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[Riona45]

no1szhere wrote...

I just gotta ask, will there be romance characters? I don't know if this has been answered yet, but I will admit to being a shameless fangirl.

The devs have made it clear in a few other threads that they aren't ready to discuss romances yet.

[Tooneyman]

Heres my real question on the gender thing. Can my lady hawke get the chance to I don't know. maybe be called a shrew at times. Especially if she. I don't know cuts someone's head off in front of their friends. ';.,,,.;' >+D

[Addai]

Even though the OP had false information, I do feel like I'll be forced to play a male PC.  The reason being that in a more third-person, detached story, it seems more authentic to medieval theme to have a male hero.  In Origins it felt natural to play a female PC, probably because I could self-identify with my PCs.  That's one thing I loved about it.

Second reason is that I have a low tolerance for female VO's.  FemShepard drove me to distraction and the only female VO I could stand over long exposure in Origins was Morrigan's.  Leliana and Wynne, after my first pt or so, were like nails on a chalkboard.  I got the farthest in Mass Effect on a male Shepard, and haven't yet been able to bring myself to play Leliana's Song.  I've heard from other posters that I'm not the only woman who has trouble with female VOs in games.  I can only imagine that hearing a female VA deliver romance and tough-girl lines is going to make me cringe.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 juillet 2010 - 08:35 .

[okiness]

The only thing disappointing me is the lack of showing off a girl. If the trailer is a badass 3-d rendition it will be of guy-hawke..not girl-hawke...ever. If they did involve female hawke I'd be ok but is it so much to give props to your female fans in trailers?

[joriandrake]

Mary Kirby wrote...

kyles3 wrote...

but if you play as a female you can't have a sweet beard

...or can you?

How do you know that the beard is not a recruitable character?

*imagine darkspawn double-facepalm here*

[Gloatie]

Mary Kirby wrote...

kyles3 wrote...

but if you play as a female you can't have a sweet beard

...or can you?

How do you know that the beard is not a recruitable character?

Ms. Kirby, that is one of the funniest things I have ever read. Full Stop.

[uuuhcantthinkofaname]

I never like Alistair anyways, so I wont miss him.



If we get Alistair v.2 I'll be mad.

[KOKitten]

I'm female and have no problem playing male or female characters.

The majority of games I play feature male protagonists so I don't even give it a second thought. I can choose a female body in the GRAW's and in the Rainbow Six games but it's not like your character has any real dialogue outside of "move over there."

In RPG's I'll always do at least one playthrough for each gender to see any differences.

[syllogi]

okiness wrote...

The only thing disappointing me is the lack of showing off a girl. If the trailer is a badass 3-d rendition it will be of guy-hawke..not girl-hawke...ever. If they did involve female hawke I'd be ok but is it so much to give props to your female fans in trailers?

I wouldn't even care if the major trailers or box art didn't feature Fem Hawke, but would just want screenshots of her, and images of the female version included in any trailers regarding voice acting and character customization.  This wasn't a big fear or concern until Mass Effect 2, where apparently the marketing department decided that the consumers they were targetting were too dumb to understand that Commander Shepard is customizable, and/or would be horrified by the ability to play as a female character.

Judging by the responses I got when addressing this topic when DA2 was first announced, I don't have much faith in even the little I'd be happy with to happen.  Afterall, having a female character on the box of Jade Empire *ruined* that game's sales, heavens forbid they ever try anything like that again!!! 

[Saibh]

Spear-Thrower wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...
Afterall, having a female character on the box of Jade Empire *ruined* that game's sales, heavens forbid they ever try anything like that again!!! 

Did Bioware do a survey or something? I find it hard to believe that a woman on the box ruined sales in any way.

Why didn't you buy Jade Empire? "Oh, there was a sexy female on the cover and it hurt my manliness."

Seriously, a hot female character probably attracted more male gamers, not less.

Yeah, this is especially jarring since KOTOR, ME and ME2, and DAO have blantantly obvious women on the cover. In fact, when I picked up the game I wasn't even aware that was Wu, a playable character, but rather I thought she was a follower.

EDIT: Wait, wait, wait, is that supposed to be sarcasm? Even if it is, again, it's hard to identify that Wu is a playable protagonist and not a follower.

