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[Soapy86]

Haha, just kidding. 

What's it like to have such ungrateful fans? Must be a real bummer sometimes. I know game developers like to say that negative comments on forums don't effect them, but come on, you're human beings; it has to bother you at least a little.

I just wanted to let you guys know that there's at least one person on these forums who appreciates what you do. I'm super excited for Dragon Age 2. And Mass Effect 3. And The Old Republic. And whatever else you've got coming down the pipeline. I'm sure this topic will be locked soon after it's posted, but hopefully at least one you developers will see it. Keep up all the great work.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

[Wonderllama4]

I've been a Bioware fan since Knights of the Old Republic. Bioware games are by far my favorite games and I trust them implicitly to continue making more.

Modifié par Wonderllama4, 08 juillet 2010 - 03:43 .

[epoch_]

Im assuming they mainstream'd it.

[DadeLeviathan]

Soapy86 wrote...

Haha, just kidding. 

What's it like to have such ungrateful fans? Must be a real bummer sometimes. I know game developers like to say that negative comments on forums don't effect them, but come on, you're human beings; it has to bother you at least a little.

I just wanted to let you guys know that there's at least one person on these forums who appreciates what you do. I'm super excited for Dragon Age 2. And Mass Effect 3. And The Old Republic. And whatever else you've got coming down the pipeline. I'm sure this topic will be locked soon after it's posted, but hopefully at least one you developers will see it. Keep up all the great work.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Fans have every right to disagree with a decision a developer makes. To call them ungrateful because of that is just plain silly.

[Kosh_Naranek]

I sometimes think I'm the only person who liked Jade Empire, what with the flack I've seen it take online.



As for DA2, I'm going to wait before drawing any conclusions one way or the other, but Bioware has yet to make a game I don't like.



Granted, I didn't play their Sonic game, but..

[_-Greywolf-_]

Soapy86 wrote...

Haha, just kidding. 

What's it like to have such ungrateful fans? Must be a real bummer sometimes. I know game developers like to say that negative comments on forums don't effect them, but come on, you're human beings; it has to bother you at least a little.

I just wanted to let you guys know that there's at least one person on these forums who appreciates what you do. I'm super excited for Dragon Age 2. And Mass Effect 3. And The Old Republic. And whatever else you've got coming down the pipeline. I'm sure this topic will be locked soon after it's posted, but hopefully at least one you developers will see it. Keep up all the great work.

If you think this is bad you should see the Deus Ex 3 boards.

[Vicious]

I love you OP.



But the FANRAGING is going to be big and bad. Wait till the game's released - it will become a commercial and critical success far surpassing Dragon Age 1, and DA1 fans will be here, constantly, hardcore raging at the design changes.



You know, just like Mass Effect 1 fans do on the Mass Effect 2 forums right now.

[Cerberus Operative]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Soapy86 wrote...

Haha, just kidding. 

What's it like to have such ungrateful fans? Must be a real bummer sometimes. I know game developers like to say that negative comments on forums don't effect them, but come on, you're human beings; it has to bother you at least a little.

I just wanted to let you guys know that there's at least one person on these forums who appreciates what you do. I'm super excited for Dragon Age 2. And Mass Effect 3. And The Old Republic. And whatever else you've got coming down the pipeline. I'm sure this topic will be locked soon after it's posted, but hopefully at least one you developers will see it. Keep up all the great work.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Fans have every right to disagree with a decision a developer makes. To call them ungrateful because of that is just plain silly.

I agree absolutely, everyone should express their opinion, I really like Bioware games but I am angry and disappointed at Bioware's planned changes.

[SkittlesKat96]

Haha I was thinking when going on this topic "What an ingrateful bastard".
Bioware does a pretty good job though.

[Ghost_360]

It's Bioware...I mean come on...they're awesome.

[MKDAWUSS]

Yeah, but people do rage about EA all the time...

