I don't have much concerns with DA2 right now, I have a bit of hopes, but I will wait for a trailer to see what comes. I will not go into a blind rage and whine like many people here about how I won't like being a human in DA2, as long as you can be female and male Hawke, and as long as you can choose what kind of person he will be in the game, I am fine, also I don't mind voiced over pc, however HE MUST SAY WHAT I READ. I recall in Mass effect reading the dialogue wheel and choosing some option, but Shepard said something totally different which was not what I was expecting. Overall before I judge something and again I wait anxiously for trailers and more info.
The (Un)Official Concerns with Dragon Age 2 thread
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#102
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 08:13
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Rather than being a game in it's own right, it's a carbon copy of Mass Effect in order to influence the sales.
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 08:30
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It seems like we will still be playing Baldur's gate for a very long time.
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 08:40
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Dave of Canada wrote...
Rather than being a game in it's own right, it's a carbon copy of Mass Effect in order to influence the sales.
Dragon Age Origins outsold Mass Effect, if they wanted to influence the sales as you say, they should have gone with what the majority wanted and continued the warden's story from DAO and DAA.
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 08:58
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This sums things up pretty well:
www.somethingawful.com/d/video-game-article/dragon-age-reaction.php
I will reserve judgement until they release a lot more information. It feels like the stages of DA:O where the game was still just called Dragon Age, and the website was a few old pieces of concept art, listing features such as a co-op multiplayer campaign. As of now it looks like the game is going in a more KOTOR-esque direction rather than being more like BG. Of course, there's so little information that I could be totally wrong. The only real concern I have is that have a set protagonist will limit Role Playing options, or that having fully VO'd main characters will lead to a decrease in the amount of dialogue.
www.somethingawful.com/d/video-game-article/dragon-age-reaction.php
I will reserve judgement until they release a lot more information. It feels like the stages of DA:O where the game was still just called Dragon Age, and the website was a few old pieces of concept art, listing features such as a co-op multiplayer campaign. As of now it looks like the game is going in a more KOTOR-esque direction rather than being more like BG. Of course, there's so little information that I could be totally wrong. The only real concern I have is that have a set protagonist will limit Role Playing options, or that having fully VO'd main characters will lead to a decrease in the amount of dialogue.
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:19
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I think my concerns have already been repeated, but here's my two cents:
-I'm concerned that we won't be able to import the characters's playthroughs from Origins into DA2 so that things that would affect Thedas, and not just Fereldan, will be unique to the playthrough. I've read the other concerns related to the Warden's affect in the universe, and I've researched what little there is of official word about the game, and I have to say I'm already accepting that we may not hear much of our Warden in this game because its based in another country in Thedas and events are happening separate to what happened in Fereldan in Origins. One thing we have to remember is that the Blight was more of an insular event because the Archdemon was specifically targeting Fereldan. But my point still stands: I seriously hope nothing is just canonized in DA2 because that would severely limit our play options in future sequels, as I'm assuming DA2 is more of a separate story rather than a true sequel and we'll see our Warden again in DA3.
-This has been repeated countless times by others, but I'm afraid of where the conversation and combat system will go. I loved DA's classic throwback style and I loved text-based responses, as they felt more original and made sense (the Mass Effect series' paragon/renegade responses lately have been confusing). I'm a console player, and I DO NOT support the dumbing down of game elements to please more casual console players.
-I fear that RPG elements, choices, and character customization will be very simplified like ME2. Given that we're playing a more pre-set character, I hope I'm wrong and later we find that we'll get the same depth of choices that we got in DAO
-I'm concerned that we won't be able to import the characters's playthroughs from Origins into DA2 so that things that would affect Thedas, and not just Fereldan, will be unique to the playthrough. I've read the other concerns related to the Warden's affect in the universe, and I've researched what little there is of official word about the game, and I have to say I'm already accepting that we may not hear much of our Warden in this game because its based in another country in Thedas and events are happening separate to what happened in Fereldan in Origins. One thing we have to remember is that the Blight was more of an insular event because the Archdemon was specifically targeting Fereldan. But my point still stands: I seriously hope nothing is just canonized in DA2 because that would severely limit our play options in future sequels, as I'm assuming DA2 is more of a separate story rather than a true sequel and we'll see our Warden again in DA3.
