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[Alikain]

To me both of them are not the right person for the throne. I have side with Harrowmont before and I didn’t like what it says in the epilogue. Same can be said for Bhelen he just goes power crazy and destroy all of orzammer culture. If there was an option not to choose any of them I would have taking that option. But in all I will always choose Harrowmont even if that mean he isolate orzammer from the rest of the world at least they keep their culture.

[Costin_Razvan]

Same can be said for Bhelen he just goes power crazy and destroy all of orzammer culture

The only two things Bhelen does is to give rights to the castless and to dissolve the assembly and thus ending all the blood baths



How is that destroying the dwarven culture?

[Sarah1281]

Behlen just removes any opposition completely like the tyrant he is. Orzamaar grows, but the question is - at what price. Removing of the castes is hte ONLY good thing he does.

Not true. He also is the first leader in generations to take back land from the darkspawn and weakened darkspawn is good for everyone.

It's alot easier to decide if you started Dwarf Noble... Far easier.

I actually disagree. My dwarf noble was the only one who didn't make their choice right away and have, in fact, sided with both in different playthroughs. DC has Rica urging you to side with Bhelen and Harrowmont thinks your family are abominations that should never have been born. My first playthrough (as a HN) I heard somewhere that Bhelen was less insistent on the caste system and after I went to Dust Town...decision made. All my other non-dwarves thought the same thing, especially the CE who saw Dust Town as what the Alienage could eventually become.



My DN, on the other hand, knew that the exile was just politics (but she still wasn't happy), the throne had been in her family for nine generations, and after trying to figure out the deal with the anti-elven sentiment on the surface realized that she couldn't rationalize the caste system. Harrowmont, on the other hand, was who her father wanted as King, cared about traditions, was a better person, and was one of the few people who had stayed on her side. Not to mention that if he hadn't told Gorim to fill her in about Duncan, she would have died in the Deep Roads. And yeah, as Harrowmont's claim to fame was his ability to compromise and grant concessions its not surprising he doesn't get much done. The Paragon, Blight-ending head of House Aeducan, though? Good chance of succeeding him.

On the other hand, no Exalted March is needed at all. They can simply impose economic sanctions.

Yeah, that will never happen. Dwarves trade mostly with surface dwarves and they really only trade lyrium to the Chantry. The Chantry messes with them and they lose their monopoly, which means their lyirum-addicted Templars can't fight, they can't make new Templars, and the mages can have a field day. Of course, I always help found the Chantry as having apostates flock to Orzammar seems like a really bad idea. And it really says something that these non-dwarves would rather live in Orzammar than somewhere without the extreme suspicion of outsiders.

The only two things Bhelen does is to give rights to the castless and to dissolve the assembly and thus ending all the blood baths

And he doesn't even do it to get more power. Bhelen only dissolves the Assembly because they won't stop trying to kill him and it won't be gone forever.

[Satanic Hamster]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't want to spoil anything, but the success of the ruler you choose will depend on another choice you make, when you reach the anvil.

I supported Harrowmont. And I was slightly dissapointed, but not so much, since my choice vis a vis the anvil helped him out a bit. I heard that if one chooses otherwise, Harrowmont would be pratically useless.

You know what?  I was most disappointed that there wasn't more dialogue options at the anvil.  Like:
"Don't commit suicide, your people need you."
"You can die fighting the dark spawn."
etc etc

[Fading]

I've yet to help out Harrowmont, I plan on saving that for my dwarf noble playthrough. I did like the quest overall tho, it had a real world politics feel to it. In that both sides lie in trying to get your help, turn on you (send assassins, have town criers smear you) if you don't allign with them, and the likeable nice guy candidate isn't necessarily the best choice during a war (blight).



On my rogue and mage runs I chose Bhelen simply because I viewed him as the easiest transition (he is the former king's son and normally the rightful next in line) and stronger candidate. I needed my soldiers, and Grey Wardens do what they have to to defeat a blight, even if it's alligning with a backstabbing ass. Having played part of the dwarf noble story now tho, hopefully I get the option of killing Bhelen myself .

[Sarah1281]

Having played part of the dwarf noble story now tho, hopefully I get the option of killing Bhelen myself .

Crowning Harrowmont leads to Bhelen saying he won't accept it and then he and half the Assembly take out weapons and attak so as long as you go straight for Bhelen you'll get your wish (and since right before he attacks he says 'you turned your back on Orzammar when you killed our brother' I was definitely in that frame of mind at the time).

Modifié par Sarah1281, 07 avril 2010 - 09:09 .

[OldMan91]

Harrowmont is much more lenient and merciful, but very stuck with tradition and keeping the caste system as it is.



Bhelen is much more iron fisted, but practical (or radical) and wants to loosen the caste system.