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[DrIggy]

Onac Proudmoore wrote...

Also... You DO need different voice for different races. Maybe if there would be just two, like a human and dwarf, or human and elf, they could make one voice over for both races, but come on... dwarves and elves sound so different that they can't really manage it.

Actually, you don't. Having recently replayed Dragon Age Origins, I can tell you that accents are not race specific in DA. If necessary, I can even name elven and dwarven NPCs who speak with a British, or any non-American accent, as well as humans who speak with non-British accents.

There was another argument for not being able to choose a race - Bethany, Hawke's sister, who is human. This argument is just as absurd as the different voices argument, because there is a very easy way to solve that problem story-wise, without the necessity to create different models for Bethany - simply make a minor alteration to the story so that Hawke and Bethany are not biological siblings. That way Hawke can be an elf, a dwarf, or whatever you can think of and it even adds more mystery to this Champion of Kirkwall, perhaps an origin he himself is not aware of and can explore it during the course of the game.

[Sharn01]

DrIggy wrote...

Onac Proudmoore wrote...

Also... You DO need different voice for different races. Maybe if there would be just two, like a human and dwarf, or human and elf, they could make one voice over for both races, but come on... dwarves and elves sound so different that they can't really manage it.

Actually, you don't. Having recently replayed Dragon Age Origins, I can tell you that accents are not race specific in DA. If necessary, I can even name elven and dwarven NPCs who speak with a British, or any non-American accent, as well as humans who speak with non-British accents.

There was another argument for not being able to choose a race - Bethany, Hawke's sister, who is human. This argument is just as absurd as the different voices argument, because there is a very easy way to solve that problem story-wise, without the necessity to create different models for Bethany - simply make a minor alteration to the story so that Hawke and Bethany are not biological siblings. That way Hawke can be an elf, a dwarf, or whatever you can think of and it even adds more mystery to this Champion of Kirkwall, perhaps an origin he himself is not aware of and can explore it during the course of the game.

Have to agree, I am tired of people thinking they need separate voice actors for different races, some go as far as to say that humans, dwarves and elves all sound different, completely forgetting that any race voice acted in the game is being voice acted by a human, there are no elves or dwarves in reality that I know of that bioware can hire.

[vguy]

Sharn01 wrote...

Have to agree, I am tired of people thinking they need separate voice actors for different races, some go as far as to say that humans, dwarves and elves all sound different, completely forgetting that any race voice acted in the game is being voice acted by a human, there are no elves or dwarves in reality that I know of that bioware can hire.

lol, I had to laugh because this is so true. They definitely could have used the same voice actor for any race you wanted your character to be. A simple script to change the appearance of Bethany from human to elf or whatever would have been easy to do also. They might have to change a few lines in the dialogue to suit what race you would pick but then again that would also be possible to do. Once you are done with the "origin" part in DAO most of the dialogue is basically the same for the rest of the game. So I don't see how having a different race for your main character would change the depth of the story all that much. The idea of being able to play thru DAO with different races was definitely a good one and is part of what made it appealing.

So why would a company do away with one of the key features that made the first game so awesome in the first place? It's simple. As they have already said in their interview having a set character makes the DA more marketable. Now there is a character you can associate with the title. You can put him in cartoons, comics, posters, etc. and have people go "oh, look that's the dude from dragon age". Having your own personal hero that only you would recognize would make all of that moot.

All the other excuses as to why having a set character as opposed to being able to choose your race would make DA2 a better game are ridiculous. However, I wouldn't go so far to say that having a set character will make DA2 a bad game either. Having a set character may in fact prove to make DA2 more successful in the long run. But in the eyes of who, gamers or the company plastering Hawke all over lunch boxes?

Modifié par vguy, 07 août 2010 - 09:24 .

[EccentricSage]

Everything I learn about DA2 sounds like a step backward. Frankly the world it's self isn't all that new or compelling. It was my ability to choose so many aspects of my role in the world that made it compelling, as well as the interesting cast of characters we could gather along the way. Characters I felt I'd only just begun to know. My story was not over, damn it. But apparently Bioware is too lazy to deal with the logistics of picking up where Origins left off, and will scrap everything that made the series so special and promising for a more linear, less customizable format. Well **** that.

