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[Wynne]

n2nw wrote...

And the endings....no thanks.  Although Garrus' in ME2 was a little cute, Jacob's made me want to cringe behind my chair and Thane.....well, he wasn't concerned about you dying....just himself.

DAO had much better romances.  Although I still wasn't overly impressed with the in-game endings (a little more of a good-luck romance before the final showdown would have been nice), I was happy with their epilogues.  But in all these games, the romance is so one-way.  The NPCs are all about themselves and they leave me feeling like this: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=OS_2RRQZodw

2.  Make the NPCs get to know me.  I would love to be chased a little.  Zevran was the closest to that, but let's face it...he was just a sexhound.  I want them to ask about me...where do I come from, how do I feel about this or that, what's made me into the person I am, do I want kids, where do I see myself in 5 years, do I like paper or plastic...Which brings me to #3:

3.  Give me people who care about what happens to me:  If my family is slaughtered, tell me how sorry you are.  If I get the crap beat out of me or I'm torn apart emotionally by some tragic event, ask me how I am.  I'm really tired of NPCs worrying about each other and expecting me to be tough enough to deal with it.  Let me be comforted, too.  Especially by my romanceable.  Let them catch me by surprise with a thoughtful gift to cheer me up, or pull me aside to ask if I'm okay.

4.  Romanceable NPCs that give me a break.  Zevran and Alistair would let you flirt around, up to a point, and you could win their favor back by giving gifts.  That was nice.  I don't like having one mistake or a little disagreement to totally end the whole affair.  And up to a certain point, you should be able to flirt with multiple people without bad consequences.

7.  A nice little scene and dialogue with just me and my romanceable NPC before the final showdown.  Yeah, I like the closure with the group.  But it only makes sense that there would be *something* more going on with you and your beloved.  ME ((I think you meant DA?)) totally failed in this.  You don't need to voice a commitment in order to show you care, but you can say *something* .  At least Kaiden *did* tell me he didn't know what he'd do without me and we did have one last night together...for what it was worth.  Alistair didn't even bother to ask me in for one last fling!  Come on, writers!  Give us a "night before the final battle dialogue" that will curl our toes and make us beg for more!!

8.  Someone(s) who pine(s) for me.  After I turned Zevran or Alistair down, I wouldn't have minded seeing a little angst from time to time.  Then, at the end, they could tell me how they still loved me (or that they'd always love me) and hoped I'd be safe.  Or it could be someone who you'd been with all along and never suspected a thing....how awesome if Sten came up at the final DAO battle and said how much he wished things had been different!  Or Bann Teagan, or Ser Perth, etc.

*hugs* I agree with EVERYTHING you said, but especially these parts, holy crap! You said *exactly* what I've been feeling. I mean, really, if you think about it, Redcliffe would've been a good place to have one of those encounters--just, like, these people are facing death. It doesn't really hit home as much if people aren't clinging to one another.

Based on what I've read, I have to recommend the (fully voiced) Ser Gilmore mod--Immort did a GREAT job of making the Human Noble origin feel richer, deeper, and more compelling. He actually lets you cry on his shoulder and shows sympathy instead of just brushing it all off or expecting you to deal with it! And since he KNEW your parents, felt gratitude to your family, his connection and empathy mean all the more. You can play as another origin and still romance him, but I like the connection to the past that you have if you play a human noble; it feels really nice.

SirOccam wrote...

It would be cool if there were more
dramatic scenes where stuff could occur more organically. Like during
"romantic moments" or something. Perhaps the PC could even initiate
these romantic moments, like asking the LI if they want to go on a walk
or whatever. Or maybe just during more personal and deep conversations.

And
it's not just romance stuff either...arguments and maybe even brawls
would be cool too.

I so agree! That would be a lot nicer and more natural. The romances are a bit too formulaic in that regard; in real life, you'd do more than just stand staring dead-eyed at your love interest. You'd sit beside the fire, walk around, maybe stare up at the moon... they could make the romances so interesting and compelling that way, that I think even people who usually don't dig them would feel drawn in.

[Tizle]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Okay I see a thread about same sex romances but not one about the romances in general,so out of curiousity I will make a this thread.

So, what are your hope and dreams about the romances in DA2? What kind of characters do you want to romance?

They better make an awesome male character to replace Alistair  and Im sure they will.

i have a question, in DA:O weren't you supposed to be able to "tap" leliana? i didn't do it w/ my human noble but i tried it w/ my dwarf noble. i had her in my party the whole game, did stuff she liked, gave her presents... i never got to "tap that". has anyone else tried this or are humans/maybe elves allowed to "tap that"?

[Tizle]

Wynne wrote...