[Razor Wire]

DadeLeviathan wrote...
Fans have every right to disagree with a decision a developer makes. To call them ungrateful because of that is just plain silly.

I think you are missing the point.

Constructively disagreeing with something and offering an alternative is perfectly ok.

And by constructive I don't mean ranting endlessly about something that you don't like. I mean stating what you don't like, why you don't like it, and what could be done about it.

However, I think its fair to say you would be ungrateful to say things like:

"You changed it, so it sucks."

"I don't like how that sword looks. This game is stupid."

Without giving a reason that makes any logical sense.

There are also the people who for some reason they are entitiled to have the game designed around them and anything they disagree with completely ruins the game. I would also throw them in the ungrateful camp.

[JasonPogo]

Razor Wire wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...
Fans have every right to disagree with a decision a developer makes. To call them ungrateful because of that is just plain silly.

I think you are missing the point.

Constructively disagreeing with something and offering an alternative is perfectly ok.

And by constructive I don't mean ranting endlessly about something that you don't like. I mean stating what you don't like, why you don't like it, and what could be done about it.

However, I think its fair to say you would be ungrateful to say things like:

"You changed it, so it sucks."

"I don't like how that sword looks. This game is stupid."

Without giving a reason that makes any logical sense.

There are also the people who for some reason they are entitiled to have the game designed around them and anything they disagree with completely ruins the game. I would also throw them in the ungrateful camp.

Your profile pic is Jacob so you obviously know nothing about games he sucked!

lol no I agree with you.  Anyone can nerd rage but have something to back it up.

[wicked_being]

They wouldn't be making this jump if they weren't sure of it (I hope). Surprise us Bioware. And please, let it be something pleasant.

[Giltspur]

Agreed. I wanted them to continue the Warden. However, I'm open to whatever they're doing instead. As for the Vorlon's comments on Jade Empire, I thought it was great. I wish there were more settings like that in games.

[DadeLeviathan]

Razor Wire wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...
Fans have every right to disagree with a decision a developer makes. To call them ungrateful because of that is just plain silly.

I think you are missing the point.

Constructively disagreeing with something and offering an alternative is perfectly ok.

And by constructive I don't mean ranting endlessly about something that you don't like. I mean stating what you don't like, why you don't like it, and what could be done about it.

However, I think its fair to say you would be ungrateful to say things like:

"You changed it, so it sucks."

"I don't like how that sword looks. This game is stupid."

Without giving a reason that makes any logical sense.

There are also the people who for some reason they are entitiled to have the game designed around them and anything they disagree with completely ruins the game. I would also throw them in the ungrateful camp.

I would agree that freaking out and saying that a game sucks because a feature is in or out is silly. But again, ungrateful is just as silly. If Bioware was Santa Claus and giving out their games for free, then you could call those people ungrateful.

But you can't call someone ungrateful if they dislike something they would have to pay money to buy. If you are thinking about buying the game or have bought the game and a feature pisses you off enough to decry the whole game as a travesty that is your perogative.

To call that person ungrateful is akin to calling someone ungrateful when they rant about the hamburger they bought that isn't cooked the exact way they want. Rude, perhaps, but not ungrateful. Also, we are again talking about a consumer product, in any consumer product there are going to be people who think they are the majority and/or should be. Again, there are many words for those type of people, but ungrateful is not one of them.

[Ecael]

As I posted in another thread:

Ecael wrote...

Silensfurtim wrote...

 okay. ME2 was kinda "dumbed down".

BW,  do we expect a dumbed down DA2? I'm scared that this will be a BG:DA lol.

No, but I expect more dumbed down posters talking about how they were "true fans" of [insert last RPG here].

The RPG everyone is nostalgic about hasn't existed ever since they introduced full voice acting, realistic graphics and lip-sync, cinematic cutscenes, and polished characters/companions (in both personality and looks).

Because people expect those things out of any good game these days - unless you're Nintendo - the writers will always be limited to how much all those listed above will cost (and how much time it will take).