-This has been repeated countless times by others, but I'm afraid of where the conversation and combat system will go. I loved DA's classic throwback style and I loved text-based responses, as they felt more original and made sense (the Mass Effect series' paragon/renegade responses lately have been confusing). I'm a console player, and I DO NOT support the dumbing down of game elements to please more casual console players.
-I fear that RPG elements, choices, and character customization will be very simplified like ME2. Given that we're playing a more pre-set character, I hope I'm wrong and later we find that we'll get the same depth of choices that we got in DAO
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:21
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ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Dragon Age Origins outsold Mass Effect, if they wanted to influence the sales as you say, they should have gone with what the majority wanted and continued the warden's story from DAO and DAA.
Vocal forum members != majority.
#108
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:23
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taine wrote...
This sums things up pretty well:
www.somethingawful.com/d/video-game-article/dragon-age-reaction.php
I will reserve judgement until they release a lot more information. It feels like the stages of DA:O where the game was still just called Dragon Age, and the website was a few old pieces of concept art, listing features such as a co-op multiplayer campaign. As of now it looks like the game is going in a more KOTOR-esque direction rather than being more like BG. Of course, there's so little information that I could be totally wrong. The only real concern I have is that have a set protagonist will limit Role Playing options, or that having fully VO'd main characters will lead to a decrease in the amount of dialogue.
Thank you, taine. That was honestly the funniest thing I've read in a while.
"This is not what my imagination tells me I was promised!"
#109
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:28
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taine wrote...
This sums things up pretty well:
www.somethingawful.com/d/video-game-article/dragon-age-reaction.php
This just made my day.
Thank you taine!
#110
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:28
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PureMethodActor wrote...
I'm a console player, and I DO NOT support the dumbing down of game elements to please more casual console players.
Yeah, I agree, those "people" (if you can call them that...) who don't play video games as often as you are subhuman scum who are obviously dumber than you are and can be blamed for anything you don't like!
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:30
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This one's probably been said a few times but it's what I feel is disappoining....
I had formed such a satisfying connection with the characters (as well as my own) from the first game and I had hoped for more adventures with them.
I was especially hoping for some expansion on the Morrigan baby plot line.
There doesn't seem to be anything in what's been revealed yet to indicate any of our old friends will return.
At any rate, I have had such a blast with Origins that I'm excited to see what they do with DA2 and am prepared for the posibility that I will love what it is enough to forget about what it isn't.
I had formed such a satisfying connection with the characters (as well as my own) from the first game and I had hoped for more adventures with them.
I was especially hoping for some expansion on the Morrigan baby plot line.
There doesn't seem to be anything in what's been revealed yet to indicate any of our old friends will return.
At any rate, I have had such a blast with Origins that I'm excited to see what they do with DA2 and am prepared for the posibility that I will love what it is enough to forget about what it isn't.
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:34
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poopville wrote...
There doesn't seem to be anything in what's been revealed yet to indicate any of our old friends will return.
Which isn't surprising, since barely *anything* has been revealed yet. The game was announced, what, two days ago? Information always trickles out a very slow pace.
#113
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:37
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While I think it's premature to judge most of it, and I think there will be mitigating factors, if nothing changes I will be sad to see us limited to "Hawke" the human. Especially with voice acting. That was a mistake in Mass Effect and it's a mistake now. I liked Mass Effect, don't get me wrong, but I'd have liked it a lot more if I hadn't been pushed into the voice, name and species of Commander Shepard.
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:38
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My only concern is that they will push back the release date. I have faith in Bioware's ability to make quality games. This game is gonna open a can of... a six pack of... It's gonna tap a keg of kickazz.
EDIT: Typo.
EDIT: Typo.
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#115
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:38
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So far this is looking pretty terrible - I loved classes and the amount of dialog/trees in the first (if this is anything like any of the expansions with poopy storys and mindless killing (with exception to RtO) then I wont be buying it ) I agree with the fable comments - seems like a copy paste of that or of kotor
Im also a bit worried of what Ive read about the hero - doesnt seem very brave and looks like no blight darkspawn or anything else - next they will import some phaser guns or something.
Anyways they better not use that cr*p new dialog system - awakening and such were horrid -
And I hope they put the romance back in - again awakenings really killed the DA:O for me - kinda of like star wars 1/2/3 - after watching that trash i havent even wanted to look at the originals again
Im also a bit worried of what Ive read about the hero - doesnt seem very brave and looks like no blight darkspawn or anything else - next they will import some phaser guns or something.