[EfrinTheRetardedRabbit]

Saddens Me a little to not have a race choice (I choose the stunties for a warrior,pointey ears for mage,and humies for rouges) I would be hoping quanari would be a race choice.Then I can stompz on peoples heads and Laugh.
(But HEY WE GETZ TO HEARZZ OUR CHARACTERS VOICE IN DIALOUGE )

Modifié par EfrinTheRetardedRabbit, 16 août 2010 - 01:20 .

[dragon age 2 ftw]

i cant play as a dwarf what the ****.......jkjk but still now if fell kinda mad about DA2

[Xebioz]

Hurray for "Fable: Origins" *cough* I mean "Fable Age 2" Ah, just forget it... However I try to twist it around this pre-made character thing (even the poster) reminds me of Fable... Let's hope they do something about that, before you know it you're running around killing beetles to collect shiny multi-colored orbs...

[EfrinTheRetardedRabbit]

But, Seriously, I am somewhat disappionted that Bioware is sticking with a human character.I would like some different reactions like when I enter a tavern. Examples Follow...

(A amor clad dwarf enters the tavern,The shakling of his mail draws everyones attention.He then finds a seat in the corner so he can put his blood-stained battleaxe against the wall,He calls for a waitress.The waitress,shaking like a hairless dog in the rain,speaks with a wimpering voice,"Wha....what can I g..g..get for you today?" In a bold voice,he replies"The Strongest A....."But then a sudden slam interupts him.A scout enters the tavern blood-soaked to the skin,Oblivously wounded by an arrow sticking out like a shard on his side.He yells "Darkspawn.....Darkspawn horde has been sighted and is coming this way!"The musclar dwarf raises up and picks up his battleaxe with one arm."So the beasties thought they could just come and expect me to miss out on it?! Well then they have invaded a city of their own burial site!")

that or that was a horrible excuse to write something

Modifié par EfrinTheRetardedRabbit, 17 août 2010 - 11:28 .

[McMaze]

tbh I am relieved that there is only one playable race. Serioulsy the impact of playing another race on the game is so small it is disappointing. Why play another race if it is so poorly integrated into the story ? The consequences are in almost any case so superficial that you notice the difference only by looking at your characters appearance. At least the developers can't waste any ressources when there is only one playable race.

Modifié par McMaze, 16 août 2010 - 10:44 .

[BassmanUW]

It seems like I may be the only here... but eventually I found the Origins thing to be more of a crutch than anything else. Was it interesting for the brief moment of the Origins story? Yes. And if you have time to replay over and over again, I guess you could go in saying: I'm going to make my human noble good, my Dalish elf bad, etc. etc., but I don't know why you couldn't just do that with Hawke. But it seemed like, except for some specific points, your Origin was ignored anyways and when it did it was just service to the initial part of the story.



And I'm sorry, I just don't see how it's feasible to make a whole new game where, with all the options that exited in DA:O, you can just have all those options continue and have a coherent, much less a strong, plot. The Origins thing was a cool idea for one game. Give me one great character any day of the week, though.



Also, to me, only two of the Origins made sense: human noble and mage. The others made no sense to me whatsoever: (1) City Elf: why would Duncan randomly go through a bunch of ghettoized elves looking for a Grey Warden when there are other places he's much more likely to find a qualified candidate; (2) Dwarf Noble: while there are good odds he'd find talented warriors there, why would he travel all the way from Denerim to Orzammar when both Highever and the Circle Tower are much closer to both Denerim and Ostagar; (3) Commoner Dwarf: combine (1) and (2); (4) Dalish Elf: so Duncan has all this time to just wander through the woods HOPING to find a Dalish clan that he HOPES has a qualified candidate?



I just couldn't take four of the Origins seriously, and as a result never got very far with any of them. He was near guaranteed to find a qualified candidate in either Highever or the Circle Tower, and both were relatively close to Denerim and/or Ostagar. Everywhere else is either a crapshoot that he doesn't have time for, a trek he doesn't have time for, or both.

