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[mopotter]

SirOccam wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

Dick Delaware wrote...

virumor wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

That would be cute for a party member to fall in love with another party member ^^ And you could talk about it to the party member. Like tease him/her about it or play match maker and push for them to get together.

A necessary feature of any dark fantasy trying to take itself seriously.

Totally. When I'm immersed in a gritty, grimdark world where peasants desperately scrounge together scraps of garbage to keep their ribs from meeting their spine and corruption and injustice run rampant, I immediately think to myself "wouldn't alice and bill look cute together?! let's set them up!"

:l Yeah,I saw that coming. Whatever guys, its just an idea.

Don't listen to them; it's a good idea. As much as people like to say it is, DA is not "dark fantasy." Does it have a few darker elements? Sure. But it's chock full of comic relief. Like, filled to the brim.

And it doesn't have to be cutesy "omg they would make such a cute couple!!!111" stuff. It could be a source of some pretty heavy conflict as well. Love triangles, for example, are perfect drama fodder. There's a reason they've been at the center of innumerable works of literature for hundreds of years.

And anyway, there's plenty of "cutesy" stuff in DAO already. Schmooples, anyone?

I enjoyed getting Oghren back in touch with his old girlfriend.  I would not mind having a couple of the NPC's have romances of their own.  

[RogueWriter3201]

Given how many Pages the Tread as Reached I know it's quite likely the following as been mentioned before; however, there are Two New factors I'd really Love to see come into play, though one, I know, is seen as Cliche by some, especially Gaider himself.

1) Romances that Take longer to culminate. Though DA:O and ME2 came close in establishing the Friendship before Romance Angle, I just don't think they've gotten the Formulae just right. I never really got the sense that the relationship between the PC and whomever He/She chose to Romance developed from something simple into something Complex and Life Changing. Yes, Romancing Leliana you could Lift some of her Fears and either Stregnthen her Faith or Make her more Hard around the Edges, but that more like it had to do with the confrontation with Marjolaine than you relationship.

It's the same with Alistair. You could keep his Faith in People and Family Strong, or Turn him into, basically, Anora. However, like with Leli, it felt more like it had to do with his Side Quest than with the relationship a Female PC has with him. I would just really like a sense of the Relationship changing both the PC as well as the Companion, not just some Side Quest. (Retrospect) That...might not make alot of sense, I may not have detailed that viewpoint very well, but it's my Hope the Gist of it is understood.

2) He's the "Cliched" one. I'd Really Love to see Multi-Racial Companion relationships for "Both" Sexes. Males who did the Cousland Origin got the Iona fling, but that was just Sex and nothing more. Unless you're same sex Oriented both Romance Choices for Males were Human Women. Maybe I've Played D&D for too long, or Played Baldur's Gate one to many times (I love you Aerie) but, it really would have complemented the Fantasy Feel to have a Romance with an Elven Female Companion or even a Dwarven Female Companion.

I mean, we got Sigrun in Awakenings, but she was too busy trying to stop Oghren from Humping her Leg all the time, and Valenna was equal parts "I hate Humans, Argh!" and "Wow, Nathaniel's kinda Cute," Sadly, Gaider has mentioned on more than one occasion that he sees the classic Fantasy "Elven" Romances between a Male Protaganist and Elven Character as "Boring", among other descriptive terms. Given that he's kind of in the Lead on an incredible Writing Team I'm not sure if I'll ever get this one. Still, it's something that would make me do a Silly Chair Dance in excitement, to say the least.

[Jimmy Fury]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Having more than 1 or 2 can limit things.

Wouldn't having only 1 or 2 options limit things more for your character though?
Detailed characters are great and all but what if you really just don't like the character's personality?

I mean... What if your only romance option was Jacob.

Not to mention that 1 option is a terrible idea unless its customizable (which apparently nobody wants as I learned when I made the mistake of bringing it up) because then you get the oh-so-awesome choice of StraightGuyHawke or LesbianHawke.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 11 juillet 2010 - 08:46 .

[mopotter]

Rogue Unit wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lady_Scarlett wrote...
(I'd rather give the occasional hug and / or kiss and I might hype if the character is well-written, but I DO have boundaries and know they're not real and don't go crazy like everyone else

My friend has fallen in love with Alistair.