Does anybody want a male dwarven love interest for a female PC? Personally, I'm feeling a great big "dear heavens no" on that one, despite being quite fond of Gorim and all.  I love female dwarves, but the males to me (Gorim somewhat excepted) were like the absolute antithesis of sexy. It's not the shortness--I think tall chicks with short guys are absolutely adorable--it's more the stocky muscularness and the BEARDS. Ugh. Maybe because my dad has a big curly beard that he could almost braid if he wanted to. I subconsciously associate male dwarves with Santa Claus and my father; in other words, platonic good humor, decidedly not HAWT SECKS. I'd really rather have a dwarf and an elf than more humans. 

Yeah, now that I think of it, I could seriously go for NO human love interests (unless there's a male mage and/or female warrior; that I could handle because it's at least less common, and I think in the second installment they should feel a bit more free to do that sort of thing.) I mean, seriously, 3 love interests were humans last time, and the only one who wasn't was a murderer. What is with all the human love? Our planet is full of us and in real life, we have no choice but to copulate with one; no other creatures on this planet are sentient. But if there were elves and dwarves, I've no doubt there would be people lining up for that. Interracial attraction is cool.

I hope that since we're playing humans, that our love interests won't be human. I can stomach being human as long as I'm not also surrounded by humans in a universe where the elves and dwarves are so interesting. I'm crossing my fingers that they've been planning for that and realized there were too many humans in the first game.

Except for Bann Teagan. He could human up anybody's PC any freakin' day of the weak and I doubt they'd complain.

mopotter wrote...

i would hope they will give us both.

I
liked Atlon and Canderous (a big ol' soft teddybear in my game) ,
Zevran not so much until I gave him darker hair and a face from a
 modder and even then he really didn't appeal to me much.   I don't want
to have just the bad boy or the good guy.  I want them both. 

I wish so bad that there was some sort of EPIC AGREEMENT smiley or something, because I agree with this a lot. Though I quite loved Alistair and eventually Zevran for what they were, and I liked that they gave Alistair such rich, meaty, infuriating, heartbreaking flaws and gave you such a Loghain-in-Stolen-Throne choice about the whole thing, I wish Zevran hadn't been so extreme in that vicious undercurrent that sometimes popped up, and I wish Alistair had been less naive. They weren't bad characters by any means, they were great characters, but I think there's a sweet spot for romances which they're extremely close to but not quite in. I never felt torn between them.

Canderous was too old for me to go for him over Carth, but I loved his personality, the interactions, and the actor and he totally was a silver fox. But Atton... Atton for me is the character on a pedestal, even as flawed as Obsidian's KOTOR 2 was, being a product of not-completely-realized ambition. Atton... Atton and his wonderful chiaroscuro version of grey morality. His self-made redemption was wonderful--you could see how he'd been set adrift morally and how he felt lost, how he needed someone to help him make sense of the pieces his life had become. His lustful glances and witty banter were never able to completely hide his respect for and almost worshipful adoration of the Exile. He had heart underneath that perverted exterior. He was also super-cute, mind you, much like Gann (who, oddly, reminds me a bit of Thomas Raith from the Dresden Files in personality.) And both had very talented actors with mid-ranged, smooth, sexy voices, which didn't even vaguely hurt. (Crispin Freeman and Nicky Katt are great. So was Steve Valentine, of course. And Greg Ellis, for that matter. And many others.) 

Atton and Gann are, in retrospect, my two favorite romances in any game ever made. I have loved all of Bioware's romances to varying degrees, but for me Obsidian's characters were the sweet spot (even Bishop... damn you, Bishop... although, the ending for his romance sucked, probably also a victim of their chronic too-much-ambition-not-enough-time syndrome). Not too weak, not too strong; not too feminine, not too masculine; not too ugly, not too pretty; not too good, not too bad. (Except for Bishop. Damn you, Bishop!)

But Obsidian sometimes got a little too flowery with their dialogue in those games, which is part of why it was refreshing to see them do a modern game without that stuff. If Bioware can get even closer to that sweet spot, I think they could someday make me love a character more than Atton or Gann--which would be quite a feat.

I'm rooting for them. Hear me, writers? I'm rooting for you! Make me melt into such a gooey, incoherent puddle of emotion that I make all my friends and family laugh at me when I gush and moon about your romance.

what is majorlaine??? maybe this is why i could not "tap" leliana as my dwarf male!!!

[Hell Mutant]

wow

[Wynne]

laradenton wrote...

For whatever it's worth, I don't want a dwarven male LI either, even more so when the protagonist is human. I can't stand the beards, nor the bulkiness. The shortness bothers me also, not the human-elven one, not one bit, I think a human female and Zevran were cute, but the human-dwarven one, a lot.