[DrIggy]

I have to disagree. Different origins, or rather different beginnings of the game add more variety and more replay value. As for the quality of the origin stories, yes most of them need work. For example, unlike you, I found the Dalish origin story the best of what was offered, since it actually dealt with the characters from that story in the best possible way for the remainder of the game. Tamlen actually reappears during the Darkspawn attack on your camp and his story is resolved quite nicely and the old woman from the clan is the perfect choice when it comes to origin story characters who appear at the end of the game. On the other hand, I found the human noble origin story to be among the worst. You knew what was going to happen from the minute it started and the way they dealt with Fergus' absence during the main story was rather dumb, in my opinion. He basically appears at the end and says: "Hey little bro, they say there was a Blight. Man I slept through the whole thing - must have been those weeds I smoked at that Chasind party... Anyway, looks like you took care of things, so congrats, bro. Nice work!"

In any case, when it comes to the origin stories I can't deny it would be nice for them to be more integrated into the main story and bring more diversity, but that might be a bit hard to accomplish. However, they bring enough diversity in their current format and it's a shame that an idea as good as the origin stories is discarded in the sequel.

To bring this back on topic, origin stories and races are two different things. And while the new story demands for the player character to have only one beginning of the game, as I have stated in my previous post, there is no reason to eliminate the choice of race. Honestly, I know quite a few people who hoped a DA sequel would introduce even more races for the player to choose from and are very disappointed that the race was locked, to a human no less.

Modifié par DrIggy, 28 août 2010 - 11:28 .

[Rake21]

DrIggy wrote...

To bring this back on topic, origin stories and races are two different things. And while the new story demands for the player character to have only one beginning of the game, as I have stated in my previous post, there is no reason to eliminate the choice of race. Honestly, I know quite a few people who hoped a DA sequel would introduce even more races for the player to choose from and are very disappointed that the race was locked, to a human no less.

There is a problem with multiple race choices in this story, though.  In the first game, when you play as an elf, the reason people would even give you a chance to lead or help or any respect was because you were a Grey Warden.  In DA2, Hawke doesn't have that luxery.

[DrIggy]

What you're saying may be true for the country of Ferelden and perhaps a few others, but the Free Marches seem like a significantly different area of Thedas where it might be possible for a person of any race to gain power. We already know Hawke will become the Champion of Kirkwall and I rather doubt the people he/she presumably saves in Kirkwall are going to say "F-off" instead of "Thank you" to their non-human savior. On the other hand, if Hawke conquers Kirkwall and enslaves the population, he/she will be hated and feared even as a human.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

The developers surely had to know that not allowing players to chose a race for their character would tick off a lot of fans. I'm guessing it was done so they could pump out the game quicker. Less graphical work among other things.

A choice of only one race makes the game far less replayable than a choice of multiple races. I was really hoping for more choices in race and class, not fewer.

Oh, and there will be fewer spells too?

I'll reserve judgement for when the game is released but I'm not happy with some of the information that has been released so far.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 01 septembre 2010 - 12:07 .

[scootermcgaffin]

I agree that the Origins were the best part of the last game; however, that's not exactly a positive statement. If losing Origins in DA2 means a tighter middle game, with more choices that matter, better dialog, and actual fun and interesting dungeons, then I am more than happy to lose the Origins.

[Galbana]

this really blow's because if this story is going to be happening in the free marches and its the main Slave Market and it would rock to be the Under dogs again  

[DBHolm]

What on earth are people so upset about?



I can understand being disappointed that you won't be able to choose other races -- I'm disappointed I can't play a dwarf -- but considering that it is because the story of Dragon Age 2 will be more cohesive, I fail to see it as a "bad thing".



As good as Dragon Age: Origins is, it was never meant as more than the introduction to the Dragon Age setting. The Origin stories tied into that, but having elves, dwarves and humans be essentially the same character does not make for a stronger story.