She has a picture of him in her bedroom.

I have pictures of Alistair, Carth and Kaidan on our computer screensaver.  My husband wants to change it but I keep putting it back on and he gave up.:happy:

I'm scared.

Husband isn't.  He's the equal of them and knows it.  But he does like to tease me and I still have the 1st rose he gave me.  But you can be if you want.  I think I like the idea of being scary.  

[TSamee]

I see where the OP is coming from. BioWare's romances do add depth to the game (or at least replayability- gotta catch 'em all, ****es!), but they cost valuable dev time. However, characters like Morrigan are far too interesting to drop at the moment, so I can't afford to take a "kill it with FIRE!" stance towards BW's romances. I think that ones which affect the way you see the main story (e.g: Morrigan) and leave you speculating because of the way you've seen that person (I posted some really obscure threads many moons ago about Morrigan and the implications her child could have on the story) are definitely worth keeping. They change your perspective on the rest of the game and add depth to the experience.



Anything which really affect you emotionally, I'm happy to keep. Evoking a strong emotional response from the player is what videogame storytelling is about, after all. However, romances shouldn't serve as something for a clutch of perverts to masturbate over. There's nothing wrong with becoming emotionally attached to a character. But there's a line; Bioware shouldn't be making content specifically for those who cross it. The only example I can cite here is Miranda in ME2. I know I'm heading into personal territory here, but, while I don't have a problem with her as a character, the premise for the romance was prettymuch "You did exactly what I said, I'll warm up to you, wanna get dirty in the engine room?". They spent the whole conversation for her loyalty quest zooming in on DAT ASS, for god's sake.



What I'm trying to say here is that, while I find nothing wrong with romances, I think that there needs to be a clear purpose behind each one, a specific way in which it enhances the experience for the player. Once that's gone it becomes meaningless, as (in my opinion) in Miranda's case.

[GodWood]

glenboy24 wrote...

Given how many Pages the Tread as Reached I know it's quite likely the following as been mentioned before; however, there are Two New factors I'd really Love to see come into play, though one, I know, is seen as Cliche by some, especially Gaider himself.

1) Romances that Take longer to culminate. Though DA:O and ME2 came close in establishing the Friendship before Romance Angle, I just don't think they've gotten the Formulae just right. I never really got the sense that the relationship between the PC and whomever He/She chose to Romance developed from something simple into something Complex and Life Changing. Yes, Romancing Leliana you could Lift some of her Fears and either Stregnthen her Faith or Make her more Hard around the Edges, but that more like it had to do with the confrontation with Marjolaine than you relationship.

It's the same with Alistair. You could keep his Faith in People and Family Strong, or Turn him into, basically, Anora. However, like with Leli, it felt more like it had to do with his Side Quest than with the relationship a Female PC has with him. I would just really like a sense of the Relationship changing both the PC as well as the Companion, not just some Side Quest. (Retrospect) That...might not make alot of sense, I may not have detailed that viewpoint very well, but it's my Hope the Gist of it is understood.

2) He's the "Cliched" one. I'd Really Love to see Multi-Racial Companion relationships for "Both" Sexes. Males who did the Cousland Origin got the Iona fling, but that was just Sex and nothing more. Unless you're same sex Oriented both Romance Choices for Males were Human Women. Maybe I've Played D&D for too long, or Played Baldur's Gate one to many times (I love you Aerie) but, it really would have complemented the Fantasy Feel to have a Romance with an Elven Female Companion or even a Dwarven Female Companion.

I mean, we got Sigrun in Awakenings, but she was too busy trying to stop Oghren from Humping her Leg all the time, and Valenna was equal parts "I hate Humans, Argh!" and "Wow, Nathaniel's kinda Cute," Sadly, Gaider has mentioned on more than one occasion that he sees the classic Fantasy "Elven" Romances between a Male Protaganist and Elven Character as "Boring", among other descriptive terms. Given that he's kind of in the Lead on an incredible Writing Team I'm not sure if I'll ever get this one. Still, it's something that would make me do a Silly Chair Dance in excitement, to say the least.

Answer to your problem: play a non-human.

Modifié par GodWood, 11 juillet 2010 - 08:49 .

[Fangirl17]

I hope the devs read this thread :3

[RogueWriter3201]

GodWood wrote...

