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[ReallyRue]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I'm not really saying that Varric is down for the count, but Anders being a human and a returning character give him really good odds, as well, despite the changes to character and different writer. He's not down for the count either in that logic. And having two angsty love interests? Isabela and Merrill look to have their baggage as well, it's all how they carry it, is all.

LOL in the end someone's gonna feel angry and sad, no matter who they support...

I agree. All Bioware characters seem to have their own angsting to do, so I doubt that'd write anybody off. Besides, Fenris might not even be all that angsty. He might end up being like Sten or something, where he isn't all sunshine and kittens, but he doesn't want to go into a great monologue about his feelings either. And Anders is apparently still snarky, so the mage issue might be his only real angst point.
You could say all the teammates so far have an angst point on something - Isabella (her dead crew, which she mentioned in the live vid), Merrill (being a pariah), Fenris (his slavery/magic), Aveline (her husband), Anders (mages/Vengeance), Bethany/Carver (being a mage/having a mage sibling), Sebastian (family/vengeance). The only one who doesn't seem to have any angsting to do so far is Varric.

[Calla S]

I didn't say Isabela or Merrill wouldn't have angst. I know very well that DAverse LIs will have baggage no matter what. You're right. It's how they carry it. Considering Anders is possessed by a demon and Fenris was a tortured slave of a magister, I'd say they both have far, far too much potential angst to be the only straight choices for Lady Hawke. It's all an assumption, true, but I believe the chips are stacked in Varric's favor as opposed to not. There's a very good chance that he'll be Fenris' foil, imo.

[Rinji the Bearded]

ReallyRue wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

I'm not really saying that Varric is down for the count, but Anders being a human and a returning character give him really good odds, as well, despite the changes to character and different writer. He's not down for the count either in that logic. And having two angsty love interests? Isabela and Merrill look to have their baggage as well, it's all how they carry it, is all.

LOL in the end someone's gonna feel angry and sad, no matter who they support...

I agree. All Bioware characters seem to have their own angsting to do, so I doubt that'd write anybody off. Besides, Fenris might not even be all that angsty. He might end up being like Sten or something, where he isn't all sunshine and kittens, but he doesn't want to go into a great monologue about his feelings either. And Anders is apparently still snarky, so the mage issue might be his only real angst point.
You could say all the teammates so far have an angst point on something - Isabella (her dead crew, which she mentioned in the live vid), Merrill (being a pariah), Fenris (his slavery/magic), Aveline (her husband), Anders (mages/Vengeance), Bethany/Carver (being a mage/having a mage sibling), Sebastian (family/vengeance). The only one who doesn't seem to have any angsting to do so far is Varric.

Exactly.  And the female LIs I think will be a process to romance... Yes, you can get in Isabela's pants very quickly, but actually woo her?  That'd take forever.  Merrill will no doubt have her reservations since she's a Dalish pariah (the Dalish seem to be pretty dang proud about their heritage) and will probably be that "virginal girl-next-door" who takes some time to actually warm up.  If it were my guess, it would take ages to get Fenris to even LIKE you and even entertain the idea that you can touch him, and Anders would be the type to like something casual, but then his guilt about his condition pushes him away and you'd have to fight for it.

BUT, you know what they say.  To assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me."

[Shiro_the_Gambler]

I have a few theories on this.



1- Having one romance being tied to both Rivalry/Friendship path. One other companion getting a Friendship romance and the other getting a Rivalry romance. This would have been my ideal situation but this has already been confirmed to not be the case.



2- Only two companions are available as a romance period. One male and one female, each having both a Friendship/Rivalry romance path. That way you can have four romance options (the same as Origins) but with using two characters only. I find this one to be unlikely, but still possible.



3- Four characters each with a romance for either side of the coin. Two bisexual characters and one for each straight romance. This gives a total of eight paths for the romantically inclined. This on is more likely, but still up in the air.



4- Four characters, as before, but this time only two characters get both romance paths, the other two only get a romance from the Friendship or Rivalry path. This is probably the most likely.