Anyways they better not use that cr*p new dialog system - awakening and such were horrid -
And I hope they put the romance back in - again awakenings really killed the DA:O for me - kinda of like star wars 1/2/3 - after watching that trash i havent even wanted to look at the originals again
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:39
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I have the same worries about not playing our Warden, choice of race, and length of game play. I am also wondering about the art style and gameplay. I hope they don't with the PS 3 Move or the other other one Xbox and doing the graphics in 3D.
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Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:41
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isdngirl wrote...
So far this is looking pretty terrible - I loved classes and the amount of dialog/trees in the first...
Umm, the game still has the same classes in it. And a dialogue wheel doesn't mean the absence of dialogue trees, it's just newer way of structuring them.
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#118
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:49
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1.I was concerned that DA2 would be a clean slate and therefore not carry over the story of the Warden. Reason is that I hated the ending in Awakening. So, unless there is another DA expansion in the works, this concern has come to fruition.
2.Hawke will still act like a lump on a log, despite the VA. Both Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale, maleShep and femShep in Mass Effect, are talented VAs. (Mark was the Biotic God for those who do not know and Hale has been doing VA for 15 years). However, and for whatever reason, both Sheps were nearly emotionless in many scenes throughout both games. Hale emoted slightly more, but only slightly. I fear the same, if not worse, will happen to Hake.
3.DA2 will use Awakening style dialog. Hated it!! Leliana’s Song seemed to combine VA, Origins style and Awakening style dialog. Fine. I just don’t want Awakening style to replace Origins style. I WILL NOT BUY THIS GAME IF IT DOES!
4.DA2 will go from RPG to FPS. From “Press Release details and release date change – Kotaku”
“Dynamic new combat mechanics that put you right in the heart of the battle"? Hmm. The PC version of Dragon Age 1 (really called Dragon Age: Origins) allowed gamers to play from an overhead perspective, either pausing the action or playing in realtime. The console versions only allowed the game to be played from more of a behind-the-character perspective. The phrasing here implies a closer combat perspective, no?”
I know this is just speculation from a gaming site and they “gaming sites in general” tend to get things all wrong, still this does bring up a concern as the same thing happened w/ Mass Effect.
5.Commentary: I’ll definitely give BW the benefit of the doubt and wait and see on DA2. For me they have earned it. I’ve loved their games from Baulder’s Gate to Mass Effect 2. But, and there is no real blame here, it may be just time to give up on gaming all together. As PC games begin to more and more emulate consoles, they no longer hold my interest and I doubt this will change. A great song writer once said, “The Times They are a Changin’.” They don’t always change the way you want them to.
2.Hawke will still act like a lump on a log, despite the VA. Both Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale, maleShep and femShep in Mass Effect, are talented VAs. (Mark was the Biotic God for those who do not know and Hale has been doing VA for 15 years). However, and for whatever reason, both Sheps were nearly emotionless in many scenes throughout both games. Hale emoted slightly more, but only slightly. I fear the same, if not worse, will happen to Hake.
3.DA2 will use Awakening style dialog. Hated it!! Leliana’s Song seemed to combine VA, Origins style and Awakening style dialog. Fine. I just don’t want Awakening style to replace Origins style. I WILL NOT BUY THIS GAME IF IT DOES!
4.DA2 will go from RPG to FPS. From “Press Release details and release date change – Kotaku”
“Dynamic new combat mechanics that put you right in the heart of the battle"? Hmm. The PC version of Dragon Age 1 (really called Dragon Age: Origins) allowed gamers to play from an overhead perspective, either pausing the action or playing in realtime. The console versions only allowed the game to be played from more of a behind-the-character perspective. The phrasing here implies a closer combat perspective, no?”
I know this is just speculation from a gaming site and they “gaming sites in general” tend to get things all wrong, still this does bring up a concern as the same thing happened w/ Mass Effect.
5.Commentary: I’ll definitely give BW the benefit of the doubt and wait and see on DA2. For me they have earned it. I’ve loved their games from Baulder’s Gate to Mass Effect 2. But, and there is no real blame here, it may be just time to give up on gaming all together. As PC games begin to more and more emulate consoles, they no longer hold my interest and I doubt this will change. A great song writer once said, “The Times They are a Changin’.” They don’t always change the way you want them to.
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#119
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:59
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Concerns? WHERE TO BEGIN?!
1) Fixed character.
