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[Dtelm]

Haha. No worries man, I did the excact same thing.

[Fudzie]

It sucks, I liked dem dorfs, man!

[Bedlam66]

I Choose GOLEMS.

[Jersey75639]

Fudzie wrote...

I screwed Orzammar over royally without realizing it.

I helped get the chantry set up in the city, helped Harrowmont secure the throne, and destroyed the Anvil of the Void.

The epilogue pretty much states that the Chantry topside are planning to free the crap out of them due to religious persecution.

Yeah, I made those exact same choices my first playthrough.

Basically, Harrowmont is a conservative 'old guard' type, and Bhelen is the progressive guy looking to take everything forwards.  Harrowmont is very honorable, and also very deep-rooted in tradition and keeping things how they've always been.  Bhelen is looking to win by any means necessary, and move Orzammar forward by any means necessary, even if it means stomping all over tradition.  That's what I got out of it, anyways.

[Fudzie]

Yeah, I tried to do as much investigating as I could, and got turned off by Bhelen's methods.



It was a tough choice, though, considering DapperDan's innate respect for nobility in general.

[DemonDarke]

is there any possibility to just sticking my hand up the dead dwarf kings rear, and use him as a sock puppet?



"Hello my Fellow Dwarfs, Im ALIVE!"

"why is that guys hand up your..."

"its just something Im Into."



BWAHAHA!

[Kelston]

If you got to choose the king by who you gave the crown to, why couldn't you give it to Oghren or wear it yourself?

Though after reading all these, I guess I better brace for disappointment since I set up the chantry, destroyed the anvil, and chose Harrowmont.

Modifié par Kelston, 15 novembre 2009 - 06:00 .

[AdamTaylor]

So, Harrowmont without the Anvil, leads to Ozrammar falling apart.

Harrowmont with it I suppose would do a bit better, but would still be all isolated.



Bhelen with the Anvil would probably see a power mad take over the world thing going on.

Bhelen without it might just see a more open Ozrammar.



As for the priest Dwarf... I guess it's best not to help him... unless helping him when Bhelen's in charge lets Ozrammar be more open to other religions.

[ComTrav]

As a dwarf noble origin, I went with Harrowmont without thinking. Time to get my revenge on Bhelen! (I briefly considered trying to reconcile with Bhelen, on the theory that the throne would stay in House Aeducan and I might be restored eventually, but I couldn't help but feel Bhelen would just screw me over again.)



And I preserved the Anvil of the Void, because I wanted the dwarfs to be awesome. And at the end of the game, when the new ruler of Ferelden said they would grant my a boon, I asked for aid for the dwarfs. I also set up the Chantry (+Influence with Leiliana? Sure, why not!) These choices didn't end up well. (Helping the dwarf study at the Circle of Magi turned out to be a pretty good choice, though.) At least I was named a living Paragon, which is pretty cool.



I really like that there's no "third option" with the Anvil to make everyone happy like there are in some other parts of the game.

[Poubo]

Harrowmount... purely for the fact that he was name successor as well as being an honourable person... Bhelen would become a Tyrant, he's too power hungry... all i kept on wanting to do was say "I should lead the dwarfs.." Lord Harrowmount would probably agree with me as he knew i didn't kill Trian... i found it dissapointing that my actions in the origin story didnt really do much for me... like when i went back i was hoping to find the guy who made my dagger, confront the guy in the proving after betraying me, speak to the scholar i helped... but nope... none of that

[Flamin Jesus]

Pf, do what I did, throw a coin, they're both worthless in their own way.



In the end I helped Harrowmont, he (Well, his aide) seemed less sleazy.



Really, who cares, I need armies.

[Mesecina]

I went with Bhelen despite being disgusted by his methods, my pc did some investigating and learned Bhelen is not a fan of caste system as opposed to Harrowmont - so as a Gray Warden I want dwarves to fight the darkspawn with all possible forces right? And not let a large part of population rot in Dust town for a stupid reason like birthright - and well in the end it proved I had a point

[Mordern]

I agreed with Bhelen's "The Ends Justify the Means" ideas, especially considering the poor state of Orzammar as he comes into power. However, I hadn't played the Dwarf Noble origin yet, and if I were playing through as a Dwarf I doubt I'd be able to reconcile with him, even for the greater good.