[Count Viceroy]

RinjiRenee wrote...


BUT, you know what they say.  To assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me."

That's pretty nifty.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Count Viceroy wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...


BUT, you know what they say.  To assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me."

That's pretty nifty.

I don't take credit for that saying. 

[DragonRacer13]

sakuragrrl wrote...

I really don't think Anders is going to be the bi male romance considering his character in DA:A. All he could talk about were women and all he did was flirt with the females. Plus one of his lines to the warden says all he wants is a pretty girl, a decent meal and to shoot lightning at fools. You can hope he's changed his sexuality but I don't think it works like that. However, someone brought up in another post how bioware makes all their rogues bi so you never know maybe varric will be the bi male love interest.

I can't speak for Anders as I never played Awakening, so he'll be like a brand new character to me.

That caveat said, your description of him sounds almost identical to one of my first and best guy friends in college. I had a crush on him at first, but it became rather awkward whenever I started trying to ask him out or reveal my feelings for him ... and then he got up the courage to 'come out of the closet' his sophomore year. All the flirting and over-the-top stuff was, apparently, him trying to hide his true sexual nature for fear of the stigma still attached to being homosexual.

Not saying that is the case with Anders since, like I said, I don't know the character at all except in passing. But let's just say overly-flirty guys kind of make me suspicious these days...

Meanwhile, I still cling to hope that we get some Varric-mance.

Modifié par DragonRacer13, 12 février 2011 - 06:33 .

[Eternally Faithful]

RinjiRenee wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

I'm not really saying that Varric is down for the count, but Anders being a human and a returning character give him really good odds, as well, despite the changes to character and different writer. He's not down for the count either in that logic. And having two angsty love interests? Isabela and Merrill look to have their baggage as well, it's all how they carry it, is all.

LOL in the end someone's gonna feel angry and sad, no matter who they support...

I agree. All Bioware characters seem to have their own angsting to do, so I doubt that'd write anybody off. Besides, Fenris might not even be all that angsty. He might end up being like Sten or something, where he isn't all sunshine and kittens, but he doesn't want to go into a great monologue about his feelings either. And Anders is apparently still snarky, so the mage issue might be his only real angst point.
You could say all the teammates so far have an angst point on something - Isabella (her dead crew, which she mentioned in the live vid), Merrill (being a pariah), Fenris (his slavery/magic), Aveline (her husband), Anders (mages/Vengeance), Bethany/Carver (being a mage/having a mage sibling), Sebastian (family/vengeance). The only one who doesn't seem to have any angsting to do so far is Varric.

Exactly.  And the female LIs I think will be a process to romance... Yes, you can get in Isabela's pants very quickly, but actually woo her?  That'd take forever.  Merrill will no doubt have her reservations since she's a Dalish pariah (the Dalish seem to be pretty dang proud about their heritage) and will probably be that "virginal girl-next-door" who takes some time to actually warm up.  If it were my guess, it would take ages to get Fenris to even LIKE you and even entertain the idea that you can touch him, and Anders would be the type to like something casual, but then his guilt about his condition pushes him away and you'd have to fight for it.

BUT, you know what they say.  To assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me."

THIS. I never liked how you could get Morrigan to sleep with you almost immediatly after Lothering. I'd like the relationships to take more time to develop and not be like 'oh, we slept together. I have nothing to say to you anymore'

Plus, I'd love to see Fen being all awkward around a Mage Hawkette once he realizes he has feelings for her.

[catabuca]

I just posted this in the Fenris thread, thought it was worthwhile x-posting here too:



Another thing I hope for ... and this is for all romances: that they continue to be relevant and have content even after you've consummated the relationship. In DAO you could still talk to your LI, but it was like the relationship itself was stagnant. You could ask them back to your tent again, but really what was the point? You got to see the same kissing animation, which was sweet of course, but not much else.

