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[allothernamesweretaken]

So, let me get this straight.

There's talk of them scrapping the updated 90's CRPG combat. I seriously hope this isn't true.

They've confirmed they're going with a Shepard system, which despite my love of ME2, I hate. Shepard <i>is not</i> my character, he's some **** who won't stop repeating me. It also signals a move to an ME type plot, with tons of superficial choices, and opposed to Dragon Age's plot, which was completely different depending on your choices.

But this is the worst part. it's coming out, supposedly, on February 1st. Two years to make a full blown RPG?

Yeah, no thanks. You've completely ruined any optimism I had for the sequel to my favorite RPG in a decade. Keep your shallow, 10 hour long bugfest. I'll just mod Dragon Age, and play it again.

[Ecael]

Role-playing game.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Calm down dude, we haven't even seen any videos of the game. Don't be so quick to judge.

[Crusader-Be]

Solostran85 wrote...

Calm down dude, we haven't even seen any videos of the game. Don't be so quick to judge.

yeh, at least wait for these kinda stuff till we got some mo news

[Lord_Saulot]

allothernamesweretaken wrote...

So, let me get this straight.

There's talk of them scrapping the updated 90's CRPG combat. I seriously hope this isn't true.

They've confirmed they're going with a Shepard system, which despite my love of ME2, I hate. Shepard is not my character, he's some **** who won't stop repeating me. It also signals a move to an ME type plot, with tons of superficial choices, and opposed to Dragon Age's plot, which was completely different depending on your choices.

But this is the worst part. it's coming out, supposedly, on February 1st. Two years to make a full blown RPG?

Yeah, no thanks. You've completely ruined any optimism I had for the sequel to my favorite RPG in a decade. Keep your shallow, 10 hour long bugfest. I'll just mod Dragon Age, and play it again.

Bioware hasn't said anything about scrapping the combat - that is an inference people on the forums have drawn.  What Bioware said was "Think like a general and fight like a Spartan with dynamic new combat mechanics that put you right in the heart of battle whether you are a mage, rogue, or warrior."  In fact, that sounds just like the combat that I played on DA:O for PC, so to me its nothing more than marketing hype.  I will assume combat is roughly similar, with improvements, until shown otherwise.

What is the Shepard system you refer to?  Do you mean having a fixed character instead of mutiple origins?  Because so far, what DA2 sounds like is the first game, but without multiple Origins - you can still choose the character's sex and class.

[Sigma Tauri]

So little info, so much drama.

[allothernamesweretaken]

Solostran85 wrote...

Calm down dude, we haven't even seen any videos of the game. Don't be so quick to judge.

You don't need to see videos to understand the implications of the second and third thing.

If they're just making the combat better, rather than turning it into some hack &  slash bull****, I'll consider the game. Otherwise, I'm done, Dragon Age and ME2 were a flash in the pan, and Bioware had learned nothing.

[Gill Kaiser]

It's nonsensical to get up in arms with so little information.

[Majin Paul]

Considering how much information they have revealed, why not just wait til they actually show footage before declaring that you aren't playing the sequel?

And how long should a decent RPG take to make?

[Jonp382]

Baldur's Gate II took around 2 years to release, didn't it? A lot of people here seem to think it was great, can't speak for myself as I haven't played it yet. I'm optimistic about DA2, as they don't have to build a new engine and universe like they had to for DA:O.

Ecael wrote...

Role-playing game.

Mass Effect is labeled that, as is Final Fantasy. It doesn't mean much.

That said, we should wait till more details emerge before jumping to conclusions.

[BeardedNinja]

Wow. Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

I know, how dare they ruin your life by trying to make more money by releasing a sequel, life's just not fair sometime

[UnitedWashclothExpress]

Two years is actually the standard for a sequel.

[allothernamesweretaken]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

allothernamesweretaken wrote...

So, let me get this straight.

There's talk of them scrapping the updated 90's CRPG combat. I seriously hope this isn't true.

They've confirmed they're going with a Shepard system, which despite my love of ME2, I hate. Shepard is not my character, he's some **** who won't stop repeating me. It also signals a move to an ME type plot, with tons of superficial choices, and opposed to Dragon Age's plot, which was completely different depending on your choices.

But this is the worst part. it's coming out, supposedly, on February 1st. Two years to make a full blown RPG?

Yeah, no thanks. You've completely ruined any optimism I had for the sequel to my favorite RPG in a decade. Keep your shallow, 10 hour long bugfest. I'll just mod Dragon Age, and play it again.

Bioware hasn't said anything about scrapping the combat - that is an inference people on the forums have drawn.  What Bioware said was "Think like a general and fight like a Spartan with dynamic new combat mechanics that put you right in the heart of battle whether you are a mage, rogue, or warrior."  In fact, that sounds just like the combat that I played on DA:O for PC, so to me its nothing more than marketing hype.  I will assume combat is roughly similar, with improvements, until shown otherwise.

What is the Shepard system you refer to?  Do you mean having a fixed character instead of mutiple origins?  Because so far, what DA2 sounds like is the first game, but without multiple Origins - you can still choose the character's sex and class.

I hope you're right.

By a Shepard system, I  mean a single preset, voiced character. While I  hope I'm wrong, this implies we won't have as much freedom with Hawke as we did with our DA:O character. We will also, guaranteed, see a reduction in dialogue choices, since they now have to pay for each lines voice acting.

[Loc'n'lol]

allothernamesweretaken wrote...
Two years to make a full blown RPG?