Oh, I totally agree! It's almost like a sitcom, if you have somebody like Anora with somebody like Oghren... the whole cartoonish Ugly Guy Hot Wife trope.

Victoriaa wrote...

What does everyone have against dwarvenLIs? >:| Dwarves are awesome, even though they are not normally considered "beautiful".

Cool, hairy dwarf dude > Pretty, fragile & shallow elf/human (Leliana, I'm looking at you!) Having both would be awesome, though.

In real life I have a tall, pretty aunt who married an actual real-life dwarf, but he didn't have yards of facial braids or a giant, hideous nose and small, beady eyes or ugly purple wrinkles and saggy skin like most of the male dwarves in DAO. For romances that are supposed to appeal to loads of players, I guess they could make a handsome male dwarf, but they'd have to be drastically different-looking from the average DAO dwarf and NOTHING LIKE OGHREN IN ANY WAY. *lol*

Leliana wasn't shallow, though. Just really, really girly. Personally, though I'm straight, I'd pick her or even a different-looking version of her over Oghren any day. Ugh.

I would love a female dwarf LI, but not so much a male one. Furry chests are not sexy to me, stocky and burly guys even less so, loads of facial hair even LESS so--all of that makes me think of my old man, and that ain't sexy.

Golden-Rose wrote...

Yes, but ONLY if they are done in the same fashion as Gorim (dwarven gentleman *swoon* ...I am so sad he and
my female dwarf noble could not be together) and Leske (cocky and stocky, but he still has a rugged, charming sexiness to him).

Now, I admit, that I could handle... I did love Gorim, and Leske had his charm. But I'd prefer a dwarven female and elven/human male LIs, ideally. If they did it right I could appreciate it, but since the player character isn't a dwarf and can't play one this time, it might feel/look sort of strange, to me at least. I'm just so used to being the short one in the relationship! *chuckles*

Broken_Fate117 wrote...

Here's another vote for an evil
romance option! I always played NWN2 as an evil character, and so loved Bishop every time. If DA2 allows for an evil PC (rather than DAO allowing for the PC to be a jerk, but still save the world), that'd be even more reason to provide an evil LI.

You know, even though I played Chaotic Good on my very first playthrough, I passed over Casavir for Bishop. Bishop interacted with ME; Casavir had Katriona pining for him but was oblivious about it, and the only thing that made his sword rise (if you know what I mean) was OLD OWL WELL. A character like Bishop... if you could have resolved all his issues, that would have been incredibly rewarding as a romance. *sigh* Too bad they didn't finish it.

I don't think you need to even play an evil character to have feelings for one, if that character has the right attitude. Then you can either encourage them to stay on the path or try to help them sort out whatever made them so bitter and cruel. Either path is very rewarding, if you ask me. But it was oh so spicy and so very, very deep as a romance to have Bishop develop feelings for someone who was the exact opposite of both Casavir and him, in a way. Someone who subverted the stuffy noble knight and prudish princess stereotypes he had in his head. I really wanted to be able to explore that. *sighs again*  If only.

I'm not the type who can't see the appeal of Zevran... but it took me a long while, and even now I find letting him live to be a very taxing proposition--I do it, but not because I think it makes any sense from an RP perspective, since you don't have any reason in the beginning to believe you won't wake up with a knife in your back, not even from how he talks. But Bishop... he was self-aware. He just had that whole learned-helplessness thing going on; he believed change was neither possible nor even worthwhile--the only alternative he saw to his way was Casavir and all the other hypocritical bastards out there. Life had taught him that. I would have liked to show him he was wrong. I have a soft spot miles wide for that sort of person; I didn't live that kind of life, but I got close enough that I can fully and wholly comprehend it.

Lots of people would defend Casavir, but he shows all sorts of concern for the pretty, young heroine he wants to sleep with even if she is evil as sin--and none at all for Bishop, whom he dismisses from having any worth as a person for being "an evil man." That kind of sanctimonious, towering hypocrisy will never be my thing. I can't take his whole "gentleman" and "noble, errant knight" shtick seriously when I know that he is so affected by beauty and femininity that he sees me as being a victim of Bishop's wicked influence even if I was always the female version of Bishop myself! That made me so angry. Give me an honest man anyday, even if he has an ugly past and a bitter nature. Honesty I can deal with.

Modifié par Wynne, 14 juillet 2010 - 04:04 .

[th8827]

What about a half Elf, half Dward love interest? That would be interesting.



Also, I support the evil Love Interest, too.

[DanteCousland]

How about we liven things up abit. Incest was alot more common in those days (seen as keeping the bloodline "pure")....*hinting at Bethany*.....