*snip*

Answer to your problem: play a non-human.

No, not an Answer really. For the same reason I don't have a problem with DA2's
PC being Human Only, being ******-Sapien I relate more to a PC that's "Also"
Human. 'Ol Fashioned, I know, but that just how, as they say, "I Roll,"

[RogueWriter3201]

Fangirl17 wrote...

I hope the devs read this thread :3

I do as well. Great, Great Thread. As long as people keep it Civil.

[TSamee]

yeah... let's see, it seems that threads asking the dev team questions are answered; others tend not to be. Only one in which I've seen BioWare respond outside of questions was a thread for DA (trolling on how the game was sexist, I believe), which was an utter ****storm. We were chatting about pig orgasms by the end of it... 70+ pages in under 8 hours.

[Fangirl17]

glenboy24 wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

I hope the devs read this thread :3

I do as well. Great, Great Thread. As long as people keep it Civil.

Thanks for the compliment on the thread  I hope you guys keep it going.

[iTomes]

glenboy24 wrote...

Given how many Pages the Tread as Reached I know it's quite likely the following as been mentioned before; however, there are Two New factors I'd really Love to see come into play, though one, I know, is seen as Cliche by some, especially Gaider himself.

1) Romances that Take longer to culminate. Though DA:O and ME2 came close in establishing the Friendship before Romance Angle, I just don't think they've gotten the Formulae just right. I never really got the sense that the relationship between the PC and whomever He/She chose to Romance developed from something simple into something Complex and Life Changing. Yes, Romancing Leliana you could Lift some of her Fears and either Stregnthen her Faith or Make her more Hard around the Edges, but that more like it had to do with the confrontation with Marjolaine than you relationship.

It's the same with Alistair. You could keep his Faith in People and Family Strong, or Turn him into, basically, Anora. However, like with Leli, it felt more like it had to do with his Side Quest than with the relationship a Female PC has with him. I would just really like a sense of the Relationship changing both the PC as well as the Companion, not just some Side Quest. (Retrospect) That...might not make alot of sense, I may not have detailed that viewpoint very well, but it's my Hope the Gist of it is understood.

2) He's the "Cliched" one. I'd Really Love to see Multi-Racial Companion relationships for "Both" Sexes. Males who did the Cousland Origin got the Iona fling, but that was just Sex and nothing more. Unless you're same sex Oriented both Romance Choices for Males were Human Women. Maybe I've Played D&D for too long, or Played Baldur's Gate one to many times (I love you Aerie) but, it really would have complemented the Fantasy Feel to have a Romance with an Elven Female Companion or even a Dwarven Female Companion.

I mean, we got Sigrun in Awakenings, but she was too busy trying to stop Oghren from Humping her Leg all the time, and Valenna was equal parts "I hate Humans, Argh!" and "Wow, Nathaniel's kinda Cute," Sadly, Gaider has mentioned on more than one occasion that he sees the classic Fantasy "Elven" Romances between a Male Protaganist and Elven Character as "Boring", among other descriptive terms. Given that he's kind of in the Lead on an incredible Writing Team I'm not sure if I'll ever get this one. Still, it's something that would make me do a Silly Chair Dance in excitement, to say the least.

didn't gaider also write the first book (the stolen throne or whatever its name is in english). i mean..... that was pretty much about human male/elven female (maric and that female bard forgott the name xxD)

[Fangirl17]

JoePinasi1989 wrote...

I'ma gonna copy a post I made on a different thread. It would practically be the same comment so... two birds with one stone...

To be honest I want to see love scenes that fit the characters. I'll use DA1 companions as examples.

Morrigan: she was direct, practical and treated sex with indifference (heh, sort of like Jack in ME2). Her love scene should have been more aggressive, rough. It should have felt like she wanted it badly, like she could just take it if she wanted to (I'm being serious, I'm an adult and the game WAS rated M after all...).

Leliana: I think this was supposed to be the "neutral" one, but still something that showed love, not "just another lay". I don't remember if the girl-on-girl was any different than the girl-on-guy.

Alistair: well... what the hell can I say. This man was foremost a virgin (duh, reason enough to make a different scene). He was the kind of guy that didn't treat sex with indifference (as opposed to Morrigan), he wanted to wait until the perfect moment, and HE RESPECTED WOMEN! Well, I'm happy to say that this WAS rectified in a mod by the very talented DahliaLynn. However the others were not.

