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[milkabi]

Why is anyone with an opinion that females don't get enough (or at all) marketing being branded a feminist?

[night0205]

I do find females prettier then males... Alright, I'm sold. I want a girl on the cover!

[Layn]

250poundbeefcake wrote...

In this thread: Feminists getting angry their not being equally represented on the cover art of a video game. LOL.

seriously, why do people keep insisting that it's only about the cover art. It's just that it makes no sense that in agame where you can create a character of the sex that you want that can look like you want they heavily push marketing for one default male character while ignoring all info pertaining to any other type of character.

[orpheus333]

I'd love to see a female protagonist put forward in marketing DA2.I think the reason for not doing it is pretty good. Using a male protaginst is a hell of a lot easier and avoids the 'using sex to sell you game' thing that housewives are so annoyed about.

[night0205]

*whispering* don't tell anyone but I'm dating a female...

[Godkarl]

You are all of course joking correct, we live in a sexist society on both fronts.  Women need to relax, it should not matter what gender the main character is.  Guys relate to guys better so a male protagonist will improve the male demographic; females relate to women and will likewise improve sales to females.  None of that matters as games are the expression of a group of people, an artistic expression covering gameplay, visual stimulus, and story.  It is the people who make the games' oppinion to choose a male on the cover, why because the most important character in the game is a man.  Plain and Simple

[UndercoverDoctor]

ReinaHW wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

I thought the covers for Mass Effect 1 and 2 were terrible, by having Sheperd as Generio Male on the cover it was a little offputting, if they had just placed the Citadel, the Normandy and some character outlines, then that would have been fine.

I loved the Jade Empire cover, it was beautiful and gave the Asian/Eastern feeling when looking at it, same with the KOTOR covers, they were very nice. And Dragon Age's red dragon on a white background was very striking, much nicer than the one shown for DA2.

Because it has a male on the cover? If that's your reason for thinking I see this thread isn't going anywhere.

No, it was just an ugly cover, for both games.  Just showing some generic male look to Shepard made the game look like yet another mindless shooter with a male only character and didn't show that the game was an RPG/shooter mix with a choice of gender and the chance to create the facial appearance of Shepard.
It's why just showing the Citadel, Normandy and character outlines would have looked nicer, made it look like less of another mindless shooter.

*I'm talking about the Dragon Age 2 cover*

[Tokion]

Maviarab wrote...

suron....someone above me said it correctly....begins with the letter T...

Your wrong, you do realise there are MORE female MMO players now than MALE?

Call me all the names under the sun if you like lovey, water of a ducks back sweetheart, but if you feel like arguing factual STATISTICS with the game companies who RELEASE those statistics...then...

well...go ahead while we all laugh at you

wut? you mean those facebook 'MMO' that allow ones to feed their chickens and sweep cow duns? They are so deep and rich!

[Kefkaesque]

The male character is more appealing in advertising to the general demographic they're reaching for.

That's all that matters, they're not trying to make a point, they're trying to sell games.

Modifié par Kefkaesque, 08 juillet 2010 - 08:04 .

[night0205]

Think about it this way. In Dragon Age Origins, everyone is surprised that a female is a Warden. Why? Because it's not as common, let's parallel that here. The same can be said for a Dwarf or even an Elf.

[Malsumis]

[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

A) Yep, presentation is key. That's exactly why I made it known that I was annoyed by this constant repetition of garbage excuses.[/quote]

And being aggressive helps how? Come on you've been around long enough to know it doesn't work.

[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
If they want an icon for DragonAge then they should use something that represents Dragon Age as a whole. They have the Blood Dragon, the title font, etc. Hawke is not an icon for the series. The excuse given for Sheploo was that they needed an icon for the series. Dragon Age Origins did not have this kind of icon either. They had different wardens for the CGI trailers and in-game footage, and the box art had a solitary figure in full armor. There's no reason some grizzled white-dude Hawke has to be the icon for DA2.[/quote]

Can you give me a good reason why they shouldn't? Perhaps they don't think the blood dragon emblem conveys the game enough? Perhaps they feel gamers will recognize Hawke(Do we know if it'sHawke?) even more? Sexism would be the very last reason as to why they do this.


[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
C) The fuss is that BioWare does not advertise their games for what they are, and they're excuses for doing so are horsecrap. Not advertising what your game is causes confusion, as we've plainly seen many times over, yet they still claim shoving one single advertising character down everybody's throats avoids confusion.[/quote]
[/quote]

Obviously they feel that the confusion that might happen if they swap icons outweighs the gains of doing so. Quite simple really.