Well, to be fair it most likely reuses a lot of stuff rehashed from DAO. The engine may have been improved but it certainly wasn't redesigned from the ground up, the tools were already there, the team was familiar with them, etc... This must have considerably shortened the development time and allowed them to concentrate on content.
And for all we know it may be delayed anyway, that's not an uncommon thing in video games, right ?

[Ecael]

Jonp382 wrote...

Baldur's Gate II took around 2 years to release, didn't it? A lot of people here seem to think it was great, can't speak for myself as I haven't played it yet. I'm optimistic about DA2, as they don't have to build a new engine and universe like they had to for DA:O.

Ecael wrote...

Role-playing game.

Mass Effect is labeled that, as is Final Fantasy. It doesn't mean much.

That said, we should wait till more details emerge before jumping to conclusions.

That's the point, it doesn't mean much. The actual definition of an RPG is very broad.

[allothernamesweretaken]

UnitedWashclothExpress wrote...

Two years is actually the standard for a sequel.

RPG's aren't standard games. The two year dev cycle is standard nowadays, but making an RPG takes a lot longer than that. At least 3 or 4. This isn't a 10 hour shooter.

[Rawgrim]

I have to agree with Jonp382 on this one. Too many games gets the "rpg" label now adays, when they only have 1-2 rpg elements in them.

[Lord_Saulot]

allothernamesweretaken wrote...

UnitedWashclothExpress wrote...

Two years is actually the standard for a sequel.

RPG's aren't standard games. The two year dev cycle is standard nowadays, but making an RPG takes a lot longer than that. At least 3 or 4. This isn't a 10 hour shooter.

Baldur's Gate was released in 1998 and Baldur's Gate 2 in 2000.

[Polemists05]

Agreed, but it's the new age. Bioware and most rpgs devs are getting owned by larger companies now. Square Enix got bought out. Bioware got bought out. Etc.



These large companies are giving limited windows to make games. DAO was 3-5 year dev cycle, DA 2 is 18month cycle I heard so year and a half almost. Bioware has said many, many times, while they'd love to do a game with as much dialogue as Planescape or as much breadth as Baldur's Gate 2, with the amount of money games take today, they just can't. It's a new age of rpgs, they are for the most part much more focused, story driven games with high graphics and advanced dialogue systems.



I dont' consider this bad, just the way games have evolved.

[thisisdell]

allothernamesweretaken wrote...

So, let me get this straight.

There's talk of them scrapping the updated 90's CRPG combat. I seriously hope this isn't true.

They've confirmed they're going with a Shepard system, which despite my love of ME2, I hate. Shepard is not my character, he's some **** who won't stop repeating me. It also signals a move to an ME type plot, with tons of superficial choices, and opposed to Dragon Age's plot, which was completely different depending on your choices.

But this is the worst part. it's coming out, supposedly, on February 1st. Two years to make a full blown RPG?

Yeah, no thanks. You've completely ruined any optimism I had for the sequel to my favorite RPG in a decade. Keep your shallow, 10 hour long bugfest. I'll just mod Dragon Age, and play it again.

Later buddy.  Sorry your such a hater! Have fun with your JRPG's. LMAO.

[Chris Priestly]

Well, the OP's mind is made up with the news being roughly 4 hours old. Certainly there is nothing more to say, be shown or learn between now and launch.

Oh wait, actually there is pretty much everything to learn between now and launch.

This is just the reveal folks. I caution people from saying either "this is the worst or best ever blah blah blah" until you actually start to learn about things. As I said, this is just the very start of a lot of information to come before we launch. Lots more information and details to come. Stay tuned.

[allothernamesweretaken]

thisisdell wrote...

allothernamesweretaken wrote...

So, let me get this straight.

There's talk of them scrapping the updated 90's CRPG combat. I seriously hope this isn't true.

They've confirmed they're going with a Shepard system, which despite my love of ME2, I hate. Shepard is not my character, he's some **** who won't stop repeating me. It also signals a move to an ME type plot, with tons of superficial choices, and opposed to Dragon Age's plot, which was completely different depending on your choices.

But this is the worst part. it's coming out, supposedly, on February 1st. Two years to make a full blown RPG?

Yeah, no thanks. You've completely ruined any optimism I had for the sequel to my favorite RPG in a decade. Keep your shallow, 10 hour long bugfest. I'll just mod Dragon Age, and play it again.

Later buddy.  Sorry your such a hater! Have fun with your JRPG's. LMAO.

Have fun with your not reading. Name one JRPG with as much player choice as Dragon Age had.

Lord_Saulot wrote...

allothernamesweretaken wrote...

UnitedWashclothExpress wrote...

Two years is actually the standard for a sequel.

RPG's aren't standard games. The two year dev cycle is standard nowadays, but making an RPG takes a lot longer than that. At least 3 or 4. This isn't a 10 hour shooter.

Baldur's Gate was released in 1998 and Baldur's Gate 2 in 2000.

Ten years ago, when making a game was much simpler, with 90% reused assets.

[allothernamesweretaken]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Well, the OP's mind is made up with the news being roughly 4 hours old. Certainly there is nothing more to say, be shown or learn between now and launch.

Oh wait, actually there is pretty much everything to learn between now and launch.

This is just the reveal folks. I caution people from saying either "this is the worst or best ever blah blah blah" until you actually start to learn about things. As I said, this is just the very start of a lot of information to come before we launch. Lots more information and details to come. Stay tuned.

Can you at the very least confirm that the combat isn't being turned into some action RPG or something?  That would soothe a lot of concerns.
 
A lot of us fell in love with Dragon Age because it was a type of game that basically went extinct after BG2.

Modifié par allothernamesweretaken, 08 juillet 2010 - 05:23 .

[Gill Kaiser]

The combat changes are my main worry, too. The rest sounds good.