Zevran: this was the only good one. Zevran's sex scenes were truly SEX scenes. He was the one who mastered pleasuring others in bed, and his sex scenes actually reflected that. He was the one who took the lead, because he KNEW he had more experience, and that was simply great.


In the end what I want most of all is to see the love. If two people are in love, then that love should also be there when they're MAKING LOVE, be they heterosexuals, homosexuals or lesbian. I wanna feel like it meant something. I really care about my companions, after spending hours upon hours of talking with them, I get attached (come on, who doesn't AT LEAST like Alistair). That depends, of course, if the VO is done right - which it was, in DA1.

Now comes the problem: all that caring for companions just wasn't there in ME1 and 2. Why? I'm not sure. For me, it felt like there wasn't enough conversation, like romantic involvements felt rushed and awkward. I was really hoping for more conversation in ME2, especially between male friends. I always thought of Garrus as a friend, maybe even a good friend (or a best friend, really). I was expecting some "guy talk" in ME2. What did I get, 2 (TWO) CONVERSATIONS. That's all... W.T.F?! The second conversations was the only real "friend talk" you could have.

Now before you scream "OFF-TOPIC", the reason I said all that was because we're getting hints that Dragon Age is going Mass Effect style. Personally, I think they're gonna emulate Mass Effect in the Dragon Age universe, and to be honest - I can live with that; but - and yes, there is a butt - I'm concerned about what's gonna happen with the companion system from DA1. It was very flexible, you could start/end a relation at any time, if you wanted to be an a-hole, you could sleep with all possible romantic interests and so on. If they're gonna make DA2 like Mass Effect then you will no longer have the same control over relations.

Now comes the good part (and I must say this is the part that I find most interesting): if the game takes you through 10 years of Hawke's life, then that could mean a lot of GREAT possibilities for romantic involvements. Marriage, children, adultery - I dunno about you, but I'd really want to see such a combo in a game like Dragon Age. It would be a whole other level of role-playing, and not necessarily a bad one.

Great post,I agree and I share your conserns about DA2 going all ME on us,but I have faith that Bioware will not disappoint us 

[Fangirl17]

 Off topic but people need to stop making hate threads,its getting anoying<_<

[Fangirl17]

No!Dont die thread!

[TSamee]

Ahem. Quoth the raven, "Nevermore".

[Thibbledorf26]

Hawke will have to pay child-support over 10 years.

[Cribbian]

Thibbledorf26 wrote...

Hawke will have to pay child-support over 10 years.

So thats why he must rise to power. To afford child-support.

[wwwwowwww]

I'd like to see more short cut scenes here and there while at camp. Walks, sitting around the fire eating together, and things like that. Doesn't have to be every time you camp, but from time to time so as to add some sort of humanity to the relationship.



I'd like to see you emerge from the tent or whatever when the cut scenes of "going to bed" are over instead of just appearing in the middle of camp.



I would like to see some sort of reaction from the love interest should you fall in battle or start to take a bad beating.



Most of all I'd like to see a continuing dialog about events that have taken place post romance, rather than the same ones over and over and over

[SirOccam]

wwwwowwww wrote...

I'd like to see more short cut scenes here and there while at camp. Walks, sitting around the fire eating together, and things like that. Doesn't have to be every time you camp, but from time to time so as to add some sort of humanity to the relationship.

I'd like to see you emerge from the tent or whatever when the cut scenes of "going to bed" are over instead of just appearing in the middle of camp.

I would like to see some sort of reaction from the love interest should you fall in battle or start to take a bad beating.

Most of all I'd like to see a continuing dialog about events that have taken place post romance, rather than the same ones over and over and over

Wow (no pun intended), all great ideas.

[Arttis]

Wish they had more room to put all that stuff in...oh

[Ailith Tycane]

Something I REALLY would like to see...



I would love it if they had NEW dialogue options with your partner related to a particular romance you're in after you've already had sex.



It was nice in Dragon age that you could sleep with your lover of choice after the first time at camp, but I wanted something else to talk with them about in relation to the romance after we'd already slept together. Dunno if this makes sense...