[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
If you don't care, fine. Step aside. Let those who do care discuss it
and point out the nonsense in these prepackaged excuses.[/quote]

How does not having a women on the cover effect you playing a game, that is what I'm trying to understand. Because I don't get it and I bet a whole bunch at bio don't either.

Modifié par Malsumis, 08 juillet 2010 - 08:08 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Kefkaesque wrote...

The male character is more appealing in advertising to the general demographic they're reaching for.

That's all that matters, they're not trying to make a point, they're trying to sell games.

If that was true then they'd have a female Hawke on the DA2 website, even if she isn't the main focus.

But that's not the case. Just like in Mass Effect, the female PC will be completely absent on the BioWare site and any official video or screenshot they put forth. Hell, ME2 didn't advertise a female player AT ALL on their website. Wasn't listed in the game features, no videos, and pretty much all interviews that were done refer to Shepard as "he".

This is about them essentially ignoring the female player character, not them "focusing" on a male one.

[Godkarl]

Also Darth Jayder, Mirror's Edge and Dragon Age are two completely different games, one has a deep emotional story that is intense and very consistent; the other is a drab action game that had me losing interest due to its shallowness.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Malsumis wrote...
And being aggressive helps how? Come on you've been around long enough to know it doesn't work.

Can you give me a good reason why they shouldn't? Perhaps they don't think the blood dragon emblem conveys the game enough? Perhaps they feel gamers will recognize Hawke(Do we know if it'sHawke?) even more? Sexism would be the very last reason as to why they do this.

Obviously they feel that the confusion that might happen if they swap icons outweighs the gains of doing so. Quite simple really.

How does not having a women on the cover effect you playing a game, that is what I'm trying to understand. Because I don't get it and I bet a whole bunch at bio don't either.

Being aggressive lets them know my stance.

And since you've clearly not read much of this topic, or you plainly haven't comprehended it, I will say this once more and be done with you.
This has nothing to do with the cover of the game. kthxbai

[ReinaHW]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

I thought the covers for Mass Effect 1 and 2 were terrible, by having Sheperd as Generio Male on the cover it was a little offputting, if they had just placed the Citadel, the Normandy and some character outlines, then that would have been fine.

I loved the Jade Empire cover, it was beautiful and gave the Asian/Eastern feeling when looking at it, same with the KOTOR covers, they were very nice. And Dragon Age's red dragon on a white background was very striking, much nicer than the one shown for DA2.

Because it has a male on the cover? If that's your reason for thinking I see this thread isn't going anywhere.

No, it was just an ugly cover, for both games.  Just showing some generic male look to Shepard made the game look like yet another mindless shooter with a male only character and didn't show that the game was an RPG/shooter mix with a choice of gender and the chance to create the facial appearance of Shepard.
It's why just showing the Citadel, Normandy and character outlines would have looked nicer, made it look like less of another mindless shooter.

*I'm talking about the Dragon Age 2 cover*

The Dragon Age 2 cover, so far since it's likely a work in progress, is somewhat misleading after DA1's cover.  It shows a generic male, so the automatic thought is 'Oh, so they've turned it into a generio male hack and slash', due to how many games tend to show the male on the cover without mentioning a female character, like Divinity 2 for example shows a male dragon slayer, no female, so it's hard to tell what the game is like in terms of gender choice, which it thankfully has, and what the game is like.
Not even the back of the box helps in any way.

Caterling to the male demographic can be misleading if all that's shown is the male, but not an example that there's a gender choice.  So to avoid that it should be a striking, if plain looking cover like DA1's, plain, but striking due to the use of the red and white.
That's how the DA2 cover should look, not showing some generio male, since that's misleading, but just having the dragon, the white background and character outlines.

The choice of gender, the female character and more should be promoted more for games that have that, such a rare thing with many games, instead of just showing a male.  It's not just males who game, frankly it's never been that way, it's just awkward for female gamers since horny males tend to jump them instantly.
It's like they've never seen a woman before.

[Kefkaesque]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Kefkaesque wrote...

The male character is more appealing in advertising to the general demographic they're reaching for.

That's all that matters, they're not trying to make a point, they're trying to sell games.

If that was true then they'd have a female Hawke on the DA2 website, even if she isn't the main focus.

But that's not the case. Just like in Mass Effect, the female PC will be completely absent on the BioWare site and any official video or screenshot they put forth. Hell, ME2 didn't advertise a female player AT ALL on their website. Wasn't listed in the game features, no videos, and pretty much all interviews that were done refer to Shepard as "he".

This is about them essentially ignoring the female player character, not them "focusing" on a male one.

Name a game that sold really well with a female main character or with a girl as the focus of advertising.

Do you honestly believe that Bioware is evil and trying to put women down?  They just want to sell games, they're a business.

[spottyblanket]

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