'd play the multiplayer would just go back to their usual multiplayer games, we'd have a Bioshock 2 MP disaster.

[Lord_Valandil]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Most people who'd play the multiplayer would just go back to their usual multiplayer games, we'd have a Bioshock 2 MP disaster.

This. They'd play DA multiplayer a couple of days and then they'll return to their Halo and Call of Duty.

[Dave of Canada]

Bane-x wrote...

you'll come to the realization that games are ALWAY'S  more fun when you can play with a friend.

I disagree heavily unless the game was made for co-op. Tacked on multiplayer is... ugh.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Indeed, the Dave is right, as expected of him. The only way to implement a good multiplayer is to spend enough resources on it from the beginning, not by having it be an afterthought.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 23 octobre 2010 - 05:16 .

[ErichHartmann]

Bane-x wrote...

Wow, this is a well thought out and lucid response!

Turn on the lights (the one lighting your keyboard doesn't count),
get out of the basement, make some real food not the sustained diet of junk food. Walk outside, see the real world and you'll come to the realization that games are ALWAY'S  more fun when you can play with a friend.

You mean your online "friends" that you never see from your mom's basement? 

[Lord_Valandil]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Bane-x wrote...

Wow, this is a well thought out and lucid response!

Turn on the lights (the one lighting your keyboard doesn't count),
get out of the basement, make some real food not the sustained diet of junk food. Walk outside, see the real world and you'll come to the realization that games are ALWAY'S  more fun when you can play with a friend.

You mean your online "friends" that you never see from your mom's basement? 

OWNED.

[AlanC9]

Bane-x wrote...
Turn on the lights (the one lighting your keyboard doesn't count),
get out of the basement, make some real food not the sustained diet of junk food. Walk outside, see the real world and you'll come to the realization that games are ALWAY'S  more fun when you can play with a friend.

When I'm with my friends the last thing I wanna do is play some MP Dragon Age. A good deathmatch or even a co-op shooter, maybe.

And seriosuly, dude, telling other people what's fun never works. Never.

[Fortlowe]

I hope BW makes a MMORPG for the consoles, but no from DA. ME maybe, but something new would be awesome. PC's are getting KOTOR and we console jockey's are again the red headed step kids of MMO's. Maybe BW will give us some pantolones to make us feel better.

[Luke Bioware]

I don't want multiplayer. Sorry. I have other games for that .

[Kilshrek]

This thread is still going.. wow.



In short, why should Dragon Age be a co-op/multiplayer game? It seems that some developers slap gimmicky co-op/multiplayer components just because so many people seem to love it these days, thankfully that will not be the case here.



No multiplayer, thank you. This game, like ME, revolves around a single character. What does one hope to achieve by allowing another player to hop in? "Hey, you control Bethany" or something like that? It doesn't even make sense since party selection rests in the hands of the main player.



Keep gimmicky rubbish away from good games I say. Just because you have a friend who plays the same game doesn't mean that same friend must be in the same game world as you. There's a reason why it's called a single-player experience.