Dragon Age: Origins did a very good job with the different origins (though there are some "huh" moments), but there's no doubt that having a single story will make them able to focus on developing the story more than making sure everything makes sense.



Hopefully in the future, we could get a game focused on other races.

[Gecon]

laradenton wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

While there are multiple races in the game, like elves, dwarves, etc, in Dragon Age 2 you play a human character.

Can this human character be female? Or is this Hawke a male only?

I bet in DA3 we only get male human as choice. And a couple of predefined ugly faces, like the presets you get with DA1...

I really hate the direction that DA is taking, but meh. Seems like the days of PC gaming is finally over.

One good thing about it: I can finally install Linux on my PCs. Always needed Windows for games. But - no games, so no need for Windows any more.

[Angel of Nessus]

The character is canonically human- therefore, we can only play as human. If that bothers you, then you are dumb (for countless reasons already explained by myself and dozens of other posters). Simple fact- cry more if you must, but off the forums, please.

Modifié par Angel of Nessus, 03 septembre 2010 - 05:58 .

[AntivanAssassin]

Aren't forums done for people opinions? I'm pretty curious about the storyline, the gameplay and all about DA 2 but I'm disappointed too that we are restricted to only one race. Personally, I played Origins most like an elf because I love elfs such as they are. Other people of course like better dwarfs or humans but, since I'm human already, why can't I play like another race. Origins are no more needed for a great experience. ME have only humans but it has another conception. Games are made to dream a little, to evade for just a few time by everyday life. But wait, I respect creators decisions, it's impossible to pay attention to all players likes or dislikes and, as a matter of fact, they always do very high level games compared to others, indeed. So my only hope is that at least, if ever Bioware decides to do it, in DA 3 we can play again with fantasy creatures (elfs hehe).

Ok, I had fun talking about this and, of all the games I played, I love Dragon Age the most whatever it is.

Oh, sorry for my bad English.

[TMZuk]

Angel of Nessus wrote...

The character is canonically human- therefore, we can only play as human. If that bothers you, then you are dumb (for countless reasons already explained by myself and dozens of other posters). Simple fact- cry more if you must, but off the forums, please.

If all you can do is calling people with different ideas and expectations "dumb", I suggest YOU move of these boards!

[Shmaury]

i think it is very un-bioware like to restrict us to one race, the most boring race of all even. ive played a dwarf in every baldurs gate game, every nwn game and in origins, i hope a mod will soon follow so i can continue this...

[AlanC9]

How can something Bio also did in KotOR and Mass Effect be un-Bioware-like?

Modifié par AlanC9, 07 octobre 2010 - 05:25 .

[DMC12]

Shmaury wrote...

i think it is very un-bioware like to restrict us to one race, the most boring race of all even. ive played a dwarf in every baldurs gate game, every nwn game and in origins, i hope a mod will soon follow so i can continue this...

Well there's KOTOR, and of course Mass Effect, that only allow you to be human.

But I personally like playing humans over other races, and interacting with other races rather than being them. Humans have the most diversity when it comes to character development, as they of course represent us. I find that Dwarves, Elves, and whatever race just represent a specific part of humanity or human history/culture, thus all the other races seem dull and one dimensional to me.

Modifié par DMC12, 07 octobre 2010 - 05:29 .

[Addai]

DMC12 wrote...

Shmaury wrote...

i think it is very un-bioware like to restrict us to one race, the most boring race of all even. ive played a dwarf in every baldurs gate game, every nwn game and in origins, i hope a mod will soon follow so i can continue this...

Well there's KOTOR, and of course Mass Effect, that only allow you to be human.

But I personally like playing humans over other races, and interacting with other races rather than being them. Humans have the most diversity when it comes to character development, as they of course represent us. I find that Dwarves, Elves, and whatever race just represent a specific part of humanity or human history/culture, thus all the other races seem dull and one dimensional to me.

lolwut?  This is rather circular reasoning.  Because elves and dwarves are often used as color players only, you consider them undeveloped, and around the circle goes.

If anything, in a fantasy work humans are dull because.... well, it's fantasy.  Why be a normal human in a fantasy work if you don't have to be?