[Ice0618]

So... if you managed to work yourself into the position of each guy asking you to return with information on either Harrowmont or Bhelen but aren't able to talk to either of them yet, thats it? Game over? Cause thats the position that I've managed to work myself into at the moment. If thats true... have to start all the way back from the beginning of the game some 20 hours ago...

[Flamin Jesus]

I can understand that that would ****** you off, but come on people, keeping an occasional save is just prudent, don't you agree?

[Ice0618]

I was saving occassionally for different things, but didn't think that I was going to come to spot that would end my game for making the "wrong choice" so all the saves that I was making take place after that event.

[Pyro_Monkey]

well I picked harrowmont, he seemed like the "good" guy, and everything seemed to be going well until i got to the epilogue at the end of the game, seems like life in orzammar went down the drain shortly after the blight was ended (Harrowmont was unable to get anything done, constantly being overruled by the assembly, then he was poisoned and the kingdom went back into chaos trying to find a new king, some lunatics tried to rebuild the anvil of the void and got killed by abomination-golems, and it goes on..) Basically, i'd guess that if you want to feel good about your choices, choose harrowmont, but if you care about what happens to Orzammar, choose Bhelen.



as a side note, if you choose the dwarf noble Origin, can you become king?

[DrekorSilverfang]

BryanDerksen wrote...

I think the last person you'd want to have made available as a "third choice" would be Branka.

Insane dwarf willing to smash through hordes of darkspawn to get to the anvil so they can smash more darkspawn with the golems? That sounds like the type of king a grey warden would want no?

I originally sided with Bhelen on my first playthrough, he turned out to be a relatively benevolent dictator which is good, after doing the dwarf noble origin I want nothing more than to stab him in the neck with my dagger. Either way I believe harrowmount is supposed to be the rightful king whether he'll be good or not I'd say probably not... he doesn't play the game of intrigue very well.

Modifié par DrekorSilverfang, 15 novembre 2009 - 09:32 .

[Flamin Jesus]

On the frontline, yes, on the throne, no.

[studfinder]

My first time through this arc I made a stunning realization about both candidates, simply put neither one of them should rule. This goes completely against other such situations in other games I have played where one character is easily good and the other is easily evil. And I must say it was a pleasant change for there to be no real crystal clear answer.

In other words your choice is between b*****d A or b*****d B, both will get you what you want in the end, an army to fight the darkspwan, but neither is capable of standing on their own merits.

[Red Viking]

The interesting thing about the choice is that it's not as clear as you think it is. Like others have said, Harrowmont is the honorable one, but ends up being a terrible king. Bhelen is a horrible person, but he knows how to properly rule a country. I picked Harrowmount first time through and the only thing that went through my head when I watched the epilogue was "oops."

[Dark Specie]

Red Viking wrote...
I picked Harrowmount first time through and the only thing that went through my head when I watched the epilogue was "oops."

Heh, same here. But, well, what can you do? A good man is, unfortunately, not necressarilly a good king.

[ComTrav]

I like a lot how this is an ambiguous decision, with no clear 'right' choice...it just makes me sad that the dwarves get saddled with it, while other parts of Ferelden have 'good' options.

[Raxtoren]

if you play "origin" you know that your sister was selling herself to Bhelen, and if you played the noble part you know he basically killed his brother and tried to kill you as well.
So basically a prince who sleeps with prostitues and tries to kill his family for power... well he would backstab anyone based on tha, so why trust his word of sending trops for your own crusade?

Modifié par Raxtoren, 15 novembre 2009 - 10:25 .

[Thunderfox]

My dwarf Noble choose Bhelen surprisingly.



He is a dick, and I originally want to choose Harrowmont. Harrowmont blieved me, was a friend of my father, and is apparently really in to honor and compromise. Yet Bhelen is a true dwarf playing the politics of Orzammar better than many older Deshyrs. Even Trian says that if he wasn't biased he'd think it a masterful play.



Besides if he wants the throne enough to kill the Heir apparent and exile/kill the next in line, he deserves it.