I'm not suggesting they create multiple sex scenes (although I wouldn't complain if they did ), or even that you can replay the sex scene in place of a fade to black 'join me in my tent' moment (although, again, I'd love it if you could ), but that the relationship continues to grow, to develop and mature (possibly getting better, maybe even deteriorating depending on your choices and actions). I mean, seriously, how utterly awesome would that be? With the game taking place over the course of 10 years there's certainly scope for that to happen.

[sakuragrrl]

ReallyRue wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

I'm not really saying that Varric is down for the count, but Anders being a human and a returning character give him really good odds, as well, despite the changes to character and different writer. He's not down for the count either in that logic. And having two angsty love interests? Isabela and Merrill look to have their baggage as well, it's all how they carry it, is all.

LOL in the end someone's gonna feel angry and sad, no matter who they support...

I agree. All Bioware characters seem to have their own angsting to do, so I doubt that'd write anybody off. Besides, Fenris might not even be all that angsty. He might end up being like Sten or something, where he isn't all sunshine and kittens, but he doesn't want to go into a great monologue about his feelings either. And Anders is apparently still snarky, so the mage issue might be his only real angst point.
You could say all the teammates so far have an angst point on something - Isabella (her dead crew, which she mentioned in the live vid), Merrill (being a pariah), Fenris (his slavery/magic), Aveline (her husband), Anders (mages/Vengeance), Bethany/Carver (being a mage/having a mage sibling), Sebastian (family/vengeance). The only one who doesn't seem to have any angsting to do so far is Varric.

I don't know about Varric not having any angst. I mean from some of the stuff we know so far his brother sounds like an a**. So I'm thinking there is sibling/family angst or issues. I think he just covers it really well. On another note I  think it would be cool if Varric was an LI but at the same time I'm thinking he is the narrator so could he really be? And if he was an LI do you really think it would be that easy for Cassandra to catch him and take him from Hawke? 

[sakuragrrl]

DragonRacer13 wrote...

sakuragrrl wrote...

I really don't think Anders is going to be the bi male romance considering his character in DA:A. All he could talk about were women and all he did was flirt with the females. Plus one of his lines to the warden says all he wants is a pretty girl, a decent meal and to shoot lightning at fools. You can hope he's changed his sexuality but I don't think it works like that. However, someone brought up in another post how bioware makes all their rogues bi so you never know maybe varric will be the bi male love interest.

I can't speak for Anders as I never played Awakening, so he'll be like a brand new character to me.

That caveat said, your description of him sounds almost identical to one of my first and best guy friends in college. I had a crush on him at first, but it became rather awkward whenever I started trying to ask him out or reveal my feelings for him ... and then he got up the courage to 'come out of the closet' his sophomore year. All the flirting and over-the-top stuff was, apparently, him trying to hide his true sexual nature for fear of the stigma still attached to being homosexual.

Not saying that is the case with Anders since, like I said, I don't know the character at all except in passing. But let's just say overly-flirty guys kind of make me suspicious these days...

Meanwhile, I still cling to hope that we get some Varric-mance.

As you said you didn't play Awakenings. He wasn't flirty all the time just some of the time. It wasn't over the top flirting. Plus he's a mage and if you played DA:O or DA:A you would know that mages are pretty much prisoners in their own home with nothing to do but study and take secret trists. It's not like Anders bragged about his conquests it was just very obvious he likes girls and not boys. Even Wynne mentioned her encounters somewhat. You should play the game and see for yourself. It's narrow minded to make a decision about  a person or a character from one incident in college. You can't judge everyone else because of one guy. 

[Minxie]

sakuragrrl wrote...
And if he was an LI do you really think it would be that easy for Cassandra to catch him and take him from Hawke? 

What if he betrays Hawke? Why is he telling Cassandra all these details anyway? Why isn't he declaring "Torture me all you like - I'll die before I tell you anything about my dear, good friend/lover Hawke!"

