28 réponses à ce sujet

[Lykaion]

Does Haste stack with Rapid Shot or Momentum?

The Missing Manual states "Momentum does stack with other speed increases, but only to a certain point." but what does that mean?  I have all 3 and going from nothing to just one is a huge change in speed but I see no speed bump when I add haste.

[lukersderp]

all you can add to those haste effects is swift salve

atleast that's from my experience

tho i dont know if momentum is the same as haste aura

[Wolff Laarcen]

momentum + haste is bugged atm and actually decreases melee attack speed.

[Dual Warhammers]

I think momentum + haste works sometimes and other times it doesn't.  On my first playthrough I used it on my dual wield warrior and it definitely worked.  The warrior attacked super fast when haste+momentum were applied.  On my second playthrough with a rogue though it seems that haste removes momentum.  I'm not sure what the deal is.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

momentum + haste is bugged atm and actually decreases melee attack speed.

This.

It IS, howevr, a bug acknowledged by bioware reps.

Expect it to be patched....eventually 

[Dual Warhammers]

I just loaded up a saved game from my first playthrough and tested this. I beat down a Hurlock General with haste+momentum. Then I tried again with momentum off and just haste. Then I tried it again with just momentum.  Finally I tried without either one. Haste+momentum definitely stack on the warrior. He attacked fastest that way for sure.

I admit it's a bug and that it doesn't work all the time, but it does work in some cases. Maybe the bug is class specific?

I also had Precise Striking on the warrior but I left it on during all tests.

Modifié par Dual Warhammers, 18 novembre 2009 - 12:04 .

[xIc3x]

Has anyone tested it out with rapid shot? I read somewhere else that attack speed for bows was capped at around 30%, and if you have a rapid aim bow you don't need more attack speed. I'm not very familiar with these forums though, hehe. I'll probably check later on, I'm just curious because I can't decide on the order to level my archer talents if I make a ranger.

[Faytte2]

I read that a rapid aim bow only reduces the initial delay on your first shot, not the follow up shots.



If rapid aim does however improve attack speed, wouldnt you want to use AIM instead with haste? That way your not exceeding the haste cap but gain the 'aim' modifiers?

[SeiZmiQ]

if you want very fast movement and attack , stack haste by itself. but not more than 2. You can forget momentum after doing so

[Darth_Shizz]

SeiZmiQ wrote...

if you want very fast movement and attack , stack haste by itself. but not more than 2. You can forget momentum after doing so

What, this works? tempting...

Question is (as I never bothered to use a haste setup with my dw warrior), what happens to the damage value in the character screen when you throw on momentum and haste? does it go up as it should? If that's the case, does the damage per hit show an increase, or is it just a display bug?? Or perhaps it stays the same/goes down. I'd be interested to know.

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 25 novembre 2009 - 01:57 .

[Sangaire]

Haste + Haste is ok for fast running, does decrease attack value twice, but does NOT increase attack speed twice...

[The Amorphist]

I don't think you are correct Sangair. I stumbled upon casting haste twice on accident, and my level 14 dual wielding rogue assassin/duelist turned into an absolute monster. He is still dealing 45 or so per backstab, which is identical to his damage with only one haste on, and his attack speed in increased DRAMATICALLY, like, it is quite obviously way faster attacks than with one haste.

Modifié par The Amorphist, 28 novembre 2009 - 12:21 .

[HighlandBerserkr]

All i know is Haste alone is AMAZING! i just got it a level or so ago and my level 17 Two Handed warrior is so much faster than he was its sick and i hit for well over 100 damage each swing, i LOVE haste!

[BBoYTuRBo]

Dual Warhammers wrote...

Haste+momentum definitely stack on the warrior. He attacked fastest that way for sure.

I also had Precise Striking on the warrior but I left it on during all tests.

That is the key. Precise Striking lowers attack speed, so then Haste + Momentum does not exceed the attack speed cap, it just reaches it, therefore it doesn't reset the attack speed to normal.

[FireSlifer]

Oh this is going to make me crazy

I'm surely they need to patch it!

[PhoenixBlacke]

On my warrior, I always have haste+momentum, seems fine. He's lvl 23 atm.

[FireSlifer]

Haste + momentum + precise striking = works

[RamsenC]

Sangaire wrote...

Haste + Haste is ok for fast running, does decrease attack value twice, but does NOT increase attack speed twice...

What makes you think that? I stacked haste with my 2h warrior party and there was a noticeable effect with two hastes over one. In fact when one of my mages died my attack speed was slower. The -10 attack is def worth the benefits.

Modifié par RamsenC, 22 décembre 2009 - 02:34 .

[limpan21]

yeah 2x haste work's just fine, please stop posting if your clueless, theres enough misinformation beeing posted as "certainties" ,we definetly dont need anymore

[searanox]

The Amorphist wrote...

I don't think you are correct Sangair. I stumbled upon casting haste twice on accident, and my level 14 dual wielding rogue assassin/duelist turned into an absolute monster. He is still dealing 45 or so per backstab, which is identical to his damage with only one haste on, and his attack speed in increased DRAMATICALLY, like, it is quite obviously way faster attacks than with one haste.

The Attack stat doesn't determine damage, it determines chance to hit.

[DragonShepard138]

Momentum + backstab = win

Modifié par DragonShepard138, 19 avril 2010 - 01:24 .

[Joy-Energiser]

On my Rogue Im pretty certain that haste+momentum is slower than just Haste or momentum by themselves....

[Xenth]

Joy-Energiser wrote...

On my Rogue Im pretty certain that haste+momentum is slower than just Haste or momentum by themselves....

There is a 50% hardcap on attack speed increases, if you go over this cap in any way you start back at 0%


Momentum = 30% attack speed increase
Haste = 25% attack speed increase
---------------------------------------------------------
Overal = 5% attack speed increase


Momentum = 30% attack speed increase
Swift Salve = 20% attack speed increase
---------------------------------------------------------
Overal = 50% attack speed increase

[Joy-Energiser]

So basically only a warrior with precise striking(slows your attack speed) can make use of momentum+ haste because that puts it below the 50% cap ?

Interesting....

[Joy-Energiser]

Yay! Double submit clicks = Doubles post 

Modifié par Joy-Energiser, 08 mai 2010 - 11:42 .