In other words, some people are unsatisfied until they have everything they want, even though it is simply not possible.

Modifié par Ecael, 08 juillet 2010 - 04:10 .

[Soapy86]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

To call that person ungrateful is akin to calling someone ungrateful when they rant about the hamburger they bought that isn't cooked the exact way they want. 

You're dead wrong sir. You don't get a say in Bioware makes their games.

[KennethAFTopp]

I do feel rather bad for bioware, it's like they're really excited to show to awesome stuff, like the bioware marketplace thing, but then there's always that one huge flaw, so the excitement totally goes out the window.

[DadeLeviathan]

Soapy86 wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

To call that person ungrateful is akin to calling someone ungrateful when they rant about the hamburger they bought that isn't cooked the exact way they want. 

You're dead wrong sir. You don't get a say in Bioware makes their games.

I never said I did. That was never my argument. Perhaps the hamburger analogy was the wrong one to use, but my argument is that you cannot call someone ungrateful when they are complaining about a product they have bought/will buy/may buy, etc. They have every right to complain about something they don't like. My argument was never that Bioware needs to listen to them.

Modifié par DadeLeviathan, 08 juillet 2010 - 04:25 .

[Dave of Canada]

Considering my Warden is dead and I've never touched Awakening with a five foot pole with him, I could just pretend that this is a direct sequel. :-D

[AntiChri5]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Razor Wire wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...
Fans have every right to disagree with a decision a developer makes. To call them ungrateful because of that is just plain silly.

I think you are missing the point.

Constructively disagreeing with something and offering an alternative is perfectly ok.

And by constructive I don't mean ranting endlessly about something that you don't like. I mean stating what you don't like, why you don't like it, and what could be done about it.

However, I think its fair to say you would be ungrateful to say things like:

"You changed it, so it sucks."

"I don't like how that sword looks. This game is stupid."

Without giving a reason that makes any logical sense.

There are also the people who for some reason they are entitiled to have the game designed around them and anything they disagree with completely ruins the game. I would also throw them in the ungrateful camp.

I would agree that freaking out and saying that a game sucks because a feature is in or out is silly. But again, ungrateful is just as silly. If Bioware was Santa Claus and giving out their games for free, then you could call those people ungrateful.

But you can't call someone ungrateful if they dislike something they would have to pay money to buy. If you are thinking about buying the game or have bought the game and a feature pisses you off enough to decry the whole game as a travesty that is your perogative.

To call that person ungrateful is akin to calling someone ungrateful when they rant about the hamburger they bought that isn't cooked the exact way they want. Rude, perhaps, but not ungrateful. Also, we are again talking about a consumer product, in any consumer product there are going to be people who think they are the majority and/or should be. Again, there are many words for those type of people, but ungrateful is not one of them.

Except that they dont have to buy it.

[Dave of Canada]

AntiChri5 wrote...
Except that they dont have to buy it.

A bomb has been implemented in my brain, if I don't buy all Bioware games on day 1 - I risk it exploding.

[Loerwyn]

AntiChri5 wrote...
Except that they dont have to buy it.

No, we don't. But, as consumers, it's a "responsibility" of ours to give feedback on products EA BioWare supply to us, and they have every right to ignore that feedback. It's a balance - they have to make their own choices at the end of the day, but they're providing a service and by listening to feedback they can improve that service and perhaps even increase sales by doing so.

I wonder how long it'll be until DA2 is referred to as "Mass Effect with Swords"?

[Eludajae]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
Except that they dont have to buy it.

No, we don't. But, as consumers, it's a "responsibility" of ours to give feedback on products EA BioWare supply to us, and they have every right to ignore that feedback. It's a balance - they have to make their own choices at the end of the day, but they're providing a service and by listening to feedback they can improve that service and perhaps even increase sales by doing so.

I wonder how long it'll be until DA2 is referred to as "Mass Effect with Swords"?

DA is ME with swords! Yay first! lol sorry could not resist.