I kid, of course. I doubt he's a traitor cuz that would just be... no, no, too painful. Traitor!Varric = Yoshimo and Bishop x 100 = me heartbroken.

I only can't help but wonder if there has to be more to the whole 'Cassandra interrogates Varric and he tells her everything' thing - I still think it's going to turn out to be all part of Varric and Hawke's master plan or something.

[DragonRacer13]

sakuragrrl wrote...

DragonRacer13 wrote...

sakuragrrl wrote...

I really don't think Anders is going to be the bi male romance considering his character in DA:A. All he could talk about were women and all he did was flirt with the females. Plus one of his lines to the warden says all he wants is a pretty girl, a decent meal and to shoot lightning at fools. You can hope he's changed his sexuality but I don't think it works like that. However, someone brought up in another post how bioware makes all their rogues bi so you never know maybe varric will be the bi male love interest.

I can't speak for Anders as I never played Awakening, so he'll be like a brand new character to me.

That caveat said, your description of him sounds almost identical to one of my first and best guy friends in college. I had a crush on him at first, but it became rather awkward whenever I started trying to ask him out or reveal my feelings for him ... and then he got up the courage to 'come out of the closet' his sophomore year. All the flirting and over-the-top stuff was, apparently, him trying to hide his true sexual nature for fear of the stigma still attached to being homosexual.

Not saying that is the case with Anders since, like I said, I don't know the character at all except in passing. But let's just say overly-flirty guys kind of make me suspicious these days...

Meanwhile, I still cling to hope that we get some Varric-mance.

As you said you didn't play Awakenings. He wasn't flirty all the time just some of the time. It wasn't over the top flirting. Plus he's a mage and if you played DA:O or DA:A you would know that mages are pretty much prisoners in their own home with nothing to do but study and take secret trists. It's not like Anders bragged about his conquests it was just very obvious he likes girls and not boys. Even Wynne mentioned her encounters somewhat. You should play the game and see for yourself. It's narrow minded to make a decision about  a person or a character from one incident in college. You can't judge everyone else because of one guy. 

Woah, woah, woah... I have apparently struck a nerve and that was not my intention. At all.

I've made no decisions in regards to Anders. I do not judge everyone based on one person I knew. I did not mean to give the impression that I do such a thing (though looking back at the wording of my last line, I can see where it may be taken as such). I was just bringing something to the table as part of conversation/discussion.

Obviously, that was a terrible idea on my part. I apologize, redact what I said, and will leave with my tail between my legs.

Modifié par DragonRacer13, 12 février 2011 - 08:21 .

[Eclipse_9990]

I always thought I was going to romance Merrill. But after seeing Isabella in that live video... I'm just not sure anymore.

[catabuca]

It might be prudent at this point to remind people that we have been told characters we've seen previously may not be treated as sacrosanct as we might wish if they return, and if the story requires it aspects of their lives may be shaped to fit the current story. So assuming anything about Anders (or anyone else) at this stage is a dangerous game.

[sakuragrrl]

Yes characters may not be the same I just don't think they would change certain characters so drastically simply because that was the character we came to like. Yes personalities will be changed due to unknown circumstances, but I don't think sexualities do. At least in real life it doesn't work that way.

Modifié par sakuragrrl, 12 février 2011 - 09:11 .

[sakuragrrl]

[quote]DragonRacer13 wrote...

[quote]sakuragrrl wrote...

[quote]DragonRacer13 wrote...

[quote]sakuragrrl wrote...


Woah, woah, woah... I have apparently struck a nerve and that was not my intention. At all.

I've made no decisions in regards to Anders. I do not judge everyone based on one person I knew. I did not mean to give the impression that I do such a thing (though looking back at the wording of my last line, I can see where it may be taken as such). I was just bringing something to the table as part of conversation/discussion.

Obviously, that was a terrible idea on my part. I apologize, redact what I said, and will leave with my tail between my legs.
[/quote]


I am sorry if it came off as vicious not my intention at all. Again I made my opinion based on wordage, seems as if you did the same with my post. Let's just leave it as all characters are speculation we don't know (except for isabella) who is an LI. As I stated in another post there are supposedly even NPC's you can romance so it might not even be any of the other party members are romanceable We just have to wait and see. 