More Gay Options as well. Zevran was okay but he and Leliana were the only Gay Romances... Whereas they could double up with alistair and Morrigan as LIs. An evil sorceress to replace my precious Morrigan

[Wynne]

I think I remember reading that there are no elf/dwarf hybrids, that elves adapt their genetics to the partner's race, which means an elf/dwarf child would be just a dwarf. But a male half-human, half-dwarf love interest (those have been confirmed as rare, but existing) would be awesome. There wouldn't be so drastic a height difference between him and Hawke. That might be cute, and then they could safely give him moderately human features without worrying about him not looking enough like a dwarf.

[JediHealerCosmin]

th8827 wrote...

What about a half Elf, half Dward love interest? That would be interesting.

Also, I support the evil Love Interest, too.

I could see the 'evil' thing happening. Only I think that you would be able to convert her into good or something like that. That's kind of what I'm hoping in TOR, but that's another story.

I just hope we don't get some weird twist like Flemeth becoming romance-able. I couldn't take it

[Games4ever]

Forget the romances and just add some sex

[CalJones]

Heh heh Wynne, I had a good chuckle at your Old Owl Well comment - I didn't get around playing NWN2 until December last year (it wouldn't run on my previous PC and once I got the new one, I was busy with Oblivion, ME and FO3 for some months...) so NWN2 is fresh in my memory.

Actually I didn't mind Casavir but as with KotOR II, Obsidian did a very half-arsed job with the romances in general. Elanee was no better, in that regard - and of course Neeshka and Bishop's romances didn't make the final build so there are hints, but no real romance. (At least Gann and Safiya fare a bit better in MotB).



But yes, I'd vote for a more badass romance interest. Not necessarily an evil character, as such, but women love a bad boy and Bioware haven't been very good at giving us that. Up until ME2 they've all been rather sensitive nice guys (even Alistair falls into that category, though he's more complex), which is OK, but I'd rather bang a Canderous than a Carth.



Zevran was a step in the right direction, but he was too pretty and blond to stir my loins. I preferred him as a gay romance for my male characters. It wasn't until Garrus in ME2 that I was finally happy - here's a guy who is basically decent but is also a bit renegade and very, very badass. Much, much better, Bioware.



Also, whilst I'm not going to advocate incest a la Dante, I do vote for more same sex options.

[mordy_was_here]

CalJones wrote...

But yes, I'd vote for a more badass romance interest. Not necessarily an evil character, as such, but women love a bad boy and Bioware haven't been very good at giving us that. Up until ME2 they've all been rather sensitive nice guys (even Alistair falls into that category, though he's more complex), which is OK, but I'd rather bang a Canderous than a Carth.

This. Definitely this.

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

i think there should only be "group" romance options.



one chick is not enough for male/femal hawke!

[Annie_Dear]

I want to romance someone like this guy:



Please Bioware? Pretty please?

[Games4ever]

Annie_Dear wrote...

I want to romance someone like this guy:



Please Bioware? Pretty please?

I hope you are an Girl with that statement? 

[Annie_Dear]

Games4ever wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

I want to romance someone like this guy:



Please Bioware? Pretty please?

I hope you are an Girl with that statement? 

I am a girl, yes. I just have a thing for guys with an accent like Zaeed

[Games4ever]

Beautiful





Girls that play video games are cool

[DanteCousland]

Even though Ill be roleplaying a different character I still find it hard to see how they can top Morrigan. She was the only one I romanced and I really felt for her, moreso than I ever have for a video game character before. The characters really came alive. I find it hard to see how they can top Dantes dark haired minx!.

[Annie_Dear]

Games4ever wrote...

Beautiful


Girls that play video games are cool

Thanks, I guess?

[Games4ever]

Annie_Dear wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

Beautiful


Girls that play video games are cool

Thanks, I guess?

I mean it silly... cool as ice

[Doctoglethorpe]

hopefully this time the romance scenes wont be all awkward like two barbie dolls being banged together for half a minute.  just sayin... mass effect does em right, why cant dragon age? 

wouldnt mind there being some classy nudity either  but i wont rage like a pre-pubescent fanboy if its not there. 

[Annie_Dear]

Games4ever wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

Beautiful


Girls that play video games are cool

Thanks, I guess?

I mean it silly... cool as ice

...oh

*is slow. REALLY slow*

[Games4ever]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

hopefully this time the romance scenes wont be all awkward like two barbie dolls being banged together for half a minute.  just sayin... mass effect does em right, why cant dragon age? 

wouldnt mind there being some classy nudity either  but i wont rage like a pre-pubescent fanboy if its not there. 

Nudity/sex It's the most natural aspect of any living thing on the planet, so it should be there

[Games4ever]

Annie_Dear wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

Beautiful


Girls that play video games are cool

Thanks, I guess?

I mean it silly... cool as ice

...oh

*is slow. REALLY slow*

You tell me