2) No choosing of race.
3) Still can only be a rogue, warrior, or mage.
4) The combat was amazing in the first one.
5) This is basically going to be Mass Effect in the past now.
6) Not carrying over the whole warden origins and such
7) not even 2 years of waiting and the game is already being pushed out so I guess a 30 hour story.
8) We more than likely will not get full scale customization of our already disappointing character as far as choice in what to be.
9) The combat will not blow my mind and I will like DA:O more just like I enjoy ME more than ME2.
10) The game will BOMB.
1) Fixed character.
2) No choosing of race.
3) Still can only be a rogue, warrior, or mage.
4) The combat was amazing in the first one.
5) This is basically going to be Mass Effect in the past now.
6) Not carrying over the whole warden origins and such
7) not even 2 years of waiting and the game is already being pushed out so I guess a 30 hour story.
8) We more than likely will not get full scale customization of our already disappointing character as far as choice in what to be.
9) The combat will not blow my mind and I will like DA:O more just like I enjoy ME more than ME2.
10) The game will BOMB.
#120
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 10:09
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If BW wants DA2 to be perfect all they need to do is look in the list of the most popular mods. If it ain't broken, it wouldn't have need fixing...
That being said: i don't know how powers application will go in DA2, but the quickbar needs fixing (multiple quickbars like nwn, would be optimal)
And it's just my opinion, so pls don't flame, but i think the global cooldown should crossover to the DA world and make things much simpler...
That being said: i don't know how powers application will go in DA2, but the quickbar needs fixing (multiple quickbars like nwn, would be optimal)
And it's just my opinion, so pls don't flame, but i think the global cooldown should crossover to the DA world and make things much simpler...
#121
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 10:12
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I've posted this elsewhere, but this seems to be the thread where it might be seen.
My only real concern at this point is that there will be radial menus in the PC version. These are fine on consoles but horrible with kb+mouse. Mice operated easiest in strainght-ish lines not in circles. Now with luck the 'dialogue wheel' is only a wheel on consoles and Bioware are keeping to lists for PC. I'm sure we'll find out well before the game comes out, but you did ask for my concerns...
My only real concern at this point is that there will be radial menus in the PC version. These are fine on consoles but horrible with kb+mouse. Mice operated easiest in strainght-ish lines not in circles. Now with luck the 'dialogue wheel' is only a wheel on consoles and Bioware are keeping to lists for PC. I'm sure we'll find out well before the game comes out, but you did ask for my concerns...
#122
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 10:13
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i still haven't finished with DA:O, but a trailer is a long way from actually releasing it. They haven't even released the morrigan DLC, whats the worry?
#123
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 10:22
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im afraid that they make combat hack&slash... i dont know why people whine about the combat in DAO, i think its fun and tribute to oldschool players like me 
the whole having character with predermined past is kinda "JRPG" sounding... sure the first one had this too where as you were either human noble or dalish elf but still you had lots of freedom, now it sounds like its just one possibility and even that is thinned down, just like in ME.
graphic updates can be only good thing and what ive seen on the concept arts it looks like the direction is good. anything that changes the horrible looking armors cant be bad.
the whole having character with predermined past is kinda "JRPG" sounding... sure the first one had this too where as you were either human noble or dalish elf but still you had lots of freedom, now it sounds like its just one possibility and even that is thinned down, just like in ME.
graphic updates can be only good thing and what ive seen on the concept arts it looks like the direction is good. anything that changes the horrible looking armors cant be bad.
#124
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 10:23
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tbsking wrote...
I am quite unable to relate my concerns in a consice way, so here's a shot at it:
- I like my Warden. I feel personally attached to my Warden. I've gone on adventures with him, I've laughed with him, I've managed to shed a few tears with him. He's a real character to me, a living part of the setting. It took an entire game for me to become attached to him, and I want to know what becomes of him. I don't want to play as someone else that they've already decided on.
I agree one-hundred-and-fifty-percent. When I finished DA:O, I picked the sacrifice first. I was so moved at my character dieing like that, I had to go back to a save and do the ritual ending to cheer myself up. Having my own character is important to me, it's a part of my immersion, its a way of escaping, to shape a storyline how I wish to with my own creation. I don't like the FF games and nor did I like the ME games for the same reason - the protagonists are not my creation, and I don't relate to them at all.
#125
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 10:24
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Graavigala85: It is confirmed that the combat will not change for PC users.