Modifié par sakuragrrl, 12 février 2011 - 08:40 .

[Fangirl17]

Its nice to see my thread alive and well again :3

[SgtElias]

Hmm, how do you choose between them? I genuinely like everyone (from what I know!) enough to romance them.



Of course, I'm holding out hope for Anders, but you never know.

[catabuca]

sakuragrrl wrote...

Yes characters may not be the same I just don't think they would change certain characters so drastically simply because that was the character we came to like. Yes personalities will be changed due to unknown circumstances, but I don't think sexualities do. At least in real life it doesn't work that way.

If a writer wants to write it that way (that Anders likes men and women when previously the only mention he made was fancying women -- even though he was unromanceable by either men or women) then the writer will find a way. Not saying it's going to happen, not saying that at all. Just saying that perhaps it's a little short-sighted to suggest anything is necessarily set in stone at this point, unless we have had specific confirmation.

(And irl, personalities don't change due to 'unknown circumstances' either. Whether it be a character's personality or their sexuality, if a writer has decided to 'change' it in any way for this game you can be sure they will have found a darned good and convincing way to do it.)

[sakuragrrl]

catabuca wrote...
If a writer wants to write it that way (that Anders likes men and women when previously the only mention he made was fancying women -- even though he was unromanceable by either men or women) then the writer will find a way. Not saying it's going to happen, not saying that at all. Just saying that perhaps it's a little short-sighted to suggest anything is necessarily set in stone at this point, unless we have had specific confirmation.

(And irl, personalities don't change due to 'unknown circumstances' either. Whether it be a character's personality or their sexuality, if a writer has decided to 'change' it in any way for this game you can be sure they will have found a darned good and convincing way to do it.)

I see your point, yes writers can do what ever they want. But I have to disagree with you on the irl personalities don't change to unknown circumstances thing. What I meant by unknown is that we don't know what it is that makes Anders change. That is what I meant by unknown. We have no clue why he becomes so dark when before he was a happy and very funny character. And yes IRL, people do change from unknown circumstances until they tell you what made them change their point of view. Every situation a person is thrust into has some effect on their personality either for the good or not. 

[foxtrotcharlie]

SgtElias wrote...
Of course, I'm holding out hope for Anders, but you never know.

Lol, I know how you feel.  I'm torn.  Primarily, I want Varric as an LI, but I also like Anders, mostly because he's handsome and has a good personality.... but....with this new development in the demon-buisness, I can't help but feel very weary about having him around.  I was talking about this before in another topic, but I can't shake the feeling that this demon (not a friendly 'let me help you out with that' spirit,---it's a 'im going to engulf your soul' demon ) will really affect poor Anders, and I suspect that getting rid of the demon, if that is even possible, will be even more harrowing, perhaps even deadly.  

But will this affect his status as a possible LI? I don't know.
Maybe the healing power of love will make him all better <3

Modifié par foxtrotcharlie, 13 février 2011 - 02:38 .

[Karimloo]

I spent the entire game trying to romance Aveline. I can't believe she's not available, but taken by a guard. what the hell is up with Bioware?

[SirGladiator]

That was certainly one of the most bizarre 'romances' ever, you romance somebody and they end up with somebody else? I think the person who came up with that idea missed the point of the romances altogether .

Some of the other romances were much better, what Ive seen of them so far anyway. Isabella and Merrill are both so awesome, their romances are just great. And the best part? When you play their romances, they actually end up with Hawke, not random people from around Kirkwall . I actually thought I'd like Merrill better than Isabella, but I liked Isabella more than I thought I would. I can't choose between them, they're both just so awesome to have on the team, and their romances are fantastic. Two thumbs up for both of them!

[Blackfangs]

* sigh Im Sick of these, LOL,