Modifié par Saibh, 16 juillet 2010 - 09:21 .

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

uuuhcantthinkofaname wrote...

I never like Alistair anyways, so I wont miss him.

If we get Alistair v.2 I'll be mad.

Oh we will. There's always one.

[Saibh]

Spear-Thrower wrote...

Saibh wrote...
EDIT: Wait, wait, wait, is that supposed to be sarcasm? Even if it is, again, it's hard to identify that Wu is a playable protagonist and not a follower.

Are you talking to me or TeenZombie? No matter.

Sarcasm is possible, but I'm sure a dev mentioned the female cover to explain reduced sales. He might not have been entirely serious though.

Being a protagonist or a follower shouldn't make any difference. Box art is a 'first impression' kinda deal.

I was referring to TeenZombie, sorry... In any case, TeenZombie is saying--it seems to me--that the projection of a female protagonist on a cover is what reduced sales, and my point being I didn't even know that was a playable character, and not...oh, crap, what's his name...the guy on the cover's romance interest (a la Dawn Star).

Regardless, I also mentioned KOTOR, which blatantly shows Bastila on the cover and can be construed to be the actual protagonist if you don't know any better, both Mass Effect games: one has Ashley, one has Miranda, and DA has Morrigan as the only character you can see with a face. These four games are the best BioWare has in terms of sales, all of which blatantly feature a female.

As for not having a femHawke on the cover? I think it's sort of confusing to have both versions of a protagonist on the cover, especially if they have a default face, as Shepard does. I believe ME2 has femShep on the back talking to Wrex, however.

Modifié par Saibh, 16 juillet 2010 - 09:49 .

[ToJKa1]

Lord Gremlin wrote...
2) If you stare at hero's ass in third person mode for 60 hours it better be a female ass. If you've played Dead Space you know what I mean...

Especially if it's in a form-fitting shiny suit (such as the Chinese Stealth Armor in Fallout 3 with certain mods ). In Dead Space i stared at his lifebar, though. Those tough-to-kill undead aliens were everywhere

[TMZuk]

Arliea wrote...

And you all thought I was going to put Alistair not coming back...

But seriously... are any other females on here worried about not enjoying playing a 'male' character?  Or should I say not having the option of following a story that is female based?  (I'm guessing we *have* to play this Hawke guy).

I certainly am.  One thing that got me the most hooked was being a female, having my 'female-ness' reflected in what was said to me... made it seem like *I* was in fact the character.

Anyone else?

ETA: Apparently I can be a female... cancel that

In fact I am very worried the game will be just like ME and ME2, in the sense that even if your character was female, the whole story was so obviously made for a male character. In ME2, the female protagonist even used the same animations as the male, which looked awful, especially at the one opportunity she had to wear a dress.

With the whole game so centered around this Hawke character, and Hawke so obviously a male warrior, I fear our customizations will only have the most superficial effect. I hope I am wrong, but well... there are so many things about DA2 I already dislike, that this will more likely be the last drop, than the first, if in fact I am right.

Modifié par TMZuk, 16 juillet 2010 - 10:20 .

[Dick Delaware]

Addai67 wrote...

Even though the OP had false information, I do feel like I'll be forced to play a male PC.  The reason being that in a more third-person, detached story, it seems more authentic to medieval theme to have a male hero.  In Origins it felt natural to play a female PC, probably because I could self-identify with my PCs.  That's one thing I loved about it.

Second reason is that I have a low tolerance for female VO's.  FemShepard drove me to distraction and the only female VO I could stand over long exposure in Origins was Morrigan's.  Leliana and Wynne, after my first pt or so, were like nails on a chalkboard.  I got the farthest in Mass Effect on a male Shepard, and haven't yet been able to bring myself to play Leliana's Song.  I've heard from other posters that I'm not the only woman who has trouble with female VOs in games.  I can only imagine that hearing a female VA deliver romance and tough-girl lines is going to make me cringe.

Why do you have trouble with female VO's? 

Gosh, I hope I don't come off as sexist here, but I think it's probably harder for a woman to pull off tough-girl lines. Partially because women usually don't exhibit that kind of direct aggression, and partially because, as a male, I have never once felt physically threatened by a female. Hearing a 5'2'' girl try to threaten me in her little Minnie Mouse voice, well, it's more funny than intimidating.

Don't get me wrong, there are some tough women out there who can handle themselves, and we've even seen convincing female action heroes (Ellen Ripley) but I think it is definitely harder for a woman to pull off a strong, battle-hardened woman convincingly.

[Dick Delaware]

TMZuk wrote...
In fact I am very worried the game will be just like ME and ME2, in the sense that even if your character was female, the whole story was so obviously made for a male character. In ME2, the female protagonist even used the same animations as the male, which looked awful, especially at the one opportunity she had to wear a dress.

With the whole game so centered around this Hawke character, and Hawke so obviously a male warrior, I fear our customizations will only have the most superficial effect. I hope I am wrong, but well... there are so many things about DA2 I already dislike, that this will more likely be the last drop, than the first, if in fact I am right.

How so? There's nothing in the story that makes it inherently male or female, to my knowledge.

It's not like say, Planescape: Torment, which was clearly the story of one particular man's search for his identity. You really couldn't just put in a female character and call it a day for that game. It really needed a set character.

Dragon Age and Mass Effect are pretty similar regardless if you're male or female, Mass Effect in particular. Honestly, being able to choose gender and customize my appearance aren't really as big a deal to me because it's pretty limited and shallow to confine role-playing to just that. It's more important to have a well thought-out character system that allows you to do many different things and have a PC with unique abilities (i.e. one guy might be sneaky, another one might be very persuasive, yet another one might be great at combat).

Sure, I enjoy playing as a male and I like getting specific dialogue options based on that, but it's only really one part of it. There are some awesome games with set female protagonists, like The Longest Journey. Though no RPG's to my knowledge.

Modifié par Dick Delaware, 16 juillet 2010 - 10:35 .

[GODzilla]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Hawke can be female.

I think Hawke can be female, but you're also right.

[Saibh]

Dick Delaware wrote...

TMZuk wrote...
In fact I am very worried the game will be just like ME and ME2, in the sense that even if your character was female, the whole story was so obviously made for a male character. In ME2, the female protagonist even used the same animations as the male, which looked awful, especially at the one opportunity she had to wear a dress.

With the whole game so centered around this Hawke character, and Hawke so obviously a male warrior, I fear our customizations will only have the most superficial effect. I hope I am wrong, but well... there are so many things about DA2 I already dislike, that this will more likely be the last drop, than the first, if in fact I am right.

How so? There's nothing in the story that makes it inherently male or female, to my knowledge.

It's not like say, Planescape: Torment, which was clearly the story of one particular man's search for his identity. You really couldn't just put in a female skin and call it a day for that game.

It's...just sort of a vibe I get from playing both sides. MaleShep has all of these side, sort-of love interests, and all of them are female. FemShep may get to sleep with the Consort, or be hit on by Shiala and Kelly, but it feels more like male fanservice than anything else. Gianni is pure-male Shep. Not to mention how there's almost no mention that FemShep exists outside of the game. There's nothing there just for girls, for the most part--no one acknowledges that Shepard is female in anything other than romances or pronouns. Well, except that one guy in Flux and the recruiter for Garrus' recruit mission.

Like I said, it's an overall vibe from me, and hard to put down. Whereas there are plenty of open acknowledgements of the Warden's gender all over the place.

EDIT: To add to that, it's clear that animations are done for men, and not women, since many of them--particularly when Shepard looks down or the camera looks up, they look very awkward on her smaller jaw and face. I remember when I first played as a guy after playing FemShep I was startled to see that the previously awkward looking animations, were, in fact, completely normal looking and much more natural/powerful on a male.

Modifié par Saibh, 16 juillet 2010 - 10:41 .

[tybbiesniffer]

Addai67 wrote...

Leliana and Wynne, after my first pt or so, were like nails on a chalkboard. 

I'm not generally bothered by female VO's myself but I could not stand Leliana's voice.  To be fair, though, there is NOTHING I like about Leliana so my reaction to the voice could simpy be a reaction to the character.  I keep playing rogues just so I don't have to drag her around with me.

If the female Hawke sounds anything like that, I will happily play a male character....with a beard.

[LiquidGrape]

Dick Delaware wrote...

[...] Partially because women usually don't exhibit that kind of direct aggression, and partially because, as a male, I have never once felt physically threatened by a female.

What breed of women have you encountered? To paraquote Henry Rollins:

"There is nothing quite as frightening as a female anything when they choose to assume that mindset.
Just take the completely different attitude to violence between the sexes.

Male violence is basically the prelude to lifelong friendship.
Female violence will likely end up in one party leaving the blood-smeared scene with the other woman's ovaries swinging."

[Addai]

tybbiesniffer wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Leliana and Wynne, after my first pt or so, were like nails on a chalkboard. 

I'm not generally bothered by female VO's myself but I could not stand Leliana's voice.  To be fair, though, there is NOTHING I like about Leliana so my reaction to the voice could simpy be a reaction to the character.  I keep playing rogues just so I don't have to drag her around with me.

If the female Hawke sounds anything like that, I will happily play a male character....with a beard.

Lelihater-fistbump.   

It's not just Leliana's voice for me either, or Wynne's, but not liking femShep's voice meant I felt cornered into playing a male Shepard, which made me feel more distant from my character, adding to why the game disappointed overall.  And I probably would play Leliana's Song but for the sheer pain of listening to Leliana and Marjolaine talk.

I also suspect I would not be able to play a DA romance with another woman's voice delivering the romance lines.    Besides the fact that there is so much room for error in the delivery of such lines, it squicks me out somehow.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 juillet 2010 - 10:54 .

[Saibh]

Addai67 wrote...

tybbiesniffer wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Leliana and Wynne, after my first pt or so, were like nails on a chalkboard. 

I'm not generally bothered by female VO's myself but I could not stand Leliana's voice.  To be fair, though, there is NOTHING I like about Leliana so my reaction to the voice could simpy be a reaction to the character.  I keep playing rogues just so I don't have to drag her around with me.

If the female Hawke sounds anything like that, I will happily play a male character....with a beard.

Lelihater-fistbump.   

It's not just Leliana's voice for me either, or Wynne's, but not liking femShep's voice meant I felt cornered into playing a male Shepard, which made me feel more distant from my character, adding to why the game disappointed overall.  And I probably would play Leliana's Song but for the sheer pain of listening to Leliana and Marjolaine talk.

I also suspect I would not be able to play a DA romance with another woman's voice delivering the romance lines.    Besides the fact that there is so much room for error in the delivery of such lines, it squicks me out somehow.

Really? Most people feel that Jennifer Hale's voice acting was excellent, whereas Mark Meer's left much to be desired. I prefer Hale's voice acting--she sounds tough, authorative, and delivers her lines with excellence. Meer's voice is wooden and cliched.

I adored Alistair's romance, but I don't mind my character having a voice that speaks these lines. I can't immerse myself so deeply that I believe that person is honest-to-God me--I can believe that I'm in absolute control of the character, they do what I want, and have a strong attachment to them and their relationships, but they're a character I am playing, not me that I am playing. If that makes sense.

[Addai]

Saibh wrote...
Really? Most people feel that Jennifer Hale's voice acting was excellent, whereas Mark Meer's left much to be desired. I prefer Hale's voice acting--she sounds tough, authorative, and delivers her lines with excellence. Meer's voice is wooden and cliched.

I hated the butch persona her delivery forced me into.  She sounds wooden to me, too.  It sounds like with the DA2 system, they are going to try to offer different inflections based on the icon you choose, but still, the delivery will be the VA's and not your own.

I adored Alistair's romance, but I don't mind my character having a voice that speaks these lines. I can't immerse myself so deeply that I believe that person is honest-to-God me--I can believe that I'm in absolute control of the character, they do what I want, and have a strong attachment to them and their relationships, but they're a character I am playing, not me that I am playing. If that makes sense.

I don't think my PCs are me either.  Really, I don't need therapy.    However, I can self-identify enough that there is little dissonance in immersion.  It's the difference between telling a story from a 1st person perspective, where you really can get an inside feeling for a character's voice, versus telling it at more of a remove.  Comparing it to when I played a male PC in DAO, I enjoyed Morrigan's romance and found it interesting, but didn't find it nearly as absorbing as Alistair's or Zevran's.  I was identifying with Morrigan, not my PC.  Having some voice actor deliver the lines... eww... I don't know